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Did Northwest Orient Fly ORD-NYC In 1985?

Sat Dec 23, 2006 7:26 am

Hi All,

I am trying to figure out if Northwest Orient flew from Chicago to New York City in 1985?

I know if they did, it was seasonal.

Does anyone have old timetables that could check for me?

Thanks,

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RE: Did Northwest Orient Fly ORD-NYC In 1985?

Sat Dec 23, 2006 7:32 am

According to the following NW timetables:

April 28, 1985
June 6, 1985
October 27, 1985
September 3, 1985
December 18, 1985

There was NO nonstop Chicago-NYC/Newark service on NW.
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RE: Did Northwest Orient Fly ORD-NYC In 1985?

Sat Dec 23, 2006 10:54 am

There was to BOS but I cannot find Chicago-NYC NS either.
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RE: Did Northwest Orient Fly ORD-NYC In 1985?

Sat Dec 23, 2006 11:49 am

Quoting N702ML (Reply 1):
According to the following NW timetables:

April 28, 1985
June 6, 1985
October 27, 1985
September 3, 1985
December 18, 1985

What a/c type was operated?

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RE: Did Northwest Orient Fly ORD-NYC In 1985?

Sat Dec 23, 2006 12:37 pm

I did flew it once not sure if it was 1985. TPE-NRT-ORD-JFK. W
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RE: Did Northwest Orient Fly ORD-NYC In 1985?

Sat Dec 23, 2006 1:00 pm

I think it was gone by 1985 but I don't have resources with me.

Before JFK-NRT nonstop, the put New York on the end of their ORD-NRT flights. For years it went JFK-IAD-ORD-NRT and on the return NRT-ORD-JFK. Never understood why the IAD stop one direction but not the other. But if I recall correcly by 1985 they did JFK-NRT nonstop and so no ORD stop anymore.
 
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RE: Did Northwest Orient Fly ORD-NYC In 1985?

Sat Dec 23, 2006 1:06 pm

Quoting Warren747sp (Reply 5):
I did flew it once not sure if it was 1985. TPE-NRT-ORD-JFK. W

In the April 24th 1983 timetable Northwest shows that exact route. Flight#4 flew TPE-NRT-ORD-JFK. Depart ORD 3:20pm Arrive JFK 6:20pm
 
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RE: Did Northwest Orient Fly ORD-NYC In 1985?

Sat Dec 23, 2006 1:29 pm

Quoting NWOrientDC10 (Reply 3):
What a/c type was operated?

Would have been a 727-200.
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RE: Did Northwest Orient Fly ORD-NYC In 1985?

Sun Dec 24, 2006 10:03 am

How about the first several months of 1985 - From January through the end of April?

Anyone have that timetable?

Becuase my Grandpa swears he flew ORD-JFK on Northwest Orient. He thought is was sometime around Easter (Early April).

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RE: Did Northwest Orient Fly ORD-NYC In 1985?

Sun Dec 24, 2006 10:15 am

Your Grampa is "THE MAN".

OAG April 1985 shows NW118, a 747 from ORD to JFK
LV ORD at 3 40pm
AR JFK at 6 40pm
Heres the kicker.......the flight ops on Tuesday only..
Sorry I did not discover that sooner, but "thart'tis!"

A NW April 1984 show it as Flight 4 with the same times only daily.
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RE: Did Northwest Orient Fly ORD-NYC In 1985?

Sun Dec 24, 2006 10:33 am

Wow, a 747 between ORD and NYC!

What other cities did NW serve from ORD? Any more Widebodies?

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Sun Dec 24, 2006 10:51 am

Quoting TWA1985 (Reply 11):
What other cities did NW serve from ORD?

All listed are nonstops in the April 1985 OAG
FROM ORD TO...........(and,no DC 9's yet).

BOS two trips, one a DC 10
DTW three trips
MSP eleven trips, one 747 and one DC10
RST one
MSN two
MKE two
JFK one 747 Tuesdays only
MIA three
TPA two
FLL one
SEA one DC10
DCA one
and I believe a 747 to Tokyo but the OAG is domestic only.
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RE: Did Northwest Orient Fly ORD-NYC In 1985?

