LHStarAlliance
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Orders To Come 2007

Wed Dec 20, 2006 5:33 am

Hello , I just wanted to ask what orders do you predict for 2007 .

A.net is speculate so please Speculate ! But with specific reason ...

Well I think :

LH : 7810 and 350

BA : 748 and 787 maybe some 380

AF/KL : 350

EY:?

JL:?


2007 will be a really interesting year ( if not the most interesting) and we will see if Airbus returns or not , there will be big orders... also some of some US legacy Airlines

Have a nice day

[Edited 2006-12-19 21:35:10]
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RE: Orders To Come 2007

Wed Dec 20, 2006 5:49 am

Well there is also:
EK: 787 vs. A350.
CX: same
AA, UA, DL: 787 vs A350 (787 favored here).
9W: 787
SQ: 772LR and 748I
IB: A350 is favored here
TAM: A350 favored here
AU: 737 vs A320 (A320 favored here)
BA: 773ER without a doubt though they may even throw in some 772LRs.
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RE: Orders To Come 2007

Wed Dec 20, 2006 6:02 am

QR - A350 or 787
QF - more 787s
I think that BA could possibly order the A350 rather than the 787

Yeah and maybe one of the US legacy's could start ordering stuff to replace their DC9/MD80s
 
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RE: Orders To Come 2007

Wed Dec 20, 2006 6:04 am

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 1):
IB: A350 is favored here

recent article suggested that the 30 787s were favoured, and an a.net discussion followed. Of course IB is known for getting the cheapest deals from Airbus by favouring Boeing in early stages- see 773ER v A346!!

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 1):
A350 favored here

TAM has already ordered the A350???!!! I would expecta few more 773ERs for growth perhaps!

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 1):
9W: 787

Really?? They've got a wash of A340s/ A330s don't they??

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Thread starter):
AF/KL : 350

well if Airbus doesn't get this one it'll be a major slap in the face and a HUGE win fr Boeing. Despite AF/KL's large B777 fleet, I think this is Airbus' one to loose!!! The A350 seems perfectly placed seat wise for them to replace all of the mid-large sized widebodies.


What about airlines like LAN wiht large 767 fleets and A340 fleets that are perhaps not as competitive as the A330/ A350 and B777/ B787 fleets of TAM and AM respectively? Could LAN place orders for either the A350 or 787 in 2007??? That one would definitely be a hard fought battle between Boeing and Airbus for South American dominance!!

MX can also be expected to place a long haul order- finally- since it's now under new ownership and perhaps it is looking to catch up to AM with international expansion!!!

other airlines- AV, JM, WestJet (long haul?), VS (748, A350), South African, QR (firming A350 and more 777s), GF (long haul?), Saudi for 777-300ERs?...

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RE: Orders To Come 2007

Wed Dec 20, 2006 6:08 am

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 3):
Really?? They've got a wash of A340s/ A330s don't they??

Yes but they´ve also some 777 on order

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 2):
Yeah and maybe one of the US legacy's could start ordering stuff to replace their DC9/MD80s

I hope so !
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RE: Orders To Come 2007

Wed Dec 20, 2006 6:09 am

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 3):
Really?? They've got a wash of A340s/ A330s don't they??

And 77Ws. They also have a very close relationship with Boeing.
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RE: Orders To Come 2007

Wed Dec 20, 2006 6:10 am

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 4):
Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 2):
Yeah and maybe one of the US legacy's could start ordering stuff to replace their DC9/MD80s

I hope so !

I think they may actually wait for Y1 to come out.
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RE: Orders To Come 2007

Wed Dec 20, 2006 6:14 am

Austrian has already said they will choose b/w Airbus/Boeing for their NB fleet next month and their WB fleet around mid 2007.
Virgin Blue will decide on 346/773ER for Trans-Pacific services starting late 2008.
Will China continue their large ordering trend from the last couple of years?
 
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RE: Orders To Come 2007

Wed Dec 20, 2006 6:17 am

NZ decides to go double or nothing again - their 787 order having gone from 2 to 4 then today to 8 will go to 16 Big grin

seriously though , I think a 773ER order will be on the cards sometime in '07 for NZ
 
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RE: Orders To Come 2007

Wed Dec 20, 2006 6:18 am

Quoting 2wingtips (Reply 7):
Austrian has already said they will choose b/w Airbus/Boeing for their NB fleet next month and their WB fleet around mid 2007.
Virgin Blue will decide on 346/773ER for Trans-Pacific services starting late 2008.

two very interesting competitions. I forgot that Virgin Blue were evaluating long haulers!!! GO 777-3ER!!!!!!!!!!
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RE: Orders To Come 2007

Wed Dec 20, 2006 6:27 am

SAS is rumoured to take 1-2 A343 from AC but with a new management you never know.

