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BA History @ SFO (question)

Wed Dec 20, 2006 2:06 am

Does anyone know the date in the late '70s or early '80s when BA returned to SFO? I believe that BOAC had flown to SFO since the late '50s for a few years as well? Thanks.
 
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RE: BA History @ SFO (question)

Wed Dec 20, 2006 2:12 am

They operated round-the-world service in 50s and 60s. SFO - HNL - HND was the Pacific segment.



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RE: BA History @ SFO (question)

Wed Dec 20, 2006 2:26 am

They started in 1957 or 1958 with DC-7Cs, then Britannias, then 707s. I didn't know they ever dropped SFO-- I'll see what I can find.
 
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RE: BA History @ SFO (question)

Wed Dec 20, 2006 3:05 am

They flew SYD-NAN-HNL-SFO-JFK-LHR in the late 60s. I flew this service several times between 1968 and 1970. The flight took a 6 hour break at SFO for crew rest reasons. In those more relaxed times transit passengers were taken to a motel without ever going through security or immigration (stayed in the transit lounge at HNL or JFK so the US was never officially entered by these passengers).
 
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RE: BA History @ SFO (question)

Wed Dec 20, 2006 7:22 am

BA did fly SFO-HNL-NAN-SYD for a time, but mostly they left that route to Qantas. During most of the 60s they flew SFO to Tokyo and Hong Kong, LAX to Australia.

It seems BA resumed LHR-SFO in May 1978-- or maybe they never flew it nonstop before? They had ended flights to SFO sometime 1971-74.
 
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RE: BA History @ SFO (question)

Wed Dec 20, 2006 7:35 am

Quoting Timz (Reply 4):
BA did fly SFO-HNL-NAN-SYD for a time, but mostly they left that route to Qantas. During most of the 60s they flew SFO to Tokyo and Hong Kong, LAX to Australia.

I can't recall BA (then BOAC) ever operating the South Pacific route from LAX. If memory correct until about the mid-70s when they dropped both routes, they operated the SFO-HNL-NAN-SYD route you mention and SFO-HNL-HND (Tokyo Haneda). I think they were using the Super VC-10 on the SYD route and the 707-320B/C on the Tokyo route when they suspended service.
 
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RE: BA History @ SFO (question)

Wed Dec 20, 2006 8:11 am

Quoting Timz (Reply 4):
It seems BA resumed LHR-SFO in May 1978-- or maybe they never flew it nonstop before? They had ended flights to SFO sometime 1971-74.

Just as a fun point in history, Bermuda I, signed in 1946, allowed the following regarding SFO/LAX:

For UK carriers:

Route 1) London to San Francisco via New York, continuing to either or both Hong Kong and Singapore via any one or more of Honolulu, Midway, Wake, Guam or Manila, if desired.

For US carriers:

Route 6) San Francisco or Los Angeles to Hong Kong via Honolulu, Midway, Wake, Guam, or Manila (as desired), continuing onto Macao; A point or points in China; A point or points in Indo-China; A point or points in Siam; A point or points in Burma; Calcutta, if desired.

Route 7) San Francisco or Los Angeles to Singapore via Honolulu, Midway, Wake, Guam, or Manila (as desired); A point or points in Indo-China; Batavia, if desired.


Obviously things changed over the years before Bermuda II came into existence.

I would have to look back in my old, old records, but I recall a friend from high school taking a British Airtours 747 charter from SFO to London in the late 70s, and my dad flying nonstop around 1980 SFO-LHR when the 747s were painted in the "British" livery.
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RE: BA History @ SFO (question)

Wed Dec 20, 2006 8:21 am

I wasn't aware SFO was ever dropped. The SYD-NAN-HNL-SFO-JFK-LHR leg required a SFO transit for about 6 hours at the SFO Airport Hilton due to JFK curfew restrictions. The trans-Pacific service was terminated around 1973 (QF operated the same route and withdrew from SFO-JFK-LHR)- both BA/QF operated the flights with 707's the last few years.
 
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RE: BA History @ SFO (question)

Wed Dec 20, 2006 9:22 am

On one of my SFO 6 hour transits the 707 was full and there were insufficient rooms at the Airport Hilton. So en route HNL-SFO the flight attendants looked at our passports. Those with UK/Aus/NZ passports were bussed to a hotel off the airport and told to 'stay in the hotel grounds'. All others were sent to the Hilton.

For the record this was 23 July 1969
 
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RE: BA History @ SFO (question)

Wed Dec 20, 2006 12:51 pm

Thank you for the input. I appreciate your research!
 
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RE: BA History @ SFO (question)

Wed Dec 20, 2006 6:55 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):
I can't recall BA (then BOAC) ever operating the South Pacific route from LAX. If memory correct until about the mid-70s when they dropped both routes, they operated the SFO-HNL-NAN-SYD route you mention and SFO-HNL-HND (Tokyo Haneda). I think they were using the Super VC-10 on the SYD route and the 707-320B/C on the Tokyo route when they suspended service

From NO LATER than late 1968 the BA South Pacific route was SYD-NAN-HNL-LAX-JFK-LHR, operated by SVC10 aircraft. They may have also operated SYD-NAN-HNL-SFO, at this time. The LAX route was the last to operate from SYD.

The SFO-HNL-HND route operated thru to HKG. BA also operated LHR-ANC-HND-HKG. The exact route and end point changed fairly frequently and also changed according to the day of the week.

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RE: BA History @ SFO (question)

Thu Dec 21, 2006 8:20 am

Quoting Timz (Reply 4):
During most of the 60s they flew SFO to Tokyo and Hong Kong, LAX to Australia.

I was wrong there-- it seems they didn't start flights west from LAX until 1969 or 1970. Gemuser says 1968, but as I recall it wasn't in the 6/69 OAG.