Sun Dec 24, 2006 10:56 am

Cool! Did NW also serve MSY? My grandpa lived in Milwaukee and remembered NW serving ORD and also maybe MSY from ORD.

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RE: Did Northwest Orient Fly ORD-NYC In 1985?

Sun Dec 24, 2006 10:58 am

But, now that I think about it.. Didn't NW pull out of MSY sometime in 1985? So maybe they did not fly to ORD from there.

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RE: Did Northwest Orient Fly ORD-NYC In 1985?

Sun Dec 24, 2006 11:01 am

Quoting TWA1985 (Reply 13):
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They were a strong boarding carrier at MKE with NC then Republic. The were either number one or two there.
The service to MSY was light in 1985 but improved after the merger with Republic in 1986.
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RE: Did Northwest Orient Fly ORD-NYC In 1985?

Sun Dec 24, 2006 11:03 am

My Grandpa is sitting with me now and is wondering if they still served BIL at that time? He flew the route quite often in the early and mid-80's but is unsure when NW suspended the service.

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RE: Did Northwest Orient Fly ORD-NYC In 1985?

Sun Dec 24, 2006 11:16 am

Quoting TWA1985 (Reply 16):

They served BIL and other Montana stations from SEA and MSP. From ORD, you usually stopped at MSP first. NW did not pull out of BIL. It may have been NW people at BIL now staffed with the subs. Montana stations are money makers for NW in the summer. A January2007 peak at NW schedules between MSP and BIL shows A319 and A320's on the route.
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RE: Did Northwest Orient Fly ORD-NYC In 1985?

Sun Dec 24, 2006 12:46 pm

Are you sure NW did not fly ORD-BIL? My grandpa recalls flying the route a lot. He also is thinking that they served CLE from ORD at some point. Can anyone confirm or deny these?

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RE: Did Northwest Orient Fly ORD-NYC In 1985?

Sun Dec 24, 2006 1:41 pm

In the April 24th 1983 timetable Northwest flew ORD-Billings twice a day.One 1-stop and 1 non-stop.Flight 105 was a one-stop that left at 7am. Flight 71 was a non-stop that left at 2:10 pm. Cleveland was served 3 times daily.Fights 292,352,and flight 76.Flight times were 7am,3:30pm, and 6:55pm
 
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RE: Did Northwest Orient Fly ORD-NYC In 1985?

Sun Dec 24, 2006 3:03 pm

Northwest Orient had many a P2P route in the Great Lakes Region stretching from MSP to the East Coast.
To gain a better understanding of this, one must go back in time before deregulation.
Here's some of the NWo major stations and their destinations served:
(a widebody in parentheses indicates at least one of the flights was operated by the indicated type)

BOSTON: MKE(D10)/MSP

CHICAGO: ANC(747)/ATL(D10/BIL(D10)/CLE(D10)/DTW(D10)/MSN/MSP(747-D10)/MSY/JFK(747)/RST/SEA(D10)/GEG/NRT/YWG

CLEVELAND: ORD(D10)MSP/PHL/PIT/DCA

DETROIT: ORD(D10)MKE/MSP/(747-D10)/EWR(D10)/JFK(747)/PHL(D10)/PIT/DCA

MADISON: ORD/MKE/RST

MILWAUKEE: BOS/DTW/MSN/MSP(D10)/LGA/PHL/TPA/DCA

MINNEAPOLIS: ANC(D10)/ATL/BIL/BIS/BOS(D10)/ORD(747-D10)/CLE/DTW(747-D10)/YEG/FAR/GFK/LAX(747-D10)/MKE(D10)/LGA/PHL(D10)/RST/SFO(D10)/GEG(D10)/TPA/DCA/YWG(D10)

NEW YORK(JFK): DTW(747)/SEA(747)/IAD(747)
NEW YORK(LGA):MKE/MSP
NEWARK: DTW(747-D10)/PHL

PHILADELPHIA: DTW(D10)/MSP(D10)/EWR(D10)

PITTSBURGH: CLE/DTW/DCA

ROCHESTER(MN): ORD/MSN/MSP


fyi: The widebody flights between Chicago and Minneapolis were retarded, 7 DC10s a day Eastbound, 8 a day Westbound, for a total of 15 flights between the two!