The 787 is ideal size wise for SK to replace their current longhaul fleet, SK normally doesn't keep their longhaul fleet very long. The 767s were kept roughly 10 years delivered between 1989 and 1992.

The current A330/340 fleet was delivered between 2001 and 2004, by the time SAS would get delivery positions for the 787 or A350, the fleet would be nearing 10 years old, so you never know 2007 is as good a year to order as any, especially since the company seems to be performing well again.

The SAS fleet past and present:
http://www.plane-spotter.com/Airlines/SAS/The_fleet.pdf
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RE: Orders To Come 2007

Wed Dec 20, 2006 7:15 am

With strong sales this year and last 2007 should be interesting, but maybe not as strong. I think one issue will be the value of the planes airlines want to replace. If on lease there should be no problems, but if they own the planes then used plane prices might be a bit low because of the previous 2 year sales.

One interesting area to watch is QF if the company sale goes through. Will the new owners look at the 787 order with the same level of support as QF had when they placed the order?

The 748i will also be interesting to watch, especially with BA and CX. I think that SQ might take a second look at the 748i, especially if there are more problems with the 380. (OK, I'm an optimist on the 748i . . .)

I don't see US legacies placing any large orders in 2007, but if it is a good year then they may start in 2008.

The most important question for me is the potential of Boeing announcing Y1 before the end of 2007.
 
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RE: Orders To Come 2007

Wed Dec 20, 2006 7:21 am

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 11):
I don't see US legacies placing any large orders in 2007, but if it is a good year then they may start in 2008.

You are kidding aren't you. AA and DL in particular have flagged 2007 orders recently and Boeing themselves expect US legacy carrier orders in 2007.
 
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RE: Orders To Come 2007

Wed Dec 20, 2006 7:42 am

I expect Aer Lingus to choose between the 787 and A350; they should have done it before now.

I expect BA and CX to make a broadly similar choice: 748/787 -v- A350/A380; I expect that Boeing will definitely win at CX and more than likely at BA; I would also expect BA to order more 777-300ERs.

Asiana: 787 - possibly A380 too, but it may wait.

Qantas: possibly 772LR if Boeing can prove it can do the needful on SYD-LON. If QF does order the 772LR, I'd expect the 773ER to be ordered as well, although not necessarily at the same time.

I also expect to see a significant number of M/E orders:

Kuwait Airways: 787
Gulf Air: 787
Saudi Arabian: 787
Royal Jordanian: 787
Oman: 787 (possibly on lease)
Etihad: 787
Emirates: 787

Qatar: A350.
 
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RE: Orders To Come 2007

Wed Dec 20, 2006 7:47 am

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 8):
NZ decides to go double or nothing again - their 787 order having gone from 2 to 4 then today to 8 will go to 16

Maybe then they can fly to India-DEL/BOM...i am hoping from AKL  Smile
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RE: Orders To Come 2007

Wed Dec 20, 2006 7:57 am

Although at least AA will probably order many B737 we might not see as many orders for narrowbodies than in 2005 and 2006.

2007 could very well become the year of the widebodies with sizeable orders for the B787 and the A350 and probably the B777, although it will be interesting to see if the A350 will start to "devastate" (to quote Zvezda) the B777. Some orders for the A380 and the B748 are also possible.

Even if 2007 might not be as strong as 2005 and 2006 in terms of frames, due to their enormous backlogs Boeing and Airbus will be busy for years to come. Good times for the industry, but they may not last forever. After all, it has been a cyclical business in the past.
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RE: Orders To Come 2007

Wed Dec 20, 2006 8:00 am

Well AA will have to order some 787s soon if they dont want to operate a really old fleet of 763ERs and A300s!!
Also they have the massive fleet od MDs they will have to replace and also they wont be able to find many 738s from Boeing for a while unless they lease them.

I know BA have ten slots held for some 777s for like 2010 (dont quote me on the year). I think BA will order Boeing (although Willie Walsh seems to favour Airbus when he was at Aer Lingus). Also with the 748 onlyy being powered by GE and BA preferring RR it might be advantage airbus (even though some of there origional T7s were GE powered!). I think it will actually be T7s and then A380s and then well the 787 v. A350 is too hard to see yet ( i hope it will be the 787!)
 
