yak42
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Iran Air Ever Fly To Canada?

Wed Dec 20, 2006 3:29 am

Obviously Iran Air used to fly to the US and no longer does but did they ever fly to Canada? And if they did, why did they stop?
 
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RE: Iran Air Ever Fly To Canada?

Wed Dec 20, 2006 4:07 am

AFAIK, they never flew to Canada, unless it was on charter basis.

They used to have 747SP nonstop to JFK.
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RE: Iran Air Ever Fly To Canada?

Wed Dec 20, 2006 4:28 am

They have considered it at times. When AC's A345s were in storage during 2003-2004 Iran Air did consider putting in an offer for the aircraft with an Iran-Canada route in mind
 
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RE: Iran Air Ever Fly To Canada?

Wed Dec 20, 2006 11:41 am

Quoting 1stfl94 (Reply 2):
When AC's A345s were in storage during 2003-2004 Iran Air did consider putting in an offer for the aircraft with an Iran-Canada route in mind

I suppose that would have been politically off the cards, seeing as AC cant even launch flights to Beirut.

Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 1):
AFAIK, they never flew to Canada

Thanks for that. Iran Air obviously wasnt as North America orientated as I thought in that era.
 
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RE: Iran Air Ever Fly To Canada?

Thu Dec 21, 2006 4:08 am

The main reason IR does not fly to YYZ (despite the huge Iranian population there) is the Canadian government's refusal to allow so. This is largely because of the American pressure. IR has been applying for the route for years (as early as 1992 I believe).
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RE: Iran Air Ever Fly To Canada?

Thu Dec 21, 2006 4:29 am

Quoting A300 (Reply 4):
The main reason IR does not fly to YYZ (despite the huge Iranian population there) is the Canadian government's refusal to allow so. This is largely because of the American pressure.

lemme get this straight... america is pressuring canada not to allow non stops from iran??? does that really make any sense, beacuse someone from iran could always connect through another country and get to canada or america??
Also i then take it as America does not allow any iranian or american carriers to fly there either??? I thought that they only had this policy toward cuba
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RE: Iran Air Ever Fly To Canada?

Thu Dec 21, 2006 8:01 am

I remember reading an article about Iran Air in Airways a few years ago. In it, they stated that they wanted to fly to Canada, but "whatever Uncle Sam says, Canada agrees with."

It's a shame, as YYZ and YVR both have huge Iranian populations.
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RE: Iran Air Ever Fly To Canada?

Thu Dec 21, 2006 11:50 am

Well i got a question. How did uncle sam know that iran air approached canada about a possible route??
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RE: Iran Air Ever Fly To Canada?

Thu Dec 21, 2006 11:59 am

Quoting Detroitflyer (Reply 5):
lemme get this straight... america is pressuring canada not to allow non stops from iran??? does that really make any sense, beacuse someone from iran could always connect through another country and get to canada or america??
Also i then take it as America does not allow any iranian or american carriers to fly there either??? I thought that they only had this policy toward cuba

There has been an economic embargo against Iran for years, not solely by the US, although we are the main "enforcer" (for lack of a better word). Why do you think they are still flying 707's (maybe?) and 74L's? It has only been in the last few years they've been allowed to buy western jets. While they do fly to some European destinations, I think it unlikely to see them crossing the pond unless there is a huge shift in the political climate in that nation. And you're correct. It still wouldn't stop someone from getting into the USA from Iran via another gateway. I guess it gives us a sort of a faux sense of security perhaps?
 
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RE: Iran Air Ever Fly To Canada?

Thu Dec 21, 2006 12:25 pm

Quoting Jayce (Reply 6):
"whatever Uncle Sam says, Canada agrees with.

In Australia we can't send US dollars to Iran (Euros are fine), but at least we can fly EK via Dubai to THR. A pity EK don't fly to Canada - though you can hop down to JFK, then catch EK via DXB to THR. Alternatively, you can fly EY from YYZ to AUH, and connect with an IR flight to a variety of Iranian cities. Considering the state of the IR fleet, I think EY or EK would be preferable anyway.

[Edited 2006-12-21 04:30:44]

[Edited 2006-12-21 04:34:30]
 
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RE: Iran Air Ever Fly To Canada?

Thu Dec 21, 2006 12:37 pm

Quoting Antskip (Reply 9):
A pity EK don't fly to Canada - though you can hop down to JFK, then catch EK via DXB to THR. Alternatively, you can fly EY from YYZ to AUH, and connect with an IR flight to a variety of Iranian cities.