Between Detroit and Minneapolis?
2 each DC10 and 747 Westbound and Eastbound for 4 each per day, 8 total.

Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 17):
They served BIL and other Montana stations from SEA and MSP. From ORD, you usually stopped at MSP first.

They did have the unusual coast-to-coast DC10 flight that transited BIL via GTF and ORD. The flight was NW71/72, a Daily no less.

Oh, and yes, New Orleans in the beginning of service to the city was via ORD, and not MSP. 727.

I have no empirical evidence to back this up, but in the old days, Northwest Orient to me seemed like they had the most widebody flights as a percentage of the overall total of operations. Some U.S. airlines may have had larger widebody fleets, (PA exclusive), but NW flew them more places, more often....I mean heck y'all, BILLINGS and GREAT FALLS Montana!? WTF?!
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RE: Did Northwest Orient Fly ORD-NYC In 1985?

Mon Dec 25, 2006 1:00 am

So you mean to tell me that NW served MSY only from ORD and not MSP?

When did NW start serving MSY from MSP and discontinue the ORD service?

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RE: Did Northwest Orient Fly ORD-NYC In 1985?

Mon Dec 25, 2006 1:07 am

It was after 1983. Northwest flew 2 flights a day between MSP-MSY and both stopped at ORD. Flights 180 and 182. Flight 182 was EX Sat.
 
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RE: Did Northwest Orient Fly ORD-NYC In 1985?

Mon Dec 25, 2006 1:21 am

I just got an email from a person I met at an airline collectibles show in Chicago. He has thousands of timetables.

Here is the service he showed from ORD in 1985:


December 18, 1985:

BIL - 1x N/S (727)
BOS - 2x N/S (727/D10)
CLE - 3x N/S (727)
DCA - 1x N/S (727)
DTW - 3x N/S (727)
FLL - 1x N/S (727)
MIA - 2x N/S (727/DC-10)
MKE - 3x N/S (727)
MSN - 2x N/S (727)
MSP - 10x N/S (6 - 727, 1 - 747, 2 - D10 and 1 -757)
MCO - 1x N/S (727)
NRT - 1x N/S (747)
RST - 1x N/S (727)
RSW - 1x n/s (727)
SEA - 1x N/S (D10)
TPA - 2x N/S (727)


Here are some additional cities served from ORD (12/19/84 to 04/27/85):

MSY - 2x N/S (727) Discontinued after 04/27/85
JFK - Tues N/S (747) Discontinued after 04/27/85

Seasonal:

ICN - 1X N/S (747)
NRT - 1X N/S (747)

This is great info... it answered a lot of my questions. I hope you all find some interest in it.

He also mentioned that they served meals on some short flights, but did not elaborate. I emailed him to get more details.

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RE: Did Northwest Orient Fly ORD-NYC In 1985?

Mon Dec 25, 2006 1:49 am

Here's 1983 Non-stops and meal service Form ORD

BIL-Flight#71,727 Snack
BOS- Flights 34,458,727's Regal Imperial,Meal
CLE-Flights 292,352 and 76,727's, #292 Meal
DTW- Flight 362,727
MSN-Flights 287,751,727's
MIA-Flights 700,716,727's,Regal Imperial
MSP-Flights 105,403,701,125,183,447,719,707,449,185,727's/DC-10's,M+S
MSY-Flights 180,182,727's,M+S
JFK-Flight 4,747,M
ROC-Flight 341,727
SEA-Flight 735,727,M
Seoul-Flight 5,747,Regal Imperial
TPA-Flights,750,72,727's,Regal Imperial,M
DCA-Flights 392,396,727's,M+S
NRT-Flight 3,747,Regal Imperial
 
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RE: Did Northwest Orient Fly ORD-NYC In 1985?

Mon Dec 25, 2006 9:13 am

Wow! So they had Regal Imperial Service on Domestic Flights!

That's awesome! When did that end?
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RE: Did Northwest Orient Fly ORD-NYC In 1985?

Mon Dec 25, 2006 8:55 pm

Quoting TWA1985 (Reply 11):
Wow, a 747 between ORD and NYC!