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RE: Orders To Come 2007

Wed Dec 20, 2006 9:18 am

CI are supposed to finally s... or get off the pot on their 10 aircraft widebody longhaul requirement they have put off from this year to replace earlier 744s. I'll bet on the 747-8I. Then I 'll also bet on 747-8Fs to replace their 21 744Fs mid to late next decade
Then they will need to decide on the A343 replacements. A may have the advantage there for a A359 given all those new A333s they just got. Plus the oldest A343 will only be 12 years when the A350 EIS happens (if it happens!!) so the timing will be good. which could then see them getting A350-1000s for the later 744s
 
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RE: Orders To Come 2007

Wed Dec 20, 2006 11:03 am

With all these large 787 orders you guys are predicting, how much of a backlog will the 787 line have this time next year? Isn't the line pretty much already booked solid thru 2011 or 2012? If Boeing does get this many 787 orders next year, soon it's going to get to the point where airlines will be able to get an A350 before a 787 slot is available.
 
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RE: Orders To Come 2007

Wed Dec 20, 2006 11:14 am

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 13):
Qantas: possibly 772LR if Boeing can prove it can do the needful on SYD-LON. If QF does order the 772LR, I'd expect the 773ER to be ordered as well, although not necessarily at the same time.

Whats the one got to do with the other?

B722ULR IF its developed into the machine QF want, certainly, the B773???

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RE: Orders To Come 2007

Wed Dec 20, 2006 12:25 pm

JL: Unless they are planning to downsize from 747s to 787s, a top off order for 773ER/772ER could be in the works. Deliveries from 2008 to 2010. All classic 747s to be retired during this period plus some 744s being converted to 744BCFs.

NH: A few more 773ERs to replace the last of the 744s.

Skynet Asia: Replace the 734s with 737NGs. In the big picture not a very big order, but how about another 10-12 738s.
 
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RE: Orders To Come 2007

Wed Dec 20, 2006 5:49 pm

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 1):
IB: A350 is favored here

No, the 787 is the favor here due to a earlier EIS date.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 11):
I don't see US legacies placing any large orders in 2007, but if it is a good year then they may start in 2008.

UA and AA are both looking to... Look for Mid-year. They are looking more at slots and time frames for delivery rather than if and when.

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 13):
Qatar: A350.

Don't they have to sign something first? Come on almost 2years running here on this one. Baker sees something he does not like now.

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 20):
NH: A few more 773ERs to replace the last of the 744s.

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RE: Orders To Come 2007

Wed Dec 20, 2006 11:22 pm

I think SQ is out for 748i as CEO keeps saying it is a 30 yr+ design, and today firming up the 9 380s and optioning another 6. They may be a good candidate for 748F.

CO, AC, QF exercising some of the 787 options.

Who will be new to 787? Perhaps WestJet.

AA, DL, UA for 787

As far as all these new 787s are concerned and the prod backlog, we will see Boeing annnouncing expanded production starting in 2009. They said already they ant to wait 2 years to see how the prod methods and processes and to ease the supplier base production increases as well.

2007 will be an interesting year for both 350 and 787.

Will we see Emirates order 787 and Qatar firming up 350 or switching to 787? I do not know. If 787-10 is offered to the liking of EK, then it would be a grandslam,
 
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RE: Orders To Come 2007

Thu Dec 21, 2006 12:01 am

Quoting Mptpa (Reply 22):
I think SQ is out for 748i as CEO keeps saying it is a 30 yr+ design, and today firming up the 9 380s and optioning another 6. They may be a good candidate for 748F.

Forget a SQ 748 but SQ cargo will order the 748 or the 777F
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RE: Orders To Come 2007

Thu Dec 21, 2006 12:25 am

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 23):
Forget a SQ 748 but SQ cargo will order the 748 or the 777F

I agree- T think SQ might place another large 777 order, a few more 773ERs, the long awaited 772LR and 777F.

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RE: Orders To Come 2007

Thu Dec 21, 2006 3:25 am

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 13):
I also expect to see a significant number of M/E orders:

Royal Jordanian: 787
Oman: 787 (possibly on lease)

Told you so!

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 19):
Quoting Kaitak (Reply 13):
Qantas: possibly 772LR if Boeing can prove it can do the needful on SYD-LON. If QF does order the 772LR, I'd expect the 773ER to be ordered as well, although not necessarily at the same time.

Whats the one got to do with the other?

Common type rating, long range aircraft, same engines. Good replacement for 743s and early 744s. Doesn't seem implausible to me?
 
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RE: Orders To Come 2007

Thu Dec 21, 2006 3:44 am

Quoting Albird87 (Reply 16):
Well AA will have to order some 787s soon if they dont want to operate a really old fleet of 763ERs and A300s!!
Also they have the massive fleet od MDs they will have to replace and also they wont be able to find many 738s from Boeing for a while unless they lease them.

