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Fog In LHR... Major Delays?

Wed Dec 20, 2006 7:55 pm

Hey guys,

I have a flight to LHR today... I was planned to arrive at 18:55, now crewscheduling called me and told me that I am planned at 18:25 in LHR now...

Still so foggy as I can see...

EGLL 201050Z 28004KT 0250 R27L/0400 R27R/0400 FZFG VV/// M00/M00 Q1041 NOSIG <---  boggled 


And I guess major delays and loads of cancellations?

WILCO737


[Edited 2006-12-20 11:57:07]
 
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RE: Fog In LHR... Major Delays?

Wed Dec 20, 2006 8:01 pm

I flew out to CDG from MAN on Monday morning and was delayed 90 minutes on the plane due to fog.

I then flew back to MAN yesterday and was delayed another 90 minutes due to fog! Every flight arriving at MAN was delayed over an hour.

So I guess as long as there's still fog over lhr (there seemed to be all over southern england yesterday) you'll be seeing delays. I guess this is due to increased safety margins that need to be in place. Landing at MAN yesterday was exhilarating to say the least - the first glimpse we had of ground was seconds away from landing. You couldn't clearly see beyond the runway!
 
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RE: Fog In LHR... Major Delays?

Wed Dec 20, 2006 8:09 pm

Quoting WILCO737 (Thread starter):
I have a flight to LHR today... I was planned to arrive at 18:55, now crewscheduling called me and told me that I am planned at 18:25 in LHR now...

Earlier?  Smile

Fog last night was causing us ground holds ITR of 60 minutes. There are currently approximately 30 minute departure delays. Arriving aircraft are also holding around 15-25 minutes, with further delays on the ground waiting for available stands.

Lots of de-icing delays also. Fog not due to lift much all day.

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RE: Fog In LHR... Major Delays?

Wed Dec 20, 2006 8:10 pm

Quoting SevenHeavy (Reply 2):
Arriving aircraft are also holding around 15-25 minutes

Isnt that the normal amount of holding inbound to LHR Big grin

Quoting SevenHeavy (Reply 2):
There are currently approximately 30 minute departure delays.

Longest I had to wait in LHR was 60 minutes.... but no fog or snow or so...
So its basically normal ops in LHR  Wink

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RE: Fog In LHR... Major Delays?

Wed Dec 20, 2006 8:42 pm

Seems to be the usual situation at LHR - long haul flights more or less on time and connecting flights heavily delayed or cancelled. I suppose if you're flying long haul, as long as you come from London you'll be fine.

We've had no diversions at all here at MAN today so it can't be that bad.
 
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RE: Fog In LHR... Major Delays?

Wed Dec 20, 2006 8:46 pm

so its just a normal LHR day then!!!


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RE: Fog In LHR... Major Delays?

Wed Dec 20, 2006 8:59 pm

Quoting Candid76 (Reply 4):
I suppose if you're flying long haul, as long as you come from London you'll be fine.

Well, I come from HAM, but I wont miss my connecting flight back to HAM, because I am the one flying the aircraft Big grin

I just wanted to know if I can expect an on schedule landing in HAM or if I will be later in the hotel than expected Big grin

Thanks for the info!
I can let you know how it actually worked out tonight around 11pm, then I am back in the hotel and can write a report  Wink

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RE: Fog In LHR... Major Delays?

Wed Dec 20, 2006 9:01 pm

Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 6):

How Long are you staying at LHR?


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RE: Fog In LHR... Major Delays?

Wed Dec 20, 2006 9:06 pm

Quoting Express1 (Reply 7):
How Long are you staying at LHR?

Well, roughly 50 minutes... Turnaround time for our flight back to HAM

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RE: Fog In LHR... Major Delays?

Wed Dec 20, 2006 9:07 pm

SOU suffered badly yesterday, and more so Flybe.

FR reporting on it's website flight cancellations yesterday and today (knock on) from "adverse" weather.
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RE: Fog In LHR... Major Delays?

Wed Dec 20, 2006 9:15 pm

From what I can see, most Flybes to/from Birmingham have been cancelled. I am supposed to be flying through there on Saturday and frankly, at this stage, I am thinking I should make alternative plans. I am flying from JER to BHX and then on to DUB, but I will have to try and fly through London. This being Christmas weekend, I just don't want to end up being stuck here.
 
