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NZ Purchases Four More Boeing 787-9 A/C

Tue Dec 19, 2006 2:19 pm

Air New Zealand Purchases Four More Boeing 787-9 Aircraft

Air New Zealand has confirmed the purchase of an additional four Boeing 787-9 aircraft to meet its growth plans over the next decade.

General Manager Strategic Development Nathan Agnew says that with this order Air New Zealand has now confirmed the purchase of a total of eight 787-9 aircraft and has secured options over eight further production slots giving the airline access to sixteen of these new generation aircraft over the coming decade.

Following on from the launch of the new Auckland – Shanghai service in November and the second daily service from Auckland to London over Hong Kong, Mr Agnew said that Air New Zealand is committed to a growth strategy and today’s announcement ensures that Air New Zealand will be equipped with the latest and most fuel efficient aircraft of their type to pursue further growth.

Air New Zealand is the launch customer for Boeing’s 787-9 aircraft, with the first aircraft due to be introduced into service in 2011 and the last of the eight aircraft purchased to date being delivered in 2013. As the launch customer Air New Zealand is working closely with the Boeing design team on the specification and development of the 787-9.

Mr Agnew says the four additional 787-9s have a list price of around NZ$1 billion but the airline achieved a significant discount on this when it was one of the first airlines in the world to commit to the 787 programme.

“These new aircraft will provide Air New Zealand with a solid platform to realise its growth ambitions over the next decade. Given their capability to fly direct to regions like South Africa, India, South America, Asia and deep into China and North America, we will have some exciting new opportunities to pursue,” Mr Agnew says.

“Over the past year a tremendous amount of analysis and research has been underway to identify those markets that offer Air New Zealand significant potential for growth during the next ten years. This has highlighted some really interesting opportunities and we are really excited about the prospect of being able to further boost tourism and trade between New Zealand and new destinations.”

Mr Agnew says Air New Zealand is committed to launching at least one new international route every year and it expects to announce a new addition to its network within the next few months.

“We are confident New Zealand travellers and businesses will be excited about the new destination, which we aim to have operating before the end of 2007.”

Mr Agnew says an important benefit of the 787-9 is its fuel efficiency, with a 20 percent reduction in fuel consumption when compared with similar aircraft flying today.
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Tue Dec 19, 2006 2:33 pm

The following is a link to the filing with the ASX. You will need to open the PDF for full details

http://www.asx.com.au/asx/statistics...eSearchType=D&releasedDuringCode=W

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Tue Dec 19, 2006 2:33 pm

Its excellent that NZ is expanding its fleet further. I was expecting this B789 order announcement last week, but its worth waiting.
 
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Tue Dec 19, 2006 2:36 pm

Was this order a previously identified order on Boeing's website as a UFO?

Good news for NZ, Boeing, and the 787 program.
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Tue Dec 19, 2006 2:46 pm

Any bids on the new route to start before the end of 2007?

My bets are on another North American destination... perhaps Vancouver.
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Tue Dec 19, 2006 2:49 pm

So that's done for now, so when's the 777-300ER order?
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Tue Dec 19, 2006 2:55 pm

As I've written before, I think the 787-9 order is ill-thought out, because it is too similar in size and mission to the 777-200ER which the airline already has.

The smaller 787-8 would, as Qantas knows, be useful for carrying 230-250 passengers point to point between every major Australian city plus AKL and CHC and SFO/LAX/YVR/ORD.

But the 787-9's greater capacity makes it too big for those routes, and instead it will be wasted on long, thin routes at low frequencies from AKL to Bombay, Beijing and Buenos Aires.
 
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Tue Dec 19, 2006 3:00 pm

EIS 2011? This is a press release, so I can't say the reporter got it wrong. So does this mean the 787-9 has slipped a few months? I wonder if it has to do with the late changes to the model as of last November?
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Tue Dec 19, 2006 3:18 pm

Four more frames for RR. The difference between them and GE is now less than the imminent Qantas order...

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Tue Dec 19, 2006 3:29 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 7):
EIS 2011? This is a press release, so I can't say the reporter got it wrong. So does this mean the 787-9 has slipped a few months? I wonder if it has to do with the late changes to the model as of last November?

Might simply be a matter of NZ not having the very first delivery slots. IIRC, SQ is still targeting a 2010 EIS of the 787-9.
 
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Tue Dec 19, 2006 3:59 pm

Quoting Koruman (Reply 6):
As I've written before, I think the 787-9 order is ill-thought out, because it is too similar in size and mission to the 777-200ER which the airline already has.

dont forget that only 4 of the -200s are owned - the others are only leased .

