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DEN Airport Other Mountain West Airports Historic

Fri Dec 22, 2006 6:31 am

This DEN storm has made me wonder how other rocky mountain or snowy cities have handled the harsh storms. how long have airports been shut down. It seems that UA is doing an awful job at handling the customer service of re-routing people if you look on flyertalk. telling people with december 20th tickets they cant make it places by CHRISTMAS. are they re-routing on other airlines???

I guess the best comparision would be Salt Lake City as the other rocky mountain airports are small

particularly wondering how delta handles blizzards in SLC???

SLC i think is blessed with a more mild weather condition on the other side of the continental divide less wind, but maybe others know more. I remember seeing that SLC won some award for the best snow removal and icing in the country.

This storm is going to cost United a fortune thats for sure and loose alot of customers by poor service

Also the storm has shut down frontier as they have no other way to route people at all. how is frontier handling this
 
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RE: DEN Airport Other Mountain West Airports Historic

Fri Dec 22, 2006 6:52 am

Flyertalk is showing some sad stories right now of people being told that were leaving today they cant make it home for christmas??? if united puts people on say delta how do they pay delta for the seats?
 
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RE: DEN Airport Other Mountain West Airports Historic

Fri Dec 22, 2006 6:53 am

Quoting SlcDeltaRUmd11 (Thread starter):
telling people with december 20th tickets they cant make it places by CHRISTMAS. are they re-routing on other airlines???

I had a flight at 6AM this morning (MDW-DEN) on F9 and the earliest flight they could get me on was on Monday (Christmas) afternoon. I don't think it's just a UA thing. It's one of the busiest travel weekends and there just aren't any seats available...
 
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RE: DEN Airport Other Mountain West Airports Historic

Fri Dec 22, 2006 9:49 am

i booked to go to dubai, stopping in DC for couple of days. i am supposed to leave on chrismtas day, so wasn't sure if i am ok or not, but, i saw on the profile that people traveling between 21st and 27 are eligible to change. since i am leaving from phoenix, i will see if i can try and call and see if i can get to be on the non-stop from PHX-IAD instead of going through denver
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RE: DEN Airport Other Mountain West Airports Historic

Fri Dec 22, 2006 12:59 pm

Quoting SlcDeltaRUmd11 (Thread starter):
SLC i think is blessed with a more mild weather condition on the other side of the continental divide less wind, but maybe others know more. I remember seeing that SLC won some award for the best snow removal and icing in the country.

The Wasatch Front is exposed to the Great Basin rather than the Great Plains (High Plains to be more precise!), so the Southern California and Arizona deserts will influence the larger weather picture at SLC, where as DEN and Colorado's Front Range all it takes is a cold polar outbreak and some moist air from Texas and the Gulf of Mexico to be sucked up into the tropical jet stream and wham! SLC isn't immune to that heavy a snowstorm however, and a good lake-effect will make a huge mess of that airport very quickly. Also SLC is highly prone to inversions since you have the eastern most Basin and Range Mountains, the Oquirrh's to the west of the valley. This can trap cold air in the valley, stagnating the air, leaving the airport in below freezing temps and make the ski resorts very balmy during high pressure weather patterns.
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RE: DEN Airport Other Mountain West Airports Historic

Fri Dec 22, 2006 1:45 pm

Quoting SlcDeltaRUmd11 (Thread starter):
This DEN storm has made me wonder how other rocky mountain or snowy cities have handled the harsh storms. how long have airports been shut down. It seems that UA is doing an awful job at handling the customer service of re-routing people if you look on flyertalk. telling people with december 20th tickets they cant make it places by CHRISTMAS. are they re-routing on other airlines???

UA and F9 are both rebooking as fast and as quickly as they can. The Localbuzz (including from my parents) is that WN is doing the best right now, as they were actually able to rebook my sisters flight into DEN on Christmas Eve, several days before UA or F9 could.

Quoting SlcDeltaRUmd11 (Thread starter):

particularly wondering how delta handles blizzards in SLC???

A blizzard shuts everything down. It's also important to note that at DEN, it tends to be the Vehicle access (Pena Blvd) that causes most of the weather problems, not the airfield. However, it's unusual to get any snow in December, unusual to get a Blizzard, unusual to get these winds, and really unusual to get all three.

DEN is also far far better then the old Stapleton airport, that had outages like this for regular snowstorms, rather then 5 year blizzards.
 
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RE: DEN Airport Other Mountain West Airports Historic

Fri Dec 22, 2006 3:26 pm

Up here in ASE the airport can be shut down for DAYS at a time, not because of snow but because of lack visibility from low ceilings, etc. Same to a lesser extent at EGE, HDN, MTJ, TEX, etc. The really terrible thing is that since the majority of our flights connect in DEN when they have problems we have problems and when we have problems they put everyone on buses and send them up the hwy...so much for the $1200 ticket slopeside. EGE is by far the safest bet for winter travel to the central rockies. YAY that our UA directs to Chicago, LAX, and SFO are getting out and as mentioned above SLC is receives much less freakish weather as the storms are dried out crossing the great basin. It should also be noted that this storm was a bit unusual in that it was a closed low that originated in socal drawing lots of moisture out of baja and the gulf of mexico and not a pacific storm which is much more typical for colorado.
 
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RE: DEN Airport Other Mountain West Airports Historic

Fri Dec 22, 2006 3:32 pm

Quoting ASEFlyer (Reply 6):
Up here in ASE the airport can be shut down for DAYS at a time, not because of snow but because of lack visibility from low ceilings, etc. Same to a lesser extent at EGE, HDN, MTJ, TEX, etc. The really terrible thing is that since the majority of our flights connect in DEN when they have problems we have problems and when we have problems they put everyone on buses and send them up the hwy

I work for a fairly large operator in the SW and I was bombarded with calls for ASE, EGE, MTJ, TEX, EGE today. Had to turn them all down. The only airport possibly open tonight in the entire erea is BJC. Not sure if it ever did open though.

ASE and EGE are difficult enough airports to get into and most Operations Manuals will not allow night landings let along blizzard crap like this. Net Jets has some of the most stringent mountinous airport requirement airports out there and they are shut down in Colorado tonight. ABQ is hard up as well.

I did have a mid make it into GJT tonight though. Nice and calm there!
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RE: DEN Airport Other Mountain West Airports Historic

Fri Dec 22, 2006 3:39 pm

Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 7):
The only airport possibly open tonight in the entire erea is BJC. Not sure if it ever did open though.

BJC opened up earlier in the afternoon, APA managed to open up around 6pm or so.
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RE: DEN Airport Other Mountain West Airports Historic

Fri Dec 22, 2006 3:52 pm

Quoting Graphic (Reply 8):

BJC opened up earlier in the afternoon, APA managed to open up around 6pm or so.

Thanks for the info. Just checked flight aware and the gap was a CJI at 0650 this morning and the next flight in was an Excel @ 1329. You are correct that the first APA was @ 1821 with the previous arrival at 0648!

Either way, our aircraft were busy and we didn't want to waste our time with this BS.
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