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RE: Fog In LHR... Major Delays?

Wed Dec 20, 2006 9:53 pm

All BA domestic flights to/from LHR are now cancelled.
 
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RE: Fog In LHR... Major Delays?

Wed Dec 20, 2006 10:06 pm

My mum was four hours late yesterday on LH Heathrow-Frankfurt. Three hours delay due to the fog then another hour of offloading bags because they left people behind. They got as far as the runway before realising that one of the people was missing.
 
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RE: Fog In LHR... Major Delays?

Wed Dec 20, 2006 10:10 pm

Aer Lingus flight EI711/BA5711 was expected to depart to ORK at 9.50 still no word that it has arrived or even taken off. The same can be said for other EI flights out of LHR.
 
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RE: Fog In LHR... Major Delays?

Wed Dec 20, 2006 10:15 pm

Quoting Superhub (Reply 11):
All BA domestic flights to/from LHR are now cancelled.

Due to fog across the southern part of the United Kingdom,all remaining [BA] Domestic flights into and out of London Heathrow have been cancelled today, Wednesday 20 December 2006.

All customers travelling today are advised to check the status of their flight before they leave for the airport.

https://ukprepin.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/ukprepin.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=2447

[Edited 2006-12-20 14:16:12]
 
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RE: Fog In LHR... Major Delays?

Wed Dec 20, 2006 10:24 pm

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 10):
I am supposed to be flying through there on Saturday and frankly, at this stage, I am thinking I should make alternative plans.

A quick check on the BBC five day weather forecast shows that this weather is likely to go through to weekend, so it may be worthwhile looking at alternatives.
 
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RE: Fog In LHR... Major Delays?

Wed Dec 20, 2006 10:55 pm

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RE: Fog In LHR... Major Delays?

Wed Dec 20, 2006 11:10 pm

Most of the UK was bad yesterday - generally it has improved today, though most airports are still suffering reduced visibility.
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RE: Fog In LHR... Major Delays?

Thu Dec 21, 2006 2:11 am

I am listening to AMS ATC and about 20 minutes ago a BMI A319 got informed that all LHR flights have a 5 hour delay! He said they would hold the boarding.

5 Hours, man thats gotta hurt.

Have a nice trip though Phil  Smile

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RE: Fog In LHR... Major Delays?

Thu Dec 21, 2006 2:21 am

160 out of 400 BA short haul flights cancelled. One of our clients just called from LHR saying he's going home because the place is a total zoo and will try again tomorrow. The BBC website suggests 48 hrs more of fog over SE England, then clear and rtn on Xmas day.
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RE: Fog In LHR... Major Delays?

Thu Dec 21, 2006 2:23 am

All BA's European flights have been cancelled up until 1930 this evening. A select few are due to depart after this. Longhaul flights operating as normal and all domestics cancelled up until lunch time tomorrow

Quoting Willo (Reply 15):
A quick check on the BBC five day weather forecast shows that this weather is likely to go through to weekend

Your not wrong, we have been advised that this is to continue for the next couple of days and fog may affect airport Ops until the weekend.

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RE: Fog In LHR... Major Delays?

Thu Dec 21, 2006 3:39 am

Well i was at LHR today, and it was pretty bad. I stood next to Hatton Cross and couldn't even see the aircraft landing on 27L. From the BA maintenance centre, aircraft queueing for departure on 27R weren't visible. They were operating mixed mode all the time i was there, i guess so that aircraft queueing for departure could be spaced out.

I had a look around all the terminals - At 15:20, T1's international arrivals board across 3 TVs only got up to 14:40. T2's arrivals/departures area was crammed with passengers with delays/cancellations. The check in area was only accessible to those checking in, and you had to wait for an announcement that your flight was open for check in before you were allowed to enter. T3's check in area was again only open to travellers, and the arrivals area was packed.

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RE: Fog In LHR... Major Delays?

Thu Dec 21, 2006 4:25 am

Sky news & BBC news are reporting all BA domestic flights tomorrow from LHR are also cancelled now.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13558041,00.html

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RE: Fog In LHR... Major Delays?

