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Singapore Seating Plan For The A380

Wed Dec 20, 2006 4:37 am

Surely Singapore (or any other airline) must have had the seating plan for the A380 finalised for a while, especially due to the fact that they should have already had flights.

I've done some searches and I'm not finding much - can anyone shed any light on this?
 
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RE: Singapore Seating Plan For The A380

Wed Dec 20, 2006 4:42 am

They want to keep it secret until EIS for both competitive reasons and a desire to be able to show it off when the plane launches - ala what they did with the 77W interior and new seating.
 
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RE: Singapore Seating Plan For The A380

Wed Dec 20, 2006 4:53 am

Yes, it's a secret. However, SQ have already shown photos of their new C seats in a mockup of the WhaleJet upperdeck. They are configured 1-2-1 at 51" pitch, just like on the B777-300ER. Now that we've seen the new F seat, I expect it will be configured 1-2-1 on the maindeck, leaving very wide aisles. I expect just two rows for a total of eight F seats. Just behind door 2, I would expect to find the F galley and some lavs.
 
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RE: Singapore Seating Plan For The A380

Wed Dec 20, 2006 5:05 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 2):
Now that we've seen the new F seat, I expect it will be configured 1-2-1 on the maindeck, leaving very wide aisles.

SQ has hinted (if not outright stated) that their F suites on the A388 will be similar to private cabins, so the extra space the main deck offers would allow them to enclose the seats as EK does (somewhat) on the A345 and has stated they will do on their A388s in the 1-2-1 configuration you propose.
 
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RE: Singapore Seating Plan For The A380

Wed Dec 20, 2006 5:07 am

Going from 12 F pods on the 744 to 8 F cabins on the A388 is a bit of a drastic reduction. 3 rows of F at 12 total is still plenty exclusive, especially if they have enclosures that make it seem like you are the only one on the plane...
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RE: Singapore Seating Plan For The A380

Wed Dec 20, 2006 5:22 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 4):
Going from 12 F pods on the 744 to 8 F cabins on the A388 is a bit of a drastic reduction. 3 rows of F at 12 total is still plenty exclusive, especially if they have enclosures that make it seem like you are the only one on the plane...

Yes, however, the new C seats are nicer than any previous SQ F seats except for the SkySuites in the Jumbos. Also, I think only two rows would fit forward of door 2.
 
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RE: Singapore Seating Plan For The A380

Wed Dec 20, 2006 5:33 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 5):
Yes, however, the new C seats are nicer than any previous SQ F seats except for the SkySuites in the Jumbos. Also, I think only two rows would fit forward of door 2.

Well, you could definitely fit 10 seats, but I think you could fit 12+ if you did the lavs and galley like you said, behind door 2.

BTW - I did a plan putting this new SQ flagship product onto the 748 (including full F private suites, not just seats). I don't have anywhere to host it, but suggestions would be welcome (tried imageshack, but it wouldn't upload there for some reason).

I fit 376 seats, same as the 744 with the old product. 12F, 50J, 314Y. Sure would slot nicely between the 275 seat 77W and 475 seat A388, despite what Mr. Chew says...
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RE: Singapore Seating Plan For The A380

Wed Dec 20, 2006 5:33 am

Sorry to hijack the thread, but does anyone have a link to the new 773er seat maps?
 
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RE: Singapore Seating Plan For The A380

Wed Dec 20, 2006 5:39 am

Quoting ANstar (Reply 7):

It's on the SQ website. I'd link it, but that page loads really slow for me...
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RE: Singapore Seating Plan For The A380

Wed Dec 20, 2006 5:41 am

http://www.singaporeair.com/saa/en_U.../eot/fleet_info/77W/B777_300ER.gif

loading way, way faster today. SQ must have fixed it...
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RE: Singapore Seating Plan For The A380

Wed Dec 20, 2006 5:52 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 6):
Well, you could definitely fit 10 seats, but I think you could fit 12+ if you did the lavs and galley like you said, behind door 2.

What is the cabin length forward of door 2?