Why make two connections at JFK and DXB to get to THR, with all the extra customs/immigration/security hassles, when several major European carriers (LH/KL/BA/OS to name four) operate from Canada to THR with just one connection at their hubs in Europe?
 
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RE: Iran Air Ever Fly To Canada?

Thu Dec 21, 2006 1:07 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 10):
Why make two connections at JFK and DXB to get to THR, with all the extra customs/immigration/security hassles, when several major European carriers (LH/KL/BA/OS to name four) operate from Canada to THR with just one connection at their hubs in Europe?

Only the desire to experience good old-fashioned Arab hospitality on the way Smile But thanks for info! - goes to show Canada really is well served for travellers to and from Iran! No need for IR, with their US-hamstrung fleet...
 
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RE: Iran Air Ever Fly To Canada?

Fri Dec 22, 2006 1:49 am

The Americans have blocked flights into Canada even in the cases when Iran was not involved. I recall a case earlier this year when a crew of a Canada-bound commercial aircraft had not been cleared by the Americans. The flight had to turn around and go back to Europe. The American and Canadians share a lot of information (guess who wears the pants in that relationship). I, for one, would love to see IR flights to YYZ, YUL and YVR. It certainly would make my life easier. And, no, the North America-Iran market is not adequately served via connecting points. I don't enjoy sitting at FRA for hours at a time and be put in "special" lines. Despite the less than stellar service to the Iranian community, KL via AMS is probably the best option for now.
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RE: Iran Air Ever Fly To Canada?

Fri Dec 22, 2006 3:04 am

Quoting 777FlyGuy (Reply 8):
There has been an economic embargo against Iran for years, not solely by the US, although we are the main "enforcer" (for lack of a better word).

As far as I know they are pretty much the only country with an embargo on Iran. Any other country does not have an official embargo but governments and private companies face pressure from the US against doing business with Iran. Mostly this is ignored where governments have a backbone and where economic interests are strong. Also the embargo is a strange one with employees of US companies working in Iran, US products widely available in Iran and Iranian products and produce available in the US.

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RE: Iran Air Ever Fly To Canada?

Fri Dec 22, 2006 3:05 am

Quoting Detroitflyer (Reply 7):
Well i got a question. How did uncle sam know that iran air approached canada about a possible route??

Quite easily. Canada as the US has a transparent government where such bilateral deals and request for service are made public knowledge.

Even if such material was not published Canada has the diplomatic where with all to understand that any Iranian contacts could cause issues with the US and would certainly alert the US of any Iranian intentions ahead of time.

Quoting A300 (Reply 12):
The American and Canadians share a lot of information

Indeed do. Canadian military and civil servants are assigned to various US government agencies and work side by side with their American colleagues.


Also remember a few years back, when Air Canada wished to launch service to Beirut? Their request was denied by the Canadian government due to objections by their US counter parts.

Like it or not, Canada's actions are very much dictated by the wishes of those South of the border.
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RE: Iran Air Ever Fly To Canada?

Fri Dec 22, 2006 7:29 am

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 19):
Like it or not, Canada's actions are very much dictated by the wishes of those South of the border.

honestly whats the worst that could happen if Canada just said for the lack of better words "Screw you uncle sam", they really should make their own decisions. I dont see american backing down from something profitable iF Canada objected to it
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RE: Iran Air Ever Fly To Canada?

Fri Dec 22, 2006 7:46 am

I was in Iran Air's office in Frankfurt on Tuesday and got some promotional info. The lady gave me a brochure on Iran Air and it was printed back in April this year and shows the whole history and their hotel groups and fleet etc.. also at the back is a route map and in dotted line ''Proposed new route'' shows JFK and CCS !!! They will get CCS no probs but JFK is a bit 50/50!!!

Having said that the elections a few days ago was a bit of a bad day for that crazy guy that my Iranian friends call the ''Muslim Bush''!!! Well put I thought. Most Iranians dont support this hardline extreme Islam. If you threaten a nation of course the people will back their leaders , look at when Serbia was being bombed and more recently Lebanon. It makes people more extreme than they would be normally. Diplomacy is the key word.

Iran Air is a great airline and I have flown them 4 times. 747's and 727's the service was amazing and food the best ive had in Y on any airline. I really hope that they get to buy new A/C and get more routes. Who cares if they dont get JFK they have survived well enough without it.
 
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RE: Iran Air Ever Fly To Canada?

Fri Dec 22, 2006 11:16 am

Quoting YAK42 (Reply 3):
Thanks for that. Iran Air obviously wasnt as North America orientated as I thought in that era.

Iran Air was planning non-stop 747SP service from THR to LAX along with potential one stop service. They had already set up counter space at LAX in T2 with PanAm, an airline the Shah of Iran bailed out with his blood money more than once.

