Dreamflight767
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Odd Westjet Hawaii Ops. Via SFO

Fri Dec 22, 2006 4:33 am

The past few days WJA 964 (YVR-HNL) & WJA 962 (YVR-HOG) have operated YVR-SFO-HNL/YVR-SFO-HOG respectively. Is this due to strong winds over the Pacific? Or is this new scheduled/charter/seasonal service?

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CAPTYXU
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RE: Odd Westjet Hawaii Ops. Via SFO

Fri Dec 22, 2006 4:52 am

Can't make it there with a full load and passengers with a 737 when there are storms going on in the pacific where as Air Canada can go around it with there 767's.
 
threepoint
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RE: Odd Westjet Hawaii Ops. Via SFO

Fri Dec 22, 2006 5:12 am

Quoting Dreamflight767 (Thread starter):
Is this due to strong winds over the Pacific?

Yes. Makes you wonder how they'd fare on a transatlantic crossing using the same planes. Hello KEF.
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flyorski
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RE: Odd Westjet Hawaii Ops. Via SFO

Fri Dec 22, 2006 5:15 am

Transatlantic will not make it with small planes. Copa had problems in Panama, until the new diversion airport opened, and they flew relatively short distances.
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RE: Odd Westjet Hawaii Ops. Via SFO

Fri Dec 22, 2006 5:29 am

Quoting Flyorski (Reply 3):
Transatlantic will not make it with small planes.

Yeah, you're right. I crunched the numbers using very unscientific methods (A.net range figures and GC Mapper) and found a 737-700 could fly YYT-KEF, but just barely, assuming little headwind. Forget about departing from YYZ, YUL or YHZ...
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RE: Odd Westjet Hawaii Ops. Via SFO

Fri Dec 22, 2006 6:04 am

Quoting Threepoint (Reply 4):
Yeah, you're right. I crunched the numbers using very unscientific methods (A.net range figures and GC Mapper) and found a 737-700 could fly YYT-KEF, but just barely, assuming little headwind. Forget about departing from YYZ, YUL or YHZ...

Well AC will be flying YYT-LHR this spring with a 319. Not sure how a 319's range compares with a 737-700, but I guess they think it can work.

Quoting CAPTYXU (Reply 1):
Can't make it there with a full load and passengers with a 737 when there are storms going on in the pacific where as Air Canada can go around it with there 767's.

Also, WS regularly takes a payload restriction on these flights forcing them to send much of the luggage on other carriers. Harmony really used this to their advantage in their aggressive marketing for the YYC-HNL. I saw an ad that said something like "We'll have you on the beach before Westjet gets you out of Vancouver, complete with your belongings" hehe.

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RE: Odd Westjet Hawaii Ops. Via SFO

Fri Dec 22, 2006 7:07 am

Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 5):
Also, WS regularly takes a payload restriction on these flights forcing them to send much of the luggage on other carriers. Harmony really used this to their advantage in their aggressive marketing for the YYC-HNL. I saw an ad that said something like "We'll have you on the beach before Westjet gets you out of Vancouver, complete with your belongings" hehe.

I ask my self "why would they do it" back when they announced it, I mean there were others using 737 to HNL with mega restriction, then it came to me: it is prep work for the "T7" YVR-HNL-SYD..........  Wink Big grin

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RE: Odd Westjet Hawaii Ops. Via SFO

Fri Dec 22, 2006 7:22 am

I wonder then how Aloha Airlines operations are doing then since they only use the 737-700 and fly from California markets to Hawaii, wonder if they are having any ops problems or if they are just taking off pax to increase fuel
 
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RE: Odd Westjet Hawaii Ops. Via SFO

Fri Dec 22, 2006 8:25 am

More to do with ETOPS restrictions rather than flying around storms.
 
swissy
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RE: Odd Westjet Hawaii Ops. Via SFO

Fri Dec 22, 2006 8:32 am

Quoting Flyboy7974 (Reply 7):
I wonder then how Aloha Airlines operations are doing then since they only use the 737-700 and fly from California markets to Hawaii, wonder if they are having any ops problems or if they are just taking off pax to increase fuel

Well it did not go to good out of YVR....... but hey that is the trend now use
SI aircrafts to fly around the world.... however I am sure the next gen. AC from AB & B will address these issues.....  Wink

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RE: Odd Westjet Hawaii Ops. Via SFO

Fri Dec 22, 2006 8:35 am

Wouldn't LAX be better than San Fran for a tech stop???
 