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 6):
I did a plan putting this new SQ flagship product onto the 748 (including full F private suites, not just seats). I don't have anywhere to host it, but suggestions would be welcome (tried imageshack, but it wouldn't upload there for some reason).

I fit 376 seats, same as the 744 with the old product. 12F, 50J, 314Y. Sure would slot nicely between the 275 seat 77W and 475 seat A388, despite what Mr. Chew says...

I would be very interested to see that. In what format is it? pdf?
 
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RE: Singapore Seating Plan For The A380

Wed Dec 20, 2006 5:54 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 2):
They are configured 1-2-1 at 51" pitch,

I know I'm stupid but I still can't envisage how you get a bed 76in long out of a 51in pitch .looking at SQs site I still can't figure it out, unless your feet tuck away under and to the side of the head of the person in front and it doesn't look that way.
 
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RE: Singapore Seating Plan For The A380

Wed Dec 20, 2006 6:05 am

Quoting Trex8 (Reply 11):
I know I'm stupid but I still can't envisage how you get a bed 76in long out of a 51in pitch .looking at SQs site I still can't figure it out, unless your feet tuck away under and to the side of the head of the person in front and it doesn't look that way.

That is exactly what I wanted to post! How can afully- horizontal flat bed be put with a 51 in pitch? Would someone clarrify please.
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RE: Singapore Seating Plan For The A380

Wed Dec 20, 2006 6:10 am

Quoting Trex8 (Reply 11):
I know I'm stupid but I still can't envisage how you get a bed 76in long out of a 51in pitch .looking at SQs site I still can't figure it out, unless your feet tuck away under and to the side of the head of the person in front and it doesn't look that way.

It's exactly that -- combined with the diagonal of the 51" pitch and the 35" width.
 
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RE: Singapore Seating Plan For The A380

Wed Dec 20, 2006 6:17 am

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 12):
That is exactly what I wanted to post! How can afully- horizontal flat bed be put with a 51 in pitch? Would someone clarrify please.

Diagonal, similar as Virgin is doing in its upper class. That is also why they have the 1-2-1 layout. The difference with SQ is that the seats are facing completely forward when in upright position. The seatback has basically two sides and can be folded forwardly, similar to the seatbacks in the rear of many cars which you can flattened to enlarge the trunk. On the back of the back of your seat you find the mattress of your bed.
 
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RE: Singapore Seating Plan For The A380

Wed Dec 20, 2006 6:54 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 8):
It's on the SQ website. I'd link it, but that page loads really slow for me...

Thanks! I did look at their site but couldn't find it  Sad
 
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RE: Singapore Seating Plan For The A380

Wed Dec 20, 2006 7:21 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 4):
Going from 12 F pods on the 744 to 8 F cabins on the A388 is a bit of a drastic reduction. 3 rows of F at 12 total is still plenty exclusive, especially if they have enclosures that make it seem like you are the only one on the plane...

I'm a bit puzzled - one of the major selling points (from a customer POV) of the A380 (and original jumbo jet) was to give the impression of space. Now seats are being enclosed into small cubby-cabins that present the opposite of spaciousness. Eh???
 
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RE: Singapore Seating Plan For The A380

Wed Dec 20, 2006 7:50 am

Quoting Khobar (Reply 16):
I'm a bit puzzled - one of the major selling points (from a customer POV) of the A380 (and original jumbo jet) was to give the impression of space. Now seats are being enclosed into small cubby-cabins that present the opposite of spaciousness. Eh???

Premium cabin customers (probably) value privacy and space, so the A388 would give them both - private suites that are still large enough to spread out in.
 
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RE: Singapore Seating Plan For The A380

Wed Dec 20, 2006 8:15 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 13):
combined with the diagonal of the 51" pitch and the 35" width.

the hypotenuse will still not be 76in, more like 62in.

Quoting Jog (Reply 14):
Diagonal, similar as Virgin is doing in its upper class.

ok, I understand how the Virgin and ANZ seats work but it still doesn't make sense with a forward facing seat where the pitch is claimed to be 51in and you are not "overlaping" with some part of the seat in front or behind.
 