The 787-9s are a bit smaller - once they start looking at 787-10s then I think you can say that the 777-200ERs days are numbered - but even if the -10 were launched tomorrow I couldn't see delivery before about 2015 which would give the 777-200ERs another 9 years or so of service.

I think you also need to bear in mind that the 787s will run rings around 'old' aircraft like the 777 and 747 in terms of passenger comfort , in view of the sort of stage lengths NZ have this is an important consideration - I , for one , really look forward to coming off a long sector not feeling like I have been put through a dehydrator .
 
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Tue Dec 19, 2006 4:21 pm

Quoting Koruman (Reply 6):
s I've written before, I think the 787-9 order is ill-thought out, because it is too similar in size and mission to the 777-200ER which the airline already has. The smaller 787-8 would, as Qantas knows, be useful for carrying 230-250 passengers point to point between every major Australian city plus AKL and CHC and SFO/LAX/YVR/ORD. But the 787-9's greater capacity makes it too big for those routes,

It's a good indication that NZ has no intention of improving its Tasman services that is going to continue to undermine its whole network. As NZ looks away from the Tasman, the Australian airlines and EK are giving the Tasman the respect that it deserves - not because of itself, but for what it contributes to the rest of their networks.
 
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Tue Dec 19, 2006 4:27 pm

Great news for NZ. My bets on the 789 would be BOM, YVR and EZE (Once ETOPS 330 comes in.)
 
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Tue Dec 19, 2006 4:41 pm

Quoting Antskip (Reply 11):
It's a good indication that NZ has no intention of improving its Tasman services

News is, expect an announcement around March

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 9):
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 7):
EIS 2011? This is a press release, so I can't say the reporter got it wrong. So does this mean the 787-9 has slipped a few months? I wonder if it has to do with the late changes to the model as of last November?


Might simply be a matter of NZ not having the very first delivery slots. IIRC, SQ is still targeting a 2010 EIS of the 787-9.

NZ is confirmed as first delivery of B789. Remember that QF and JQ also have B789s on order and will receive their first B789s after NZs first delivery. This EIS for this B789 options order would reflect that
 
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Tue Dec 19, 2006 4:58 pm

Quoting Koruman (Reply 6):
As I've written before, I think the 787-9 order is ill-thought out, because it is too similar in size and mission to the 777-200ER which the airline already has.

Another ill thought out comment from Koruman.

Quoting Koruman (Reply 6):
But the 787-9's greater capacity makes it too big for those routes, and instead it will be wasted on long, thin routes at low frequencies from AKL to Bombay, Beijing and Buenos Aires.

So to service cities like BOM do you fly over SIN? or over supply with a 773 or 744 or A340??? Wait there is another choice.... 789! Right capacity right range! works well with me

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 12):
Great news for NZ. My bets on the 789 would be BOM, YVR and EZE (Once ETOPS 330 comes in.)

Hmmm BOM is a Yes from what I understand.. this can always change, YVR I would like, lets hope it's before AC come direct to AKL. EZE, well I like the idea it's been confirmed as a place they are "looking" at but I'm not sure if it will work.

Quoting Antskip (Reply 11):
It's a good indication that NZ has no intention of improving its Tasman services that is going to continue to undermine its whole network

Incorrect. Wait and see around March/April.

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Tue Dec 19, 2006 5:17 pm

Quoting TG992 (Reply 14):
Hmmm BOM is a Yes from what I understand.. this can always change, YVR I would like, lets hope it's before AC come direct to AKL. EZE, well I like the idea it's been confirmed as a place they are "looking" at but I'm not sure if it will work.

Great about BOM! I can't wait to use that service. It is a shame though that BD cut BOM flights so I can't have a stopover on the way to LHR in India without utilising horrid LH.

To be honest, I see YVR starting thrice weekly as next years, "un-announced" route. How long would it take the 772ER to do AKL-YVR?
 
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Tue Dec 19, 2006 5:34 pm

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 15):
To be honest, I see YVR starting thrice weekly as next years, "un-announced" route. How long would it take the 772ER to do AKL-YVR?

I Don't expect it till 2008-2010 along with India and the 787's.

Next year will be PVG-XXX (within Europe). Wait and see this also works in with Rob's comment. "We are focusing on North Asia right now".
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Tue Dec 19, 2006 5:45 pm

Next year is already down to just two choices: it's either Shanghai-Manchester or Shanghai-Frankfurt. I couldn't predict which will win, but I understand that both British Midland and Shanghai Airlines have been invited to codeshare on a potential Shanghai to Manchester flight.