AA will not order any new airplanes until negotiations are complete and greed apon with TWU/APA/APFA. 2008 at the very earliest
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RE: Orders To Come 2007

Thu Dec 21, 2006 3:51 am

My predictions:

Lufthansa City Line Bombardier CRJ 900 or E-Jets
Lufthansa additional A32x as 737 replacement (sadly as I am huge 737 fan)
Lufthansa Cargo 747-8F or 777F

BA:350/747-8/A380

AF/KLM:A350

EK:350
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RE: Orders To Come 2007

Mon Dec 25, 2006 6:15 am

In 2007, what I think for the wide body a/c:

AA: 50 787s
DL: 50 787s
LH: 30 787s or A350s
BA: 10 77Ws,5 77Ls,10 748s, 30 787s, 5 A380s
EK: 50 A350s
IB: 30 A350s
AF/KL: I don't think that there will be a 787/A350 order this year
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RE: Orders To Come 2007

Mon Dec 25, 2006 7:50 am

I would be very surprised to see the number of A350 orders that some of the posters in this thread expect.

This aircraft does not EIS until mid-2013. What's the hurry?

We haven't even heard with any certainty what the customers for the earlier versions are going to do. How will Airbus determine exactly what slots are available before they come to some final disposition on these earlier orders?

The unprecedented delays with the A380 and the on-again-off-again nature of the A350 program have consequences. This is not business as usual for Airbus. They must restore consumer confidence BEFORE airlines trip over themselves to order scads of A350s.

Assuming Airbus makes steady progress I'm sure the A350 will be a fine and popular aircraft, but considering the very inconsistent history of this development program to date, most airlines are going to be reluctant to jump on it at this stage.
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RE: Orders To Come 2007

Mon Dec 25, 2006 8:53 am

Quoting Albird87 (Reply 16):
Also they have the massive fleet od MDs they will have to replace and also they wont be able to find many 738s from Boeing for a while unless they lease them.

There was here in a.net a discussion about a hypothetical AA/Airbus deal for purchasing A-320's ...but seems very odd a 320 with AA metal  Wink ...though I would like to see it!
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RE: Orders To Come 2007

Mon Dec 25, 2006 9:45 am

Not a big one, but I'm expecting AY to order 2-3 more A340-300s to fill the gap between the end of current order deliveries and the arrival of A350s.
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RE: Orders To Come 2007

Mon Dec 25, 2006 10:25 am

I think you will see a major DL order once they emerge from CH. 11. I definitely see the 787 as one type they will order. I would also not be surprised to see them order the E-195 to help fill the gap between the 70 seaters (CRJ-700/900s and the E-170) and the MD-88s and 737-800s. I wouldn't be surprised if DL Connection carrier ASA were to upgrade their turboprop fleet by either ordering ATR-72-500s or the Q-400 (Personally I would think the ATR-72 would have the advantage since the airline already operates the earlier version.).
 
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RE: Orders To Come 2007

Mon Dec 25, 2006 2:14 pm

Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 29):
The unprecedented delays with the A380 and the on-again-off-again nature of the A350 program have consequences. This is not business as usual for Airbus. They must restore consumer confidence BEFORE airlines trip over themselves to order scads of A350s.

From what I have read, the specs may need to become a tad more believable as well.
 
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RE: Orders To Come 2007

Mon Dec 25, 2006 2:35 pm

Quoting Mk777 (Reply 14):
Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 8):
NZ decides to go double or nothing again - their 787 order having gone from 2 to 4 then today to 8 will go to 16

Maybe then they can fly to India-DEL/BOM...i am hoping from AKL

If NZ fly to India, then it will ONLY happen from 2010 onwards and yes it would be from AKL, cause of NZs attitude towards AKL

Expect an NZ order early 2007
 
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RE: Orders To Come 2007

Mon Dec 25, 2006 3:09 pm

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Thread starter):
LH : 7810 and 350

As I said before: my money is on LH ordering the 787. The specs just need to be right.

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 23):
Forget a SQ 748 but SQ cargo will order the 748 or the 777F

I agree about the 748F and SQ. They operate an all 747 cargo fleet, so this probably means that they need heavy lift and something that can accomodate oversized freight, and the 747 is pretty much unbeaten in that category.

Quoting SKY1 (Reply 30):
There was here in a.net a discussion about a hypothetical AA/Airbus deal for purchasing A-320's ...but seems very odd a 320 with AA metal  Wink ...though I would like to see it!