UAL also operated the 747 between ORD and EWR for a period of time- mid to late 80's if I recall correctly.....
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RE: Did Northwest Orient Fly ORD-NYC In 1985?

Tue Dec 26, 2006 2:47 am

Lets go a notch better.... Pan Am had a 747 between ORD and DTW in Aug and Sept of 85. Flight 54 eastbound and flight 55 westb.

Quoting Tjwgrr (Reply 26):

Aug 1985 OAG shows UA 104 out of ORD to EWR at 5:10pm and
into EWR at 8:18pm.
I also see EA had a couple of A300's between ORD and NYC, one to EWR and one to LGA. I never knew that. Glad I kept these old schedules.
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RE: Did Northwest Orient Fly ORD-NYC In 1985?

Tue Dec 26, 2006 2:57 am

What is Regal Imperial? Is that like first class?
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RE: Did Northwest Orient Fly ORD-NYC In 1985?

Tue Dec 26, 2006 3:20 am

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 27):
What is Regal Imperial? Is that like first class?

This is how Northwest describes it in their timetable,

(Northwests most elegant inflight service featuring our finest cuisine.)
 
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RE: Did Northwest Orient Fly ORD-NYC In 1985?

Tue Dec 26, 2006 3:34 am

Speaking of old NW stuff, when did they fly 757's into MSY?

I remember pretty frequently as a kid seeing NW Orient 757's here...I'm guessing from MEM after the Republic merger?
 
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RE: Did Northwest Orient Fly ORD-NYC In 1985?

Tue Dec 26, 2006 4:19 am

Quoting Stirling (Reply 19):
I have no empirical evidence to back this up, but in the old days, Northwest Orient to me seemed like they had the most widebody flights as a percentage of the overall total of operations. Some U.S. airlines may have had larger widebody fleets, (PA exclusive), but NW flew them more places, more often....I mean heck y'all, BILLINGS and GREAT FALLS Montana!? WTF?!

Yeah, I noticed how P2P NW was too. The original NW Orient station in PIT closed in 1983, then RC started here in 1985, so really we're a Republic station, in equipment and in former people (I work for Worldwide Flight).

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 29):
Speaking of old NW stuff, when did they fly 757's into MSY?

I remember pretty frequently as a kid seeing NW Orient 757's here...I'm guessing from MEM after the Republic merger?

IINM, NW only had a few 757s when they bought RC, are you sure the ones you saw weren't ex-RC? If it came from MEM, they probably were.
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Tue Dec 26, 2006 4:29 am

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 30):
IINM, NW only had a few 757s when they bought RC, are you sure the ones you saw weren't ex-RC? If it came from MEM, they probably were.

I'm not positive that they were not ex-RC aircraft...they could have been. I used to see them on a nearly daily basis, though.
 
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RE: Did Northwest Orient Fly ORD-NYC In 1985?

Tue Dec 26, 2006 4:41 am

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 30):
IINM, NW only had a few 757s when they bought RC, are you sure the ones you saw weren't ex-RC? If it came from MEM, they probably were.

NWA had at least 25 757's at the time of the RC merger,RC only brought about 6 to the party.
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RE: Did Northwest Orient Fly ORD-NYC In 1985?

Tue Dec 26, 2006 5:12 am

Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 26):
Lets go a notch better

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Widebodies from Chicago:

[1974]:
747 DL001 to Miami/Royal Service[1st]Brunch[Y]
747 DL009 to Miami/Lunch[all]
747 DL027 to Atlanta/Dinner[all]

[1975]:
L10 TW020 to Boston/Breakfast[all](126 minutes)
L10 TW102 to Boston/Snack[all](126 minutes)
L10 TW711 to LasVegas/Breakfast[all]
L10 TW195 to LasVegas/Lunch[all]
747 TW770 to Heathrow/London/Dinner&Snack&Breakfast[all]
L10 TW117 to Los Angeles/Breakfast&Lunch[all]
L10 TW025 to Los Angeles/Lunch[all]
L10 TW036 to Philadelphia/Dinner[all](116 minutes)
L10 TW130 to Pittsburgh/Breakfast[all](93 minutes)
L10 TW135 to San Fran/Breakfast[all]
747 TW771 to San Fran/Dinner[all]

[1981]:
L10 EA957 to Atlanta/NOTHING!
L10 EA071 to Miami/Breakfast&Lunch[all]???
L10 EA951 to San Juan/Lunch&Snack[all]

And now the GRAND-DADDY of the Widebody Airlines!