As I've said before, for freight purposes (not just passengers) I would like to see a Nadi-Auckland-Mumbai flight rather than just AKL-BOM.

I love Fyfe's attachment to North Asia in spite of all evidence to the contrary.

In the last six years the airline has had by my reckoning six North Asian destinations: Tokyo (just narrowly in the black), Osaka (failing), Fukuoka (failed), Nagoya (failed), Taipei (failed), Hong Kong (failed until extended to London) and Shanghai (too new to judge).

1 success out of 6, and with even four "developed, affluent" destinations failing. And we expect a developing China with much lower GDP per capita and much lower executive salaries and perks to succeed where sophisticated, affluent markets like Japan, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Singapore have failed.

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Tue Dec 19, 2006 5:58 pm

Quoting Aerohottie (Reply 4):
My bets are on another North American destination... perhaps Vancouver.

My pick also. I wouldn't be surprised if it is AKL-NAN-YVR because of range issues... rather than via LAX, SFO or HNL

If it is Europe, maybe AKL-PVG-MUC or AKL-PVG-FRA
 
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Tue Dec 19, 2006 6:05 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 7):
EIS 2011? This is a press release, so I can't say the reporter got it wrong. So does this mean the 787-9 has slipped a few months? I wonder if it has to do with the late changes to the model as of last November?

Boeing has a late 2010 date listed on their website for the -9. That date could be the first delivery, but it doesn't say. If NZ is saying a 2011 EIS, then it is possible that either:
a. It is a typo
b. The delivery is in late December
c. NZ is going to hold off on putting it into service
 
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Tue Dec 19, 2006 6:08 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 7):
EIS 2011? This is a press release, so I can't say the reporter got it wrong. So does this mean the 787-9 has slipped a few months? I wonder if it has to do with the late changes to the model as of last November?

December 2010 was the original delivery mentioned when NZ converted their 4 x 788 orders into the 789 so if anything, it's just the wording or NZ maybe referring to EIS in January, 2011. The following is what Boeing stated about delivery when NZ converted.

PHOENIX, May 11, 2006 -- The Boeing Company [NYSE: BA] will deliver the first 787-9 Dreamliner to Air New Zealand in December 2010. ANZ converted its original order for four 787-8 airplanes to four 787-9 airplanes.

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2006/q2/060511d_pr.html

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Tue Dec 19, 2006 6:26 pm

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Tue Dec 19, 2006 7:59 pm

Well, we were certain that more 787s were coming.. Now to see the routes of them! Better be appealing!

Quoting Koruman (Reply 17):
In the last six years the airline has had by my reckoning six North Asian destinations: Tokyo (just narrowly in the black), Osaka (failing), Fukuoka (failed), Nagoya (failed), Taipei (failed), Hong Kong (failed until extended to London) and Shanghai (too new to judge).

I don't think Shanghai is doing too well presently, although things could turn around like HKG if a European destination is considered. If Shanghai doesn't turn out the numbers as they expect, what will happen with the Beijing market?
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Tue Dec 19, 2006 8:00 pm

Quoting Koruman (Reply 17):
it's either Shanghai-Manchester or Shanghai-Frankfurt

Bingo, both are coming just not sure which will be from PVG. If I had to guess now I would say FRA based on:
1. UK - NZ Traffic has just been boosted with NZ38/NZ39 Might be to soon to add the third?
2. Based on HKG- LON being a little slow any more UK new routes it might be via the US.
3. We used to carry German pax FRASINAKL so we can pick up a lot of these pax again plus cargo.
4. There has been a lot of talk about going back in FRA for a while now.

Quoting Koruman (Reply 17):
In the last six years the airline has had by my reckoning six North Asian destinations: Tokyo (just narrowly in the black), Osaka (failing), Fukuoka (failed), Nagoya (failed), Taipei (failed), Hong Kong (failed until extended to London) and Shanghai (too new to judge).

Tokyo - Doing okay
Osaka - Not so good
Fukuoka - Goooone
Nagoya - Gooone
*** All these are in one country, North Asia is more than Japan ***
Taipei - South Asia
Hong Kong - South Asia but doing well as you said
Shanghai - Pre first flight sales were better than when SFO started and loads are good!!

There is talk of BJS and also onward flights to Europe from China, this is the growth northing more. He does not have plans to fly to 15 cities in North Asia.
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Tue Dec 19, 2006 8:23 pm

Quoting Ha763 (Reply 19):
Boeing has a late 2010 date listed on their website for the -9.