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There has also been speculations about AA and the 77L. Since DL has converted part of their 772ER orders to the 77L for destinations such as India and perhaps a nonstop to HKG from ATL, could AA eventually follow suit next year by converting part of their order to the 77L?
 
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RE: Orders To Come 2007

Mon Dec 25, 2006 4:07 pm

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 4):
Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 2):
Yeah and maybe one of the US legacy's could start ordering stuff to replace their DC9/MD80s

I hope so !

I hope not! I love the classic t-tailed rear engined Douglas aircraft. They will certainly be missed. A replacement is highly unlikely until Y1. DL is in no shape to replace the 130 plus MD-88/82/90s. Along with the 757, the MD-88s in particular are the workhorse of the fleet. AA may continue to add some 738s in the coming years and phase out the older MD-82s but with over 300 MD-82/83s in the fleet, it will take many years before they are all gone.
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RE: Orders To Come 2007

Mon Dec 25, 2006 4:26 pm

Okay I will dip in here with my prediction for my (former) hometown carrier.
NWA will exercise their options with Embraer for the EMB190/195 as a replacement for DC-9s...yes it will happen. The order will be filled over 7 years.

NW has something like 50 787 options. So...will also exercise some options for more 787-8s, convert for 787-9 and be US launch customer for the 787-10. They will convert some options for some 777-300ERs as a replacement for some older 744s. They will also order some 748F for NW Cargo. I do not see a 748i for NW but sure would be nice.

Other...
Though Carpethead may not think so I will be creative with Japan as this is speculative and fun.
JL will order 777LR for non-stops to Northern South America and parts of Africa. They will also order more CRJs for J-air ops out of NKM
NH will order more 773ERs and some more 737-700ER for their new NGO business flights.
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RE: Orders To Come 2007

Mon Dec 25, 2006 4:33 pm

I'm going to also go with a QF order for some B777s, maybe B772LRs
 
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RE: Orders To Come 2007

Tue Dec 26, 2006 6:03 am

Quoting Centrair (Reply 37):
NWA will exercise their options with Embraer for the EMB190/195 as a replacement for DC-9s...yes it will happen. The order will be filled over 7 years.

NW has something like 50 787 options. So...will also exercise some options for more 787-8s, convert for 787-9 and be US launch customer for the 787-10. They will convert some options for some 777-300ERs as a replacement for some older 744s. They will also order some 748F for NW Cargo. I do not see a 748i for NW but sure would be nice.

I think that what NW orders will be dependant on the shape of the airline industry itself. We are likely to see a wave of mergers next year and with NW having a large and very (potentially) lucrative Pacific network and not being in great financial shape, I see them being a target.

Quite apart from their financial issues, I can't see US carriers (at least the potential target carriers) making decisions until the merger deals are done - although that is also subject to acft production slots; once one moves, others will - in terms of both orders and mergers. I see UA/CO as being more likely than US/DL and once UA moves, the likelihood of a 787 order becomes a lot higher. Once UA moves, others won't want to be left behind for too much longer.

We've seen very healthy sales for the 787 so far, but I could see 2007 being better than the last few, because of these large potential orders and the need to act before the competition does. And all of this will put pressure on UA to either (a) ramp up production seriously or (b) start a second 787 line.

Potential 787 sales in 2007:
Qantas (top up, particularly if -10 launched),
NZ (similar),
CX (-9/10),
OZ (-8/9),
BA (-8/9, but -10 in due course)
KU
GF
SV
EY
EK
EI
AV
UA
AA
DL
LH?
IB?

For the smaller carriers like EI, the incentive is there to get orders in, because (a) once the big guns weigh in, a lot of early potential slots will disappear and (b) Boeing will be less keen to satisfy smaller airlines than it will be to satisfy EK, UA, BA etc.
 
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RE: Orders To Come 2007

Tue Dec 26, 2006 8:54 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 38):
I'm going to also go with a QF order for some B777s, maybe B772LRs

QF WILL NOT order the current B772LR. They may order a developement of it, if Boeing build one. If Boeing don't, then NO B777 for QF.

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 25):
Common type rating, long range aircraft, same engines. Good replacement for 743s and early 744s. Doesn't seem implausible to me?

See above for B772LR comment. As for the B773, it will not replace the B743 & early B744 because they are already being replaced by A330 and A380 aircraft. The later B744s and B744ERs dont require replacement in the short to medium term.

While a QF order is possible for a B777ULR able to do SYD/MEL-LHR non stop, with the required payload, no ULR order, NO B777 for QF. If there is a ULR order then maybe other B777 sub types will be ordered, but I think it most unlikely. There is reallyno requirement that the A380 and B787 can't meet in a suitable timeframe.

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