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RE: Singapore Seating Plan For The A380

Wed Dec 20, 2006 9:34 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 17):
Premium cabin customers (probably) value privacy and space, so the A388 would give them both - private suites that are still large enough to spread out in.

But the cabin of the A380 is only 8" wider than the 747 at armrest level, so I don't see how using this space for walls creates any more space than a 747 without walls - the actual amount of room per passenger in this environment would be about the same. Upstairs, of course, the cabin width is narrower than a 747 main cabin, so again I don't see the advantage.

Perhaps I am misinterpreting what is meant by "cabin"?
 
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RE: Singapore Seating Plan For The A380

Wed Dec 20, 2006 9:36 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 5):
Yes, however, the new C seats are nicer than any previous SQ F seats except for the SkySuites in the Jumbos. Also, I think only two rows would fit forward of door 2.

This is an example seat layout (I think it is the official layout of Virgin Atlantic.
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b154/Kaitak744/a380.jpg
Here, you can see 3 rows in front of door 2. Also, it seems that the space besides the stairs will probably be used as lounge space by most airlines.
 
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RE: Singapore Seating Plan For The A380

Wed Dec 20, 2006 9:51 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 20):
This is an example seat layout (I think it is the official layout of Virgin Atlantic

That's the Airbus layout used on their aircraft used for passenger tests. There is a tentative Virgin layout on v-flyer.com but considering the A380 won't be with them until 2013 I doubt we'll anymore until that time
 
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RE: Singapore Seating Plan For The A380

Wed Dec 20, 2006 9:55 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 10):
I would be very interested to see that. In what format is it? pdf?

PSD, and also saved in jpg, but I can do pdf, whatever. I can send it to you if you can take a 1.5MB file as an attachment.

I just used representative shaped seats for the J section rather than the bizarre squares SQ uses on their website, but the spacing is right.

Quoting Khobar (Reply 16):
Now seats are being enclosed into small cubby-cabins that present the opposite of spaciousness. Eh???

on the A380, we are talking interior dimensions of maybe 40" x 80" with a closable door or curtain, 3-4 windows, various tables, shelves and storage boxes, etc. It doesn't feel cramped.

I flew in seat 1K on the 744 on QF, and you are basically in a much smaller cubby (see their fleet plans to see how it's wedge into the front corner). Other than needing 2 more inches of legroom (I'm tall), I felt no claustrophobia and would have liked to have a curtain to close while I slept to block out the reading light from across the way, and the A380 will theoretically offer 50% more width in SQ's setup, should they offer an "enclosed" cabin.

I've also been in the Amtrak trains where the small bedroom is about the same size we are talking about here, and it is not cramped at all. If only you could put a 1 meter by 1.5 meter picture window into an Airplane...  Smile

Quoting Trex8 (Reply 18):
the hypotenuse will still not be 76in, more like 62in.

It's even less, because humans have width. Take 51" and 24" for the triangle, and you get about 56". All that means is that you need a 24" cubby for your feet to reach 76" (assuming 4" for seat structure on both ends). And if you look at the videos and see the reclined position, there is about a 24" deep cubby for your feet.

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 20):
Here, you can see 3 rows in front of door 2.

Thanks. Airbus isn't dumb, and designed the F section to go in the 1-2 position on the main deck, and was well aware of the full length pod concept, so there's no way they would have designed it to only fit 2 rows of pods. I remembered seeing that somewhere, but Airbus's website is lamer than even Boeing's (and theirs requires something like 5 mouse clicks and then navigation a series of PDFs) when it comes to providing that information in an easy to find location.

And if you look, there is actually space for 14, if you line two more by the windows on either side of the stairs and cut out the pointless gaps between the window seats. I can see SQ doing at least 12, maybe 14.
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RE: Singapore Seating Plan For The A380

Wed Dec 20, 2006 10:34 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 22):
And if you look at the videos and see the reclined position, there is about a 24" deep cubby for your feet

but what if I have gigantic feet and it doesn't fit!!, plus it seems if the guy behind you kicks that cubby hole, it'll be right next to your head!
 