This only reinforces what some of us were saying last year regarding the "upcoming" A380 delays.

When a company says "late" in the year they mean "as late as possible without going into next year." When they say fourth quarter, they mean december. When they say second half of 2010, they don't mean July 15th. There's no language translation issue about end of the year meaning October in Germany or late meaning the fall in Seattle.

Late 2010 obviously means December 2010, so obviously NZ can't put them into service until "early" 2011, being the first sample of a brand new type to their fleet (and in the world).

Now the real question is: what does "mid 2010" mean in relation to the 787-3. How late into the year can Boeing reasonably claim is "mid" and doesn't border on "fall" or worse?  Wink
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Tue Dec 19, 2006 8:45 pm

Quoting TG992 (Reply 23):
Bingo, both are coming just not sure which will be from PVG. If I had to guess now I would say FRA based on:
1. UK - NZ Traffic has just been boosted with NZ38/NZ39 Might be to soon to add the third?
2. Based on HKG- LON being a little slow any more UK new routes it might be via the US.
3. We used to carry German pax FRASINAKL so we can pick up a lot of these pax again plus cargo.
4. There has been a lot of talk about going back in FRA for a while now.

With NZ possibly having AKL-HKG twice daily, I wouldn't think they would send 2 of them to the UK.. Unless both are switched for 787 or 772 or similar. So I think AKL-HKG-FRA might be attempted. Just my guess. Would they reschedule the times? Or have the second at a similar time to those of most Asian flights? How many do they plan to lease as well?

I think the reason for the preflight sales being higher to PVG than SFO is that you can get to SFO from LAX easier on *A than you can HKG/SIN-PVG with them, plus it's a bit closer making a drive possible. That plane full of "guests" would have boosted numbers too  Smile
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Tue Dec 19, 2006 9:40 pm

I'm prety sure NZ served Seoul for a bit there too. So add that to the scrapheap if I'm correct.
 
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Tue Dec 19, 2006 9:54 pm

Quoting Aerokiwi (Reply 26):
I'm prety sure NZ served Seoul for a bit there too.

Yes they did, the route was cut in the late 90s after the Asian economic crisis. They used to serve Bangkok via Sydney as well.
 
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Tue Dec 19, 2006 10:34 pm

Building on TG992's point about whether Auckland-Shanghai is going to be extended to Manchester or Frankfurt.....

There are benefits and drawbacks to both. Lufthansa has the Star Alliance market FRA-PVG, and competing is a little, ahem, courageous. Meanwhile, Manchester was traditionally a low-yield economy market (although Fyfe seems to love them....)

Having said that, the explosion in wealth for the lucky few in the north of England apparently means that around a dozen premium passengers per day from LHR to AKL on Air New Zealand already actually originate from Manchester and Leeds in particular, and the thinking is that a 26J / 18U configuration on a 777 to Manchester can work. Moreover, Emirates carry large numbers of passengers from Manchester, Glasgow and Birmingham to NZ and Australia already too.

If you remember, current rules forbid Air NZ adding new California to London Heathrow flights, and when AKL-SFO opened in 2004 it was assumed by all of us that it would ultimately be extended to Manchester or Frankfurt. But those were the days before Fyfe and his Asian obsession, and when he moved to power he decided to add another Heathrow flight by going via Asia, which was fair enough.

But a third UK flight probably should go to Manchester, especially given the 100% growth in inbound tourists to NZ from the UK in the last 6 years.

Before anyone says "but Qantas dropped Manchester, and just serves London" let me add that:

1) That was before northern England's economic boom.
2) Qantas sees the UK as an A380 market, with a sole hub at LHR and BA connections nationwide.
3) Emirates carry very large numbers of passengers from Manchester, Glasgow and Birmingham to New Zealand and Australia each day via Dubai, and have really shown that there is a market to and from northern England.

My only issue with extending from Shanghai is that it's inefficient to operate dual hubs in PVG/HKG. It makes some sense with LAX and SFO, given that LAX is such a major tourist destination whereas SFO operates for Air NZ as a hybrid business destination / hub for onward travel to the USA. LAX has 4 daily Air NZ flights whereas SFO has only 1. But for HKG and PVG to have one each is rather wasteful.
 
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Tue Dec 19, 2006 10:56 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 24):
Late 2010 obviously means December 2010, so obviously NZ can't put them into service until "early" 2011, being the first sample of a brand new type to their fleet (and in the world).