[1985]
767 UA065 to Anchorage
D10 UA118 to Boston
D10 UA432 to Boston
D10 UA100 to Boston
D10 UA144 to Boston
D10 UA296 to Boston
767 UA272 to Cleveland
767 UA400 to Cleveland
767 UA612 to Cleveland
767 UA698 to Cleveland
D10 UA942 to Cleveland
D10 UA027 to Denver
D10 UA619 to Denver
767 UA463 to Denver
767 UA645 to Denver
D10 UA297 to Denver
D10 UA237 to Denver
D10 UA688 to Detroit
D10 UA140 to Detroit
D10 UA638 to Detroit
D10 UA106 to Detroit
767 UA608 to Hartford
D10 UA376 to Hartford
747 UA001 to Honolulu
D10 UA003 to Honolulu
767 UA723 to Las Vegas
767 UA711 to Las Vegas
D10 UA873 to Las Vegas
D10 UA115 to Los Angeles
D10 UA111 to Los Angeles
D10 UA109 to Los Angeles
747 UA103 to Los Angeles
747 UA107 to Los Angeles
767 UA117 to Los Angeles
D10 UA319 to Minneapolis
D10 UA258 to Newark
D10 UA518 to Newark
D10 UA122 to Newark
747 UA104 to Newark
D10 UA220 to Newark
D10 UA308 to Newark
767 UA900 to LaGuardia
767 UA926 to LaGuardia
D10 UA263 to Omaha
D10 UA132 to Philadelphia
D10 UA280 to Philadelphia
D10 UA026 to Philadelphia
D10 UA126 to Philadelphia
D10 UA128 to Philadelphia
747 UA141 to Portland
D10 UA127 to San Fran.
D10 UA123 to San Fran.
D10 UA121 to San Fran.
D10 UA129 to San Fran.
D10 UA135 to San Fran.
767 UA133 to San Fran.
747 UA143 to Seattle
D10 UA159 to Seattle
D10 UA155 to Seattle
D10 UA157 to Seattle
D10 UA149 to Seattle
D10 UA307 to Vancouver

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RE: Did Northwest Orient Fly ORD-NYC In 1985?

Tue Dec 26, 2006 5:48 am

Quoting TWA1985 (Reply 17):
Are you sure NW did not fly ORD-BIL?



Quoting TWA1985 (Reply 17):
In the April 24th 1983 timetable Northwest flew ORD-Billings twice a day.One 1-stop and 1 non-stop.

And, in fact, NW's non-stop ORD-BIL service (once daily each way) continued at least through their timetable effective April 27, 1986; other than the non-stop services, all ORD-BIL/BIL-ORD flights listed in this timetable are by way of connecting flights at MSP involving change of planes and flight numbers.

In the January 5-31, 1987 timetable of NW, the ORD-BIL-ORD non-stops are gone. The only mainline NW departures from BIL in this timetable are 3 daily non-stops to MSP (two opb 72S and one opb D9S) plus a daily non-stop to BZN (a tag-on to a flight from MSP, 72S) and, interestingly, a daily non-stop to GEG that continued on to SEA (continuation of a MSP-originating flight, D9S).
 
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RE: Did Northwest Orient Fly ORD-NYC In 1985?

Tue Dec 26, 2006 11:12 am

Quoting Charlienorth (Reply 32):
NWA had at least 25 757's at the time of the RC merger,RC only brought about 6 to the party.

Well, you're close. They had 17 delivered before Oct 1st, 1986...merger day.
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RE: Did Northwest Orient Fly ORD-NYC In 1985?

Tue Dec 26, 2006 11:21 am

Quoting TWA1985 (Reply 17):
Are you sure NW did not fly ORD-BIL?

Not sure about in the 80's, but I know in the 70's they had a daily D10 n/s on the route. I also recall D10's to ATL, FLL, MIA, TPA. I know MSY's first service on NW was from ORD on 72S/727. And I beleive an IAD-ORD-ANC-Tokyo 742 routing. I'd have to dig thru boxes of timetables to be sure, but these stick out in my memory.
 