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RE: Odd Westjet Hawaii Ops. Via SFO

Fri Dec 22, 2006 8:45 am

Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 5):
Well AC will be flying YYT-LHR this spring with a 319. Not sure how a 319's range compares with a 737-700, but I guess they think it can work.

I've been thinking about this for a bit and have decided somebody familiar with range & payload on the 737-700 needs to weigh in here. Surely the range differential between that and a 319 can't be too much. And Air Pacific flies YVR-HNL-NAN using the 737 which has legs over 3000nm. Methinks the 737-700 performance will allow a nonstop transatlantic flight.
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RE: Odd Westjet Hawaii Ops. Via SFO

Fri Dec 22, 2006 8:47 am

Quoting Juventus (Reply 10):
Wouldn't LAX be better than San Fran for a tech stop???

Definitely not -- further East and further South. LAX is further from both Hawaii and Vancouver than SFO is.
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jacobin777
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RE: Odd Westjet Hawaii Ops. Via SFO

Fri Dec 22, 2006 9:52 am

Quoting Threepoint (Reply 4):
and found a 737-700 could fly YYT-KEF, but just barely, assuming little headwind. Forget about departing from YYZ, YUL or YHZ...

Actually that would be incorrect....YYT-KEF is only a mere 1393nm..a B737-700 could do 3365nm (standard Boeing values with still air range)...

Quoting Threepoint (Reply 11):
Methinks the 737-700 performance will allow a nonstop transatlantic flight.

 checkmark ..that's more like it, in fact, it could easily do YYT-STN without any problems...
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RE: Odd Westjet Hawaii Ops. Via SFO

Fri Dec 22, 2006 10:02 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 13):
Actually that would be incorrect....YYT-KEF is only a mere 1393nm..a B737-700 could do 3365nm (standard Boeing values with still air range)...

You're right, YYT-KEF is absolutely no problem for the 737-700. In fact, years ago, Icelandair operated YHZ-KEF, about 400 miles farther, with the 737-400.
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psyops
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RE: Odd Westjet Hawaii Ops. Via SFO

Fri Dec 22, 2006 10:16 am

FWIW, I flew to OGG on Westjet last year from YVR. No tech stop, 738.

Pete
 
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RE: Odd Westjet Hawaii Ops. Via SFO

Fri Dec 22, 2006 10:43 am

Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 14):

You're right, YYT-KEF is absolutely no problem for the 737-700. In fact, years ago, Icelandair operated YHZ-KEF, about 400 miles farther, with the 737-400.

That would have been a fun flight!

Quoting Psyops (Reply 15):
FWIW, I flew to OGG on Westjet last year from YVR. No tech stop, 738.

..given that the B737-7 has more range than the B737-8, I wouldn't expect to see too many tech stops for WestJet..
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RE: Odd Westjet Hawaii Ops. Via SFO

Sat Dec 23, 2006 1:57 am

Astraeus operated LGW-YDF charters on a 148 seat 737-700 last year, and this year returns with a LGW-YDT-YYT twice weekly service starting in mid-Jan. The range is no problem, it's shorter than some of our Egyptian / West African routes.
 
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RE: Odd Westjet Hawaii Ops. Via SFO

Sun Dec 24, 2006 3:20 pm

Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 5):
Also, WS regularly takes a payload restriction on these flights forcing them to send much of the luggage on other carriers.

Make a tech stop for extra fuel to meet ETOPS regulations - yes. Offload luggage, doesn't happen.
 
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RE: Odd Westjet Hawaii Ops. Via SFO

Sun Dec 24, 2006 3:28 pm

Quoting Robsawatsky (Reply 18):
Make a tech stop for extra fuel to meet ETOPS regulations - yes. Offload luggage, doesn't happen.

It would be nice to see WS again @ SFO as sheduled services..
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