Thu Dec 21, 2006 4:43 am

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6197007.stm

In addition to domestic flights

"The firm said a significant number of European flights, including routes to Paris and Brussels served by the Eurostar, will also be grounded."

Another bad day for BA and their travellers.
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RE: Fog In LHR... Major Delays?

Thu Dec 21, 2006 4:49 am

well, my flight got canceled as well... HAM-LHR-HAM

now I am in the hotel in HAM and did nothing today, except flying dead head to HAM... And it was so enjoyable that one of the F/As throw some TOMATOEjuice all over my white shirt  Sad

Oh what a day...

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RE: Fog In LHR... Major Delays?

Thu Dec 21, 2006 4:53 am

Phil, just out of interest, were u supposed to be piloting the LH4794?

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RE: Fog In LHR... Major Delays?

Thu Dec 21, 2006 4:54 am

Quoting BAW076 (Reply 25):
Phil, just out of interest, were u supposed to be piloting the LH4794?

Yeah, I was rostered for the LH4794 and LH4795... but then they changed it to LH4792 and LH4795 due to some operational reasons... but before I reached HAM they got canceled... so no LHR  Sad

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RE: Fog In LHR... Major Delays?

Thu Dec 21, 2006 4:57 am

Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 26):
Yeah, I was rostered for the LH4794 and LH4795... but then they changed it to LH4792 and LH4795 due to some operational reasons... but before I reached HAM they got canceled... so no LHR

That's a shame, I would have waved as you went overhead before lining up for 27R!   

Chris   

EDIT: Actually I wouldn't have waved... a) Because its too cold outside, and b) Heathrow runway ops has just switched to 09L/09R. !!

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RE: Fog In LHR... Major Delays?

Thu Dec 21, 2006 5:00 am

Quoting BAW076 (Reply 27):

yeah, what a pity... would've been cool to fly a CAT III approach into LHR... but NO...  Sad

Then you can wave at me the next time... Big grin

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RE: Fog In LHR... Major Delays?

Thu Dec 21, 2006 6:30 am

Ha!
Im due to Check in an Aer Arran in the morning LTN-WAT, looking at conditions now I doubt ill get as far as opening check-in!
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RE: Fog In LHR... Major Delays?

Thu Dec 21, 2006 7:56 am

Are particular aircraft types affected.
 
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RE: Fog In LHR... Major Delays?

Thu Dec 21, 2006 11:06 am

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 30):
Are particular aircraft types affected

Fog affects every a/c type.

The flow rates are reduced from around 45/hr to around 27/hr to increase approach spacing due to extended runway times in lo-vis operations as the f/deck crew locate the runway turn off's in the poor visibility. They also cannot issue landing clearances to the following a/c until the preceeding a/c has crossed the CATIII hold line which is set further from the runway than the CATI/II hold line.

I myself have come up with a contraption that would be perfect in situations like this to increase visibility and flow rates, now if only I had a few million ££ to build it, and get it certified... cloudnine ...but I can't even afford the £800 to get it patented, so until then all the designs are safely stored where nobody excpet moi can access them - just hope I don't have memory loss !!.

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RE: Fog In LHR... Major Delays?

Thu Dec 21, 2006 6:42 pm

Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 31):
I myself have come up with a contraption that would be perfect in situations like this to increase visibility

A big fan?  Wink
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RE: Fog In LHR... Major Delays?

Thu Dec 21, 2006 6:57 pm

I was reflecting that it must have at least 40 years ago that a BEA Trident 1E made the first auto land in Cat III conditions at LHR, and 25-30 years ago when all other planes (including the newer 737s) were grounded at LHR and other European fog-bound airports, BEA’s Trident fleet maintained a near normal schedule in 50m of fog. Seems that auto land (and airport navigational aids to cope with taxying in fog) have not advanced much in 40 years, judging by the chaos yesterday at LHR etc.

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RE: Fog In LHR... Major Delays?

Thu Dec 21, 2006 7:30 pm

I understood from the news last night that some aircraft could fly with 150M visability and others could not.
 
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RE: Fog In LHR... Major Delays?