EIS means "Entry in service" and will be in 2011 (assuming no delays). All 2010 talk is pure PR hoax.
 
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Tue Dec 19, 2006 11:48 pm

Since Air New Zealand does not serve NYC, would this be a good time to begin to serve it when the new A/C come in, with a stop in say, IAH??
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Wed Dec 20, 2006 12:17 am

Quoting Koruman (Reply 28):
But those were the days before Fyfe and his Asian obsession,

And NZ flights to KIX, FUK, NGO and TPE were commenced during his tenure as CEO? Well the successful HKG-LHR leg was.

BTW, my money's on AKL-PVG-MAN too; because of the codeshares you outlined (Koruman) and the increase in tourism, trade and exchange from the English midlands with both China and New Zealand.

And why go head-to-head with alliance partner LH in trying to carve some custom on the PVG-FRA route? I'll probably be proven wrong though.

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Wed Dec 20, 2006 1:13 am

Quoting IAHFLYER (Reply 30):
Since Air New Zealand does not serve NYC, would this be a good time to begin to serve it when the new A/C come in, with a stop in say, IAH?

I would think IAH would be unlikely since it would be pure O&D since UA doesn't hub there and NZ is in Star.

Not sure what NZ's cabotage/Fifth Freedom options are, but DEN-JFK might be an option since UA doesn't service it and it wouldn't impact UA's p.s. services from SFO and LAX.
 
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Wed Dec 20, 2006 1:37 am

Air New Zealand took 50 orders and options for 787 in 2004 when they first ordered the 777 & 787, so they locked in recession prices and will make good use of them.
 
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Wed Dec 20, 2006 1:43 am

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 15):
To be honest, I see YVR starting thrice weekly as next years, "un-announced" route. How long would it take the 772ER to do AKL-YVR?

About 1-hour longer than to SFO. Southbound the still air distance is about 7600nm assuming -35k winds. It should be good for a payload of about 70000lb.
 
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Wed Dec 20, 2006 4:08 am

Quoting TG992 (Reply 23):
3. We used to carry German pax FRASINAKL so we can pick up a lot of these pax again plus cargo.

IIRC the NZ metal FRA service was via LAX not SIN
 
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Wed Dec 20, 2006 4:13 am

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 35):
IRC the NZ metal FRA service was via LAX not SIN


And via DFW for a period, I believe.
 
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Wed Dec 20, 2006 4:16 am

Quoting SunriseValley (Reply 36):
And via DFW for a period, I believe.

are you sure ? I seem to recall AKL-PPT-DFW-LGW once a week about 18 or 19 years ago , and I do recall a 'triangular" (AKL -) LAX-LGW-FRA-LAX or vv , but I dont remember FRA via DFW , on the other hand it was a long time ago and my memory is not what it once was Big grin
 
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Wed Dec 20, 2006 4:37 am

NZ1 on another current post noted that AKL-PVG is doing well. I suspect he is better placed to have an idea of that than others on here.
 
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Wed Dec 20, 2006 4:47 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 32):
Not sure what NZ's cabotage/Fifth Freedom options are, but DEN-JFK might be an option

It is difficult to imagine very much of a yield on a AKL-DEN and vv segment.
 
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Wed Dec 20, 2006 4:55 am

Quoting SunriseValley (Reply 39):
It is difficult to imagine very much of a yield on a AKL-DEN and vv segment.

That I do not know. I do not know how many passengers fly UA from DEN to LAX and SFO and then connect to NZ to fly to AKL. Also, I don't know what the UA traffic between DEN and EWR/LGA is, and how many of those folks would prefer to fly to JFK, instead, if it was an option.
 
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RE: NZ Purchases Four More Boeing 787-9 A/C

Wed Dec 20, 2006 5:03 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 25):
With NZ possibly having AKL-HKG twice daily, I wouldn't think they would send 2 of them to the UK

Who ever said this was going double daily?

Quoting Koruman (Reply 28):
Fyfe and his Asian obsession

Hmm I was worried at first but as I said earlier all he is doing is re developing our Asian network. Taking away TPE, NGO and SIN all with low loads and adding a few new cities, after this we might see him move onto North America or even South.

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 35):
IIRC the NZ metal FRA service was via LAX not SIN

I was talking more recently via SIN with NZ and LH. NZ18-NZ19 (FRALAXAKL - AKLLAXFRA) were dropped back in the early 90's??

Quoting Flyjetstar (Reply 38):
NZ1 on another current post noted that AKL-PVG is doing well. I suspect he is better placed to have an idea of that than others on here.

