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UA 777 At SJC?

Tue Dec 19, 2006 3:42 am

Driving to work today I thought I saw a UA777 about 6th plane back waiting for take off. Could be wrong as its kind of hard to drive by on the Freeway and watch the runway. But I also notice a B777 listed today flight 938 at 3:55 for ORD. Is this a weather related / repositioning type of deal?
 
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RE: UA 777 At SJC?

Tue Dec 19, 2006 3:47 am

The largest UA a/c out of SJC this morning was a 757 - ORD:

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RE: UA 777 At SJC?

Tue Dec 19, 2006 3:58 am

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 1):
The largest UA a/c out of SJC this morning was a 757 - ORD:


Thanks, probably just wishful thinking on my part. The 757 was probably closer to the Highway than I thought. It sure looked a lot bigger than the 737's and A319 lined up. STill not sure of the 3:55 flight though.
 
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RE: UA 777 At SJC?

Tue Dec 19, 2006 4:04 am

Quoting SJCRRPAX (Thread starter):
Driving to work today I thought I saw a UA777

Maybe they're giving the SJC-NRT route a try...hehe. Big grin

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RE: UA 777 At SJC?

Tue Dec 19, 2006 5:33 am

Is SJC big enough to accomodate a 777?! Wow, imagine the vectoring and spacing in/out of the airspace to make room for that guy!

(I suppose anything is possible considering AA flew MD-11s on their NRT route)


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RE: UA 777 At SJC?

Tue Dec 19, 2006 5:34 am

AA also flew the 777 on the route.

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RE: UA 777 At SJC?

Tue Dec 19, 2006 10:31 pm

Quoting 777fan (Reply 4):
Is SJC big enough to accomodate a 777?

It's more than big enough. SJC's runways are 11000 ft long. There are two problems with UA sending a 777 to SJC:

1. They don't have the correct baggage/cargo unloaders there. Ground crew training might also be an issue.

2. Their ramp space is small, although one of their gates might be big enough.
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RE: UA 777 At SJC?

Wed Dec 20, 2006 12:26 am

Quoting Birdbrainz (Reply 6):
It's more than big enough. SJC's runways are 11000 ft long. There are two problems with UA sending a 777 to SJC:

1. They don't have the correct baggage/cargo unloaders there. Ground crew training might also be an issue.

2. Their ramp space is small, although one of their gates might be big enough.

Ah yes, thanks for the refresher. I've only flown into/out of SJC once and that was at least ten years ago. I remember the terminal being quite cramped. I must've been thinking of SNA's runway.

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RE: UA 777 At SJC?

Wed Dec 20, 2006 1:35 am

Quoting Birdbrainz (Reply 6):
It's more than big enough



Quoting Birdbrainz (Reply 6):
Their ramp space is small

You just contradicted yourself: When 777fan said SJC was too small for a 777, I think that includes all aspects of the airport and not just the runways. SBA has seen a 747 land on its 6000 ft runway; that does NOT mean SBA can handle an a/c as large as the 747.
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RE: UA 777 At SJC?

Wed Dec 20, 2006 2:10 am

SJC has handled multiple AA 777 services in the past on a scheduled basis.

The previous poster was indicating that UA's ramp space may be insufficient for United to handle a 777 service.

Such a statement doesn't speak to the airport's capabilities, but United's.

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RE: UA 777 At SJC?

Wed Dec 20, 2006 4:08 am

UAL uses terminal C at SJC which has no walkway jetties. Passengers must still board and disembark via stairs at terminal C. The newer terminal A has jetties but is not used UAL. I don't believe termical C has the capacity for a 777. Just my opinion.
 
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RE: UA 777 At SJC?

Wed Dec 20, 2006 10:40 pm

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 8):
You just contradicted yourself: When 777fan said SJC was too small for a 777, I think that includes all aspects of the airport and not just the runways. SBA has seen a 747 land on its 6000 ft runway; that does NOT mean SBA can handle an a/c as large as the 747.

I apologize for what seems like a contradiction, but when the original post was speaking about vectoring and spacing, the reference was clearly in regards to the airport's capabilities, not the ramp space. As Gigneil said, SJC is easily able to handle it, but UA's terminal and ground handling equipment can't.

Btw, isn't SBA an alternate to LAX for certain flights?
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RE: UA 777 At SJC?