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RE: Did Northwest Orient Fly ORD-NYC In 1985?

Tue Dec 26, 2006 12:57 pm

Quoting Stirling (Reply 33):



Quoting Stirling (Reply 33):
I'll see that and raise you a aileron.
Widebodies from Chicago:

[1974]:
747 DL001 to Miami/Royal Service[1st]Brunch[Y]
747 DL009 to Miami/Lunch[all]
747 DL027 to Atlanta/Dinner[all]

[1975]:
L10 TW020 to Boston/Breakfast[all](126 minutes)
L10 TW102 to Boston/Snack[all](126 minutes)
L10 TW711 to LasVegas/Breakfast[all]
L10 TW195 to LasVegas/Lunch[all]
747 TW770 to Heathrow/London/Dinner&Snack&Breakfast[all]
L10 TW117 to Los Angeles/Breakfast&Lunch[all]
L10 TW025 to Los Angeles/Lunch[all]
L10 TW036 to Philadelphia/Dinner[all](116 minutes)
L10 TW130 to Pittsburgh/Breakfast[all](93 minutes)
L10 TW135 to San Fran/Breakfast[all]
747 TW771 to San Fran/Dinner[all]

[1981]:
L10 EA957 to Atlanta/NOTHING!
L10 EA071 to Miami/Breakfast&Lunch[all]???
L10 EA951 to San Juan/Lunch&Snack[all]

And now the GRAND-DADDY of the Widebody Airlines!

[1985]
767 UA065 to Anchorage
D10 UA118 to Boston
D10 UA432 to Boston
D10 UA100 to Boston
D10 UA144 to Boston
D10 UA296 to Boston
767 UA272 to Cleveland
767 UA400 to Cleveland
767 UA612 to Cleveland
767 UA698 to Cleveland
D10 UA942 to Cleveland
D10 UA027 to Denver
D10 UA619 to Denver
767 UA463 to Denver
767 UA645 to Denver
D10 UA297 to Denver
D10 UA237 to Denver
D10 UA688 to Detroit
D10 UA140 to Detroit
D10 UA638 to Detroit
D10 UA106 to Detroit
767 UA608 to Hartford
D10 UA376 to Hartford
747 UA001 to Honolulu
D10 UA003 to Honolulu
767 UA723 to Las Vegas
767 UA711 to Las Vegas
D10 UA873 to Las Vegas
D10 UA115 to Los Angeles
D10 UA111 to Los Angeles
D10 UA109 to Los Angeles
747 UA103 to Los Angeles
747 UA107 to Los Angeles
767 UA117 to Los Angeles
D10 UA319 to Minneapolis
D10 UA258 to Newark
D10 UA518 to Newark
D10 UA122 to Newark
747 UA104 to Newark
D10 UA220 to Newark
D10 UA308 to Newark
767 UA900 to LaGuardia
767 UA926 to LaGuardia
D10 UA263 to Omaha
D10 UA132 to Philadelphia
D10 UA280 to Philadelphia
D10 UA026 to Philadelphia
D10 UA126 to Philadelphia
D10 UA128 to Philadelphia
747 UA141 to Portland
D10 UA127 to San Fran.
D10 UA123 to San Fran.
D10 UA121 to San Fran.
D10 UA129 to San Fran.
D10 UA135 to San Fran.
767 UA133 to San Fran.
747 UA143 to Seattle
D10 UA159 to Seattle
D10 UA155 to Seattle
D10 UA157 to Seattle
D10 UA149 to Seattle
D10 UA307 to Vancouver



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RE: Did Northwest Orient Fly ORD-NYC In 1985?

Tue Dec 26, 2006 3:30 pm

Quoting 777FlyGuy (Reply 36):
Not sure about in the 80's, but I know in the 70's they had a daily D10 n/s on the route.



Quoting Stirling (Reply 19):
They did have the unusual coast-to-coast DC10 flight that transited BIL via GTF and ORD. The flight was NW71/72, a Daily no less.
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RE: Did Northwest Orient Fly ORD-NYC In 1985?