Thu Dec 21, 2006 7:44 pm

well the weather this morning is reporting that fog is here to stay lat least until the weekend,there is a high pressure over cardiff that's producing this crap weather,and due to lack of wind,their's no chance of this fog lifting.

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RE: Fog In LHR... Major Delays?

Thu Dec 21, 2006 7:47 pm

Aircraft may be capable of a CatIIIa landing but the crew also need to be certified. It isn't as simple as looking at the aircraft type.

I'm at Manchester and we've had diversions this morning from Gatwick, Luton, Stansted (an EOS 757) but not Heathrow? Anyone able to report how it's going at LHR? Can't be that bad?
 
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RE: Fog In LHR... Major Delays?

Thu Dec 21, 2006 8:04 pm

BA Gatwick has been crazy for the last couple of days although we have faired a bit better than LHR.

On Tuesday night I was meeting the PLH/NQY flight and i was on stand 553 I could not see pier 6 which was a mere 200m away!!!

It seems that LGW is better faired for Fog seeing as we are prone to it.

It does get annoying when your trying to explain to pax that your flight is delayed due to fog and its perfectly clear outside!!!!

One thing that has totally peed me off is the lack of help from the BAA for trying to get pax through security, they will not allow us to push late pax to the front and BA are not holding aircraft!!

I hope the weather improves soon, cos us staff are just as frustrated as the passengers!!

LGW-EDI 15.30 is being ops on a triple 7 most of our domestic flights are cancelled today.

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RE: Fog In LHR... Major Delays?

Thu Dec 21, 2006 10:51 pm

Am in the VS Club in T3 right now. The weather outside is awful! I came in on an EI flight from DUB, almost 2hrs delayed taking off due to slot restrictions,and then 1.5hrs inflight due to a very long hold pattern. The amazing thing was that full flaps and the wheels were down before we entered the fog bank (just shows how low it was!) and then we landed after the ground appeared at about 50 feet below us. When we parked on stand I could only see the 2 aircraft next to us before the rest disappeared into the mist!

T3 is ok as most long haul flights are getting away, but there are delays, and T1 was busier, but I think people are staying away with so many short flights already cancelled.

While I hope I get out, it is very interesting to see the place still open and working (albeit slower!) considering the fact that you can't see more then about 2 to 3 plane lengths in front of you!
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RE: Fog In LHR... Major Delays?

Thu Dec 21, 2006 11:31 pm

Latest news is that all BA domestic flights have been canceled for tomorow, 3rd day in a row.

Quoting Candid76 (Reply 38):
Aircraft may be capable of a CatIIIa landing but the crew also need to be certified. It isn't as simple as looking at the aircraft type.

And they also need to be able to see where they are going once they're taxing, and that's one of the problems, since I doubt BAA want airport vehicles being sucked into aircrat engines (although it's unlikely, it could happen).

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RE: Fog In LHR... Major Delays?

Thu Dec 21, 2006 11:46 pm

Can someone explain why is BA doing so badly? So hated Ryanair has not canceled any flight out of London (so far).

[Edited 2006-12-21 15:59:07]
 
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RE: Fog In LHR... Major Delays?

Thu Dec 21, 2006 11:48 pm

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 41):
Latest news is that all BA domestic flights have been canceled for tomorow, 3rd day in a row.

Yep, according to sky news http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13558169,00.html

"All domestic British Airways flights from Heathrow will be grounded tomorrow heaping more misery on the 40,000 people already stranded at the airport.

With London set to be cloaked in fog well into the weekend, officials say they have no choice but to scrap more services.

So far, 100 have been axed, including some international flights into Europe, where Paris and Brussels have also been hit.

BA cancelled around 184 flights from Heathrow today and 16 from Gatwick. Other airports across the UK have also been hit."

Quoting Danny (Reply 42):
Can someone explain why is BA doing so badly? So hated Ryanair has not cancel any flight out of London (so far).

Ryanair don't fly out of LHR and the other London airports don't seem to be cancelling many flights - presumably as they don't normally operate at such high capacity as LHR ?

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RE: Fog In LHR... Major Delays?

Thu Dec 21, 2006 11:53 pm

Does anyone know how Virgin are doing? I'm due to fly home on VS12 in a few days...