Quoting A300 (Reply 4):
The main reason IR does not fly to YYZ (despite the huge Iranian population there)

If it was all about population, LAX would have 2-4 flights a day to THR and probably 1 each to Shiraz and Tabirz.

Quoting Detroitflyer (Reply 5):
america is pressuring canada not to allow non stops from iran??? does that really make any sense, beacuse someone from iran could always connect through another country and get to canada or america??

It makes sense in that it has been happening for years and even happened with a route that I believe was already granted to BEY. It doesn't make sense because, as you said, European carriers carry a massive number of people between the countries.

Quoting Detroitflyer (Reply 5):
Also i then take it as America does not allow any iranian or american carriers to fly there either???

Um, that should be obvious.

Quoting 777FlyGuy (Reply 8):
It has only been in the last few years they've been allowed to buy western jets.

They haven't been allowed to do any such thing. The only western jets Iran has been allowed to buy since 1979 were a few F100s and A300-600Rs that were part of the paltry reparations for Iran Air 655

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 10):
Why make two connections at JFK and DXB to get to THR, with all the extra customs/immigration/security hassles, when several major European carriers (LH/KL/BA/OS to name four) operate from Canada to THR with just one connection at their hubs in Europe?

Not to mention AZ and AF as well. LH and KL do particularly well on LAX-THR

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 14):
Also remember a few years back, when Air Canada wished to launch service to Beirut? Their request was denied by the Canadian government due to objections by their US counter parts.

I believe the Chretien government had already granted them permission and yanked it at US behest.
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RE: Iran Air Ever Fly To Canada?

Fri Dec 22, 2006 12:07 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 17):
European carriers carry a massive number of people between the countries.

The USA's loss is Europe's gain. After all, US airlines are in such good shape they don't need the income.  Smile. Similarly, I was amazed the other day to find in order to buy some books from Iran, I could send Euros but not dollars - I was told by my Australian bank that the US government would freeze any money transfer to Iran. Euros? No problem! At least the European nations have over-ruled the US in the latest UN Iranian sanction proposal, leaving private travel out of any sanctions. They ought to keep hardware that impacts on air safety out of it as well. There are plenty of Iranians inside and outside of Iran who do not support their present government - just as we don't blame every citizen of the US for their foreign policy. I don't agree with many policies of my Australian government. In even the most democratic countries, most citizens have little influence on their government's specific foreign policies; even less on what our representives say.
 
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RE: Iran Air Ever Fly To Canada?

Fri Dec 22, 2006 1:56 pm

Quoting YAK42 (Reply 13):
As far as I know they are pretty much the only country with an embargo on Iran. Any other country does not have an official embargo but governments and private companies face pressure from the US against doing business with Iran. Mostly this is ignored where governments have a backbone and where economic interests are strong. Also the embargo is a strange one with employees of US companies working in Iran, US products widely available in Iran and Iranian products and produce available in the US.

Agreed. US policy has never exactly made sense in alot of areas.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 17):
They haven't been allowed to do any such thing. The only western jets Iran has been allowed to buy since 1979 were a few F100s and A300-600Rs that were part of the paltry reparations for Iran Air 655

For some reason I thought they had 320's? I looked in ATW's annual report for 2006 and don't see them, although it does show Mahan Air operates one. My bad.
 
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RE: Iran Air Ever Fly To Canada?

Fri Dec 22, 2006 2:39 pm

Quoting 777FlyGuy (Reply 19):
For some reason I thought they had 320's?

Iran Air's web site http://www.iranair.com/s.do?p=/abtIrnAir/fleet/index.jsp
lists the fleet as follows in 2004:
6 Fokker 100
4 B727-200
4 A300-B2K
4 A300-600
2 A310-300
6 A310-200
1 B747-SP
2 B747-200
1 B474-100

Apparently they added 2 A300-600's in 2005?
 
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RE: Iran Air Ever Fly To Canada?

Fri Dec 22, 2006 5:34 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 17):
If it was all about population, LAX would have 2-4 flights a day to THR and probably 1 each to Shiraz and Tabirz

How does that happen? can there really be that many customers for Iran and isnt KL and LH taking care of this market? when you say that they are doing well about of this market how well do you mean?
 
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RE: Iran Air Ever Fly To Canada?

Fri Dec 22, 2006 6:07 pm

I can understand why the US would be weary of an Iranian flight, but BEY-YYZ??? C'mon, this pandering to the US is getting a bit ridiculous. I'm sure if the tables were turned the US would tell us to go f@ck ourselves.


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