Thu Dec 21, 2006 2:44 am

Quoting 777fan (Reply 4):
Is SJC big enough to accomodate a 777?! Wow, imagine the vectoring and spacing in/out of the airspace to make room for that guy!

Yes, AA uses a 777 on the SJC-NRT route...
 
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RE: UA 777 At SJC?

Thu Dec 21, 2006 3:26 am

Quoting ArcrftLvr (Reply 12):
Yes, AA uses a 777 on the SJC-NRT route...

AA used a 777 on the SJC-NRT route... past tense.
 
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RE: UA 777 At SJC?

Thu Dec 21, 2006 3:38 am

Quoting ArcrftLvr (Reply 12):
Yes, AA uses a 777 on the SJC-NRT route...



Quoting Legacyins (Reply 13):
AA used a 777 on the SJC-NRT route... past tense.

That's what I thought. I remember seeing the venerable MD-11 while at SJC (ten years or so ago); it looked really out of place at an airport that size. The attempt to cater to the techie crowd was a valiant one but I'm guessing that most simply opted to head over to SFO...actually, maybe they just made a conference call or VTC.


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RE: UA 777 At SJC?

Thu Dec 21, 2006 5:21 am

Good thing my RR rating is zero, otherwise it would probably have gone down for thinking I might have seen a UA777 at SJC. Chalk it up to an optical illusion, coupled with hopefullness.  embarrassed 

But if you are interested you can see a AA777 parked at SJC from Google Earth (provided they have not updated the satellite photo). You'll also notice a parking area which could accomadate a couple of more between Terminal C and A. If you don't have google earth its a cool program thats free and you can see airports just by typing in the airport code for destination (It's really a must for a-net nuts.)
 
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RE: UA 777 At SJC?

Thu Dec 21, 2006 6:44 am

Quoting 777fan (Reply 7):
Ah yes, thanks for the refresher. I've only flown into/out of SJC once and that was at least ten years ago.

I flew into SJC less than 2 hours ago.... Smile

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 9):
SJC has handled multiple AA 777 services in the past on a scheduled basis.

SJC-NRT, SJC-TPE were two routes flown..IIRC..SJC-CDG was with a 777 (70% sure only, so but don't quote me on that, as it could have been a 767)
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RE: UA 777 At SJC?

Thu Dec 21, 2006 7:21 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 16):
SJC-CDG was with a 777 (70% sure only, so but don't quote me on that, as it could have been a 767)

It was with a 767-300
 
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RE: UA 777 At SJC?

Thu Dec 21, 2006 8:22 am

Quoting Legacyins (Reply 17):
It was with a 767-300

Thanks for the clarification.. checkmark ....looks like the other 30% wins out.. Smile
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RE: UA 777 At SJC?

Thu Dec 21, 2006 12:39 pm

Quoting ArcrftLvr (Reply 12):
Yes, AA uses a 777 on the SJC-NRT route...

AA used a 777 on the route daily from the late 1990s until this past fall. The route was discontinued in October of this year.
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RE: UA 777 At SJC?

Thu Dec 21, 2006 1:20 pm

UA used to fly DC-10's into SJC. I flew on the 10's from SJC-HNL and HNL-SJC back in September 1980.
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RE: UA 777 At SJC?

Thu Dec 21, 2006 1:42 pm

Quoting AirlineBrat (Reply 20):
UA used to fly DC-10's into SJC. I flew on the 10's from SJC-HNL and HNL-SJC back in September 1980.

Wow - that's old school. I didn't even know they operated that route at any point. You would think they would've been content with SFO-HNL; I guess they needed to appeal to those that didn't feel like crossing the bridge to fly out of SFO.


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RE: UA 777 At SJC?

Fri Dec 22, 2006 1:50 am

Quoting 777fan (Reply 21):
Wow - that's old school. I didn't even know they operated that route at any point. You would think they would've been content with SFO-HNL; I guess they needed to appeal to those that didn't feel like crossing the bridge to fly out of SFO.

You don't need to cross a bridge to get to SFO. It appeals to the people that don't won't to drive an additional 45 min - 60 min or longer to get to SFO. For example, I can ask my wife to drop me off at SJC, but if I ask her to drop me off as SFO she'll ask me to drop dead. HA has a daily 767 service to Hawaii from SJC. I flew American to OGG a while back, but AA dropped a lot of flights since the "hub" idea at SJC never worked out. I blame it on WN, it was hard for AA to compete. They should rename the place from Norm Mineta San Jose International to Southwest San Jose Domestic Airport.
 