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RE: Fog In LHR... Major Delays?

Thu Dec 21, 2006 11:54 pm

Quoting Danny (Reply 42):
Can someone explain why is BA doing so badly? So hated Ryanair has not cancel any flight out of London (so far).

1) LHR is BA's main base, and since LHR is so badly affected, that means BA is too.
2) FR don't fly out of LHR and Stansted isn't as effected as LHR.

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RE: Fog In LHR... Major Delays?

Thu Dec 21, 2006 11:57 pm

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 45):
1) LHR is BA's main base, and since LHR is so badly affected, that means BA is too.
2) FR don't fly out of LHR and Stansted isn't as effected as LHR.

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Stansted has actually slightly worse weather than Heathrow (less visibility), yet they are doing fine.
 
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RE: Fog In LHR... Major Delays?

Fri Dec 22, 2006 12:00 am

Quoting 9VSIO (Reply 44):
Does anyone know how Virgin are doing? I'm due to fly home on VS12 in a few days...

Departures
21/12/2006 13:00 VS900 TOKYO AIRBORNE 1423
21/12/2006 14:00 VS045 NEW YORK TAXIED 1455
21/12/2006 14:30 VS250 SHANGHAI LAST CALL
21/12/2006 15:00 VS023 LOS ANGELES DELAYED 1630
21/12/2006 15:05 VS011 BOSTON LAST CALL

Arrivals
21/12/2006 11:45 VS008 LOS ANGELES EXPECTED 1537
21/12/2006 12:50 VS401 DUBAI EXPECTED 1457
21/12/2006 15:20 VS7937 BEIJING EXPECTED 1613
21/12/2006 15:30 VS024 LOS ANGELES EXPECTED 1610
21/12/2006 15:45 VS901 TOKYO EXPECTED 1530
21/12/2006 16:05 VS251 SHANGHAI EXPECTED 1641
21/12/2006 16:55 VS301 DELHI EXPECTED 1708
21/12/2006 17:50 VS652 LAGOS EXPECTED 1722
21/12/2006 18:35 VS351 MUMBAI EXPECTED 2116
21/12/2006 18:45 VS7320 SINGAPORE EXPECTED 1828
21/12/2006 19:15 VS026 NEW YORK EXPECTED 1924
21/12/2006 20:00 VS018 NEWARK EXPECTED 2002

Fingers crossed you may be ok... Good luck  Smile

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RE: Fog In LHR... Major Delays?

Fri Dec 22, 2006 12:44 am

I am meant to be going on holiday on the 27th from MAN, is it as foggy in MAN as LHR.

  

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RE: Fog In LHR... Major Delays?

Fri Dec 22, 2006 12:58 am

Back from a hectic Morning at LGW.

Mainly our domestic flights which took the brunt of the problems today, some delays on European services and US/Caribbean but nothing of note.

We managed to get 1x GLA, MAN, INV, IOM out this morning and as LGWspeedbird said a T7 ops the 15:30 LGW-EDI (G-VIIT) to try and pick up most of the pax displaced by earlier canx flights.

This afternoon we have (planned!) at least one departure to NCL, MAN, GLA, JER, IOM, ABZ albeit with delays, Heathrow has faired worse I think.

The good folk at BA Gatwick will get what they can flying even if some staff stayed in bed today today but those people can enjoy what tomorrow brings!

[Edited 2006-12-21 17:02:01]
 
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RE: Fog In LHR... Major Delays?

Fri Dec 22, 2006 2:29 am

Weren't to bad this morning!

Although....

Flight No. tAirport tSTD tETD tFlight Status
RE506 tGalway t09:30 t17:45 tEstimated 17:45
AEU751 tOvda t09:30 t18:00 tEstimated 18:00

The Ovda flight this morning check-ed in on the desk next to me, Before I left work we advised these passengers that the next Info would be at 1000... Damn!

Their operating A/C is coming in from LGW... which is the cause of the delay.. I hope tomorrow is better...
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RE: Fog In LHR... Major Delays?

Fri Dec 22, 2006 2:34 am

Is the AEU flight to Ovda from LTN op on a 752? The AEU 757 ops from LGW are up the pole today with diversions this morning causing havoc.

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