Thu Dec 28, 2006 4:26 am

Quoting TWA1985 (Reply 12):
Cool! Did NW also serve MSY? My grandpa lived in Milwaukee and remembered NW serving ORD and also maybe MSY from ORD.

NW began service to MSY in the summer of 1977, with 3x day 727s from ORD. MSY-ORD was a DL monopoly for many years. In 1969, EA was awarded the right to compete with DL, but EA dropped the route after a year or two. EA tried to sell the MSY-ORD route to UA, but the government refused to allow the sale, and instead awarded MSY-ORD to NW.
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RE: Did Northwest Orient Fly ORD-NYC In 1985?

Thu Dec 28, 2006 7:20 am

So, how long did NW operate the ORD-MSY route?

And also, when did Delta lose the monopoly on the route and stop serving it?

That also makes me wonder, did Delta serve other cities besides Atlanta from ORD in the 80's?

I am surprised to hear they also served MSY from ORD. I was assuming that it was much like now with airlines other that UA and AA only serving their hubs.

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RE: Did Northwest Orient Fly ORD-NYC In 1985?

Thu Dec 28, 2006 7:28 am

Quoting TWA1985 (Reply 40):
That also makes me wonder, did Delta serve other cities besides Atlanta from ORD in the 80's?

Delta Non-stop service out of ORD in 1983 included,

Atlanta
Cincinnati
Dallas
FT Lauderdale
Houston
Lexington
Louisville
Memphis
Miami
Nashville
New Orleans
Orlando
St Louis
Tampa
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RE: Did Northwest Orient Fly ORD-NYC In 1985?

Thu Dec 28, 2006 7:35 am

Quoting TWA1985 (Reply 40):
That also makes me wonder, did Delta serve other cities besides Atlanta from ORD in the 80's?

From departedflights.com,

service to ORD in July 1983 on Delta Air Lines with cities, frequency and equipment:

ATL (9x daily D8S,72S,L10)
CVG (5x daily 72S)
DFW (3x daily 72S,D9S)
FLL (3x daily, 72S,L10)
IAH (2x daily 72S)
LEX (1x daily, D9S,72S)
SDF (4x daily, D9S,72S)
MEM (3x daily, 72S)
MIA (1x daily, D8S)
BNA (2x daily, D9S,D8S)
MSY (2x daily, D9S,72S)
MCO (3x daily, 72S)
STL (5x daily, 72S,D9S)
TPA (3x daily, 762,72S)
PBI (2x daily,72S)
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RE: Did Northwest Orient Fly ORD-NYC In 1985?

Thu Dec 28, 2006 8:07 am

By 1985 Delta flew these routes out of ORD

Atlanta-8 Non-stops
Boston-5 Non-stops
Cincinnati-4 Non-stops
Dallas-5 Non-stops
Ft Lauderdale-2 Non-stops
Louisville-3 Non-stops
Memphis-4 Non-stops
Miami-3 Non-stops
Minneapolis-4 Non-stops
New Orleans-3 Non-stops
Orlando-2 Non-stops
Tampa-2 Non-stops
West Palm-1 Non-stop
 
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RE: Did Northwest Orient Fly ORD-NYC In 1985?

Thu Dec 28, 2006 9:56 am

Quoting Knope2001 (Reply 5):
I think it was gone by 1985 but I don't have resources with me.

They didn't fly it in 1983. Don't know if that lends to the answer or not.

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RE: Did Northwest Orient Fly ORD-NYC In 1985?

Fri Dec 29, 2006 2:46 am

Quoting Dtw9 (Reply 41):



Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 42):



Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 39):
MSY-ORD was a DL monopoly for many years.



Quoting TWA1985 (Reply 40):
That also makes me wonder, did Delta serve other cities besides Atlanta from ORD in the 80's?

The flights listed by my two friends are the tip of the post-deregulation iceberg.

Remember, Delta, is an airline made of a few rather significant mergers.

Their latest was in the mid-80's with (my beloved!) Western which brought Delta firmly into the West Coast, via the SLC and LAX hubs...Delta, unlike AA, NW/RC, and US, has held onto more of the routes acquired via the merger than all those other airlines combined.
Anyone remember the NW Hub in PHX? The US Hub in LAX and SFO, the AA hub