It is.
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RE: NZ Purchases Four More Boeing 787-9 A/C

Wed Dec 20, 2006 5:33 am

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 10):
Quoting Koruman (Reply 6):
As I've written before, I think the 787-9 order is ill-thought out, because it is too similar in size and mission to the 777-200ER which the airline already has.

dont forget that only 4 of the -200s are owned - the others are only leased .

And in another 5-6 years they wouldn't have that much trouble find a new life somewhere else.

Quoting Koruman (Reply 6):
But the 787-9's greater capacity makes it too big for those routes, and instead it will be wasted on long, thin routes at low frequencies from AKL to Bombay, Beijing and Buenos Aires.

Isn't EZE out of the reach for a twin due to ETOPS restrictions? I think it is.
 
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RE: NZ Purchases Four More Boeing 787-9 A/C

Wed Dec 20, 2006 5:40 am

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 42):
Isn't EZE out of the reach for a twin due to ETOPS restrictions? I think it is.

currently yes - but if you have a look at the following thread
RE: Etops 330 Close To Approval? (by OldAeroGuy Dec 10 2006 in Civil Aviation)6/

you will see that the situation may change , if not for the 777s then probably for the 787s
 
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RE: NZ Purchases Four More Boeing 787-9 A/C

Wed Dec 20, 2006 5:43 am

What kind of frequency is anticipated for any AKL-PVG-MAN service? I'd be comfortable with a 3 weekly service as a daily flight would be overkill.
 
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RE: NZ Purchases Four More Boeing 787-9 A/C

Wed Dec 20, 2006 5:43 am

Excellent news!!! Does anyone (PanAm_DC10 perhaps) know whether these orders were previously listed on Boeing's orders page?

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RE: NZ Purchases Four More Boeing 787-9 A/C

Wed Dec 20, 2006 6:17 am

They are new orders and not previously listed UFOs.
 
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RE: NZ Purchases Four More Boeing 787-9 A/C

Wed Dec 20, 2006 6:24 am

Searching under user defined reports on Boeing's orders page reveals the only 787-9 UFO order is for 1 unit. All other 787 UFOs are for the 787-8.
 
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RE: NZ Purchases Four More Boeing 787-9 A/C

Wed Dec 20, 2006 8:15 am

Quoting ZKNBX (Reply 18):
My pick also. I wouldn't be surprised if it is AKL-NAN-YVR because of range issues



Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 15):
To be honest, I see YVR starting thrice weekly as next years, "un-announced" route. How long would it take the 772ER to do AKL-YVR?

AKL-NAN-YVR would be more likely with 772ER due to range issues...(so long as the coup in Fiji doesn't become any worse!). Range planners at NZ have previously told me that there would be a severe payload restriction on a AKL-YVR direct flight due to the distance. A 772LR/789 on the other hand would just love this route.  Smile

Quoting Koruman (Reply 17):
Hong Kong (failed until extended to London)

Failed? said who? NZ was flying this route with old 763ER a/c and doing alright with it, they then upgraded it to 772ER...initially it took a little while for the market to digest the increase in capacity but it started to fill up then the thru flight with 744 came in and the flight is fine.

Quoting IAHFLYER (Reply 30):
Since Air New Zealand does not serve NYC, would this be a good time to begin to serve it when the new A/C come in, with a stop in say, IAH??

non-stop AKL-JFK is one of NZs top10 wishlists. It probably won't start until at least 6 of the 789s have arrived. The USA market to New Zealand is very much Californians and New Yorkers, between them they would probably make up more than 2/3s the traffic.
If NZ goes down the 773ER road then expect 2xLAX, 1xSFO and using 789: 1xJFK, 1xYVR daily. Possibly a DFW or ORD direct with 789 also.
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RE: NZ Purchases Four More Boeing 787-9 A/C

Wed Dec 20, 2006 8:28 am

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 48):
NZ was flying this route with old 763ER a/c and doing alright with it

Thanks to cargo ops it continued. Without the daily cargo, AKL-HKG would have been history. I recall one flight of a family friend and on which there were something like 16-30 pax on board. But fortunately cargo paid for the flight. The 763 is so inferior to CX's A343, most people switched but now as the new IFE has AVOD unlike CX's at the present time, some might just want to take the NZ flight. Something like 16 paying passengers on board does not mean it is doing alright.

Quoting TG992 (Reply 41):
Who ever said this was going double daily?

Just a thought, if another flight left AKL to Europe via Asia. It still could be a possibility.
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