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RE: Singapore Seating Plan For The A380

Wed Dec 20, 2006 11:00 am

Quoting Khobar (Reply 19):
But the cabin of the A380 is only 8" wider than the 747 at armrest level, so I don't see how using this space for walls creates any more space than a 747 without walls - the actual amount of room per passenger in this environment would be about the same.

Is that 8" comparing the widest part of the 747 cabin with the widest part of the A388 cabin?

With the nose of the 747 sloping in, and the nose being the most often place First Class is located, I am going to hazard a guess that the A388 between Door 1 and Door 2 is wider and offers more total square footage then the 747 forward of Door 1.
 
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RE: Singapore Seating Plan For The A380

Wed Dec 20, 2006 11:05 am

Quoting Trex8 (Reply 23):
but what if I have gigantic feet and it doesn't fit!!, plus it seems if the guy behind you kicks that cubby hole, it'll be right next to your head!

Hey, I didn't design em, I think they are a wasteful design and their 77W floorplan and my 748i floorplan back that up, and I agree that my feet won't fit and I'll likely kick the guys seat.

I'm just telling you how this wonderful product works...  Wink

PS - if someone put me on it for free, I'd fly it! But if I'm paying, I'd prefer the VS, NZ or new DL concepts, even with their drawbacks. I don't mind seeing a "sea of feet" walking down the aisle. They'll be far away from my head when I'm sleeping...
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RE: Singapore Seating Plan For The A380

Wed Dec 20, 2006 11:15 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 24):
With the nose of the 747 sloping in, and the nose being the most often place First Class is located, I am going to hazard a guess that the A388 between Door 1 and Door 2 is wider and offers more total square footage then the 747 forward of Door 1.

Yep. Any enclosed suite product really needs to go upstairs on a 747, or between doors 1 and 2, to not be wasteful of space. on the 744, that's like room for 6-8. On the 748i, there's room for 12-14 depending on design, the same number of smaller pods airlines put in the nose of the 744.

The nose accepts angled pods pretty well, and if your J product consists of that type of product, you can fit them in there. SQ's design makes it harder to fit J's into the nose, too, but I barely fit 13 with big enough aisles. You might be able to squeeze 14 or 15 in there. VS and NZ fit 14 easily and could probably fit 16 or 17 if they put some in the middle.
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RE: Singapore Seating Plan For The A380

Wed Dec 20, 2006 12:36 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 24):
With the nose of the 747 sloping in, and the nose being the most often place First Class is located, I am going to hazard a guess that the A388 between Door 1 and Door 2 is wider and offers more total square footage then the 747 forward of Door 1.

True about the sloping in, but different airlines have different configurations. Some 747 operators have first only in the nose, others have first all the way back to door #2 and some upstairs. But I guess A380 operators could also put first back to door #2, or they could do something else entirely.

BTW, are their any pictures of what a cabin might look like? Doesn't have to be an A380 cabin, just something representative - I seem to have missed this in my searches.
 
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RE: Singapore Seating Plan For The A380

Thu Dec 21, 2006 4:40 am

Singapore will go with an A380 First Class on the first floor with 3 rows at four across. I am much more interested to see the Business Class with both upper and main floor seating. I wouod imagine they areg going for 60 to 75 seats.
 
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RE: Singapore Seating Plan For The A380

Thu Dec 21, 2006 5:09 am

Quoting Trex8 (Reply 18):
the hypotenuse will still not be 76in, more like 62in.

Quoting Jog (Reply 14):
Diagonal, similar as Virgin is doing in its upper class.

ok, I understand how the Virgin and ANZ seats work but it still doesn't make sense with a forward facing seat where the pitch is claimed to be 51in and you are not "overlaping" with some part of the seat in front or behind.

But they are overlapping, as I wrote above!

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 20):
I think it is the official layout of Virgin Atlantic.

No, it's an Airbus test layout.

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 28):
Singapore will go with an A380 First Class on the first floor with 3 rows at four across. I am much more interested to see the Business Class with both upper and main floor seating. I wouod imagine they areg going for 60 to 75 seats.

I don't see any chance of SQ putting C class seats downstairs on the WhaleJet. They will surely go upstairs.