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RE: UA 777 At SJC?

Fri Dec 22, 2006 2:06 am

Quoting SJCRRPAX (Reply 22):
They should rename the place from Norm Mineta San Jose International to Southwest San Jose Domestic Airport.

..While I agree SJC has a 4:1 lead over AA/AE @ SJC....AA/AE is still the 2nd largest carrier there...and at least AA management believe that SJC has "stabilised"...

SJC is the "child that could've been" with AA...AA always try to do something with it but besides the "dot.com" days, the critical mass has never been there....such a shame, as its 50x more convenient than SFO....not to mention, there are almost never any delays (unlike SFO today)...
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RE: UA 777 At SJC?

Fri Dec 22, 2006 5:40 am

Quoting SJCRRPAX (Reply 22):
They should rename the place from Norm Mineta San Jose International to Southwest San Jose Domestic Airport.

I always liked SJC, except for the world's most claustrophobic terminal (Terminal A). Terminal C was sweet, and got the job done with minimal fuss.

I argued with my dad (A UA 727 captain who flew out of SJC a lot) about SJC. He said SJC was too surrounded by development, and would never amount to much. He compared it to "La Garbage" (LGA).

Damn, I hate it when he's right.  cry 

PS. I know extremely little about LGA, and don't have an opinion about it.
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RE: UA 777 At SJC?

Fri Dec 22, 2006 6:45 am

Quoting Birdbrainz (Reply 24):
He said SJC was too surrounded by development, and would never amount to much.

During the "dot.com" days, SJC did have quite a daily flight schdule...at least MX comes here..and from what SJC management have said, they are close to getting carrier(s) to fly over the Pacific and Atlantic out of SJC.....
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RE: UA 777 At SJC?

Fri Dec 22, 2006 9:03 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 25):
During the "dot.com" days, SJC did have quite a daily flight schdule...at least MX comes here..and from what SJC management have said, they are close to getting carrier(s) to fly over the Pacific and Atlantic out of SJC.....

That would be super! Back when I lived out there, I preferred SJC big time, though SFO's new int'l terminal is sweet. I still fly into SJC when I visit the "Silly Valley".

Now that I'm in GSO, all I care about is guessing correctly which carrier is the least screwed up that day getting me in and out of their east coast hub.
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RE: UA 777 At SJC?

Fri Dec 22, 2006 9:56 am

Quoting Birdbrainz (Reply 26):
That would be super! Back when I lived out there, I preferred SJC big time, though SFO's new int'l terminal is sweet. I still fly into SJC when I visit the "Silly Valley".

Now that I'm in GSO, all I care about is guessing correctly which carrier is the least screwed up that day getting me in and out of their east coast hub.

Yah..I am "cautiously optimistic" about some trans-aqua flights... Smile

SJC is 50x times easier to deal with than SJC....especially now that I only live 10-15 minutes away from it... Smile
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RE: UA 777 At SJC?

Fri Dec 22, 2006 11:57 am

Quoting SJCRRPAX (Reply 22):
You don't need to cross a bridge to get to SFO.

I know that but the alternative (navigating down and then over to the 101) is crazy. No doubt, SJC is a convenient alternative to some destinations, but not all. HA offers a great product but that doesn't help me when I constantly fly UA to accrue FF miles in the hopes of cashing in a ticket to Europe or Asia at some point.

Again, my only experience at SJC involved flying AA home to ORD (I lived down near Monterey at the time). A flight out of MRY was out of the question; most flights were sold out and those that remained were too expensive to justify not making the drive. Each airport (SFO and SJC) was essentially equidistant and but AA's fares were slightly cheaper (and I wanted to try out a MadDog); I chose SJC for some variety and found it to be fine, but unremarkable. I liked the turn to final when approaching from the south. Nowadays, I find SFO to be much nicer as I regularly fly UA. It's bigger, has better amenities (again, in the UA terminal) and offers unparalleled spotting opportunties. Oh yeah, the approach is still one of the best around.

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RE: UA 777 At SJC?

Fri Dec 22, 2006 12:02 pm

Quoting 777fan (Reply 28):

I know that but the alternative (navigating down and then over to the 101) is crazy.

I prefer the 280.... Wink
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RE: UA 777 At SJC?

Fri Dec 22, 2006 12:12 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 29):
I prefer the 280....

I would just bridge it if I had to. Then again, I'd rather live on the SF side of the Bay to begin with.


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RE: UA 777 At SJC?

Fri Dec 22, 2006 12:17 pm

Quoting 777fan (Reply 30):
I would just bridge it if I had to. Then again, I'd rather live on the SF side of the Bay to begin with.

Actually I only live 10-15 minutes away from SJC anyway..no bridges for me.. Smile

That being said, when I lived in SFO and flew out of SJC, I would take the 101 also..

..and I agree..its better to live on the SF side of the Bay
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RE: UA 777 At SJC?

Fri Dec 22, 2006 2:52 pm

Quoting 777fan (Reply 28):
I know that but the alternative (navigating down and then over to the 101) is crazy.

777fan, I think you're confusing SJC with OAK. The most direct route from OAK to SFO would involve crossing a bridge, but from SJC to SFO it's just up the peninsula on the 101.

Having lived for a while in MRY myself, SJC is quite a bit closer to MRY than SFO/OAK, a good 30 to 45 minutes closer driving. If I couldn't get a decent fare out of MRY, my next choice was SJC.
 
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RE: UA 777 At SJC?

Fri Dec 22, 2006 3:03 pm

Quoting Hawaiian717 (Reply 32):
777fan, I think you're confusing SJC with OAK. The most direct route from OAK to SFO would involve crossing a bridge, but from SJC to SFO it's just up the peninsula on the 101.

In this case, I was talking about driving from the east bay (~Hayward) over to SFO without transitting any of the bridges. In that case, it'd be a pain in the arss to make the trip to SFO, hence SJC (or OAK) is by far the better option.

Quoting Hawaiian717 (Reply 32):
Having lived for a while in MRY myself, SJC is quite a bit closer to MRY than SFO/OAK, a good 30 to 45 minutes closer driving. If I couldn't get a decent fare out of MRY, my next choice was SJC.

Man, I miss MRY; what a great little airport (with an awesome rooftop bar). Yes, SJC is quite a bit closer, but when you're already counting at least an hour's drive, it doesn't really matter - what's another half hour to SFO? Funny, there were actually instances in which it was cheaper to fly MRY-SFO-ORD than it was SFO-ORD; gotta love airline fare structures!


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RE: UA 777 At SJC?

Fri Dec 22, 2006 3:55 pm

I much preferred to fly MRY-SFO and then connect to wherever I was going than drive it. Time-wise it's pretty much a wash, and there were times I probably would have gotten home sooner driving it than waiting for my weather-delayed Brasilia. But MRY is just so much easier to deal with; I could leave my apartment an hour before the flight and still end up sitting in the gate area waiting to board. Big airports are good for spotting, small airports are better for flying.

I was also able to get some good fares out of MRY. More than once I got a great fare (under $400 round trip IIRC) MRY-LAX-HNL with an American bulk fare from Panda Travel.
 
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RE: UA 777 At SJC?

Fri Dec 22, 2006 4:48 pm

Quoting Hawaiian717 (Reply 34):
I much preferred to fly MRY-SFO and then connect to wherever I was going than drive it. Time-wise it's pretty much a wash, and there were times I probably would have gotten home sooner driving it than waiting for my weather-delayed Brasilia. But MRY is just so much easier to deal with; I could leave my apartment an hour before the flight and still end up sitting in the gate area waiting to board. Big airports are good for spotting, small airports are better for flying.

I think I ended up splitting my outbound flights between MRY and SFO, simply because I began flying UA on a regular basis. I despised the EMB-120 (come on SkyWest, get with it!) and was almost always flying eastbound (to ORD), that I prefered to grab the 757/737/A320 flight out first thing in the morning. Unfortunately, most everyone seemed to prefer that flight as it was almost always filled to capacity. Departing MRY on a 757 was always a blast (literally); I think you end up leveling out at about FL120 before beginning to descend for approach into SFO.

The puddle jumpers were frequently tossed around by the gusty winds over Monterey Bay and it seemed to only get worse while attempting to lineup for final into San Francisco as the combo of wind and wake turbulence from any number of heavies often made for some dicey approaches. At any rate, I agree that the extra $$$ to fly out of MRY was worth it if for no other reason than its convenience. SJC was usually pretty cheap but the combo of traffic and/or fog near Gilroy, Salinas, etc. made it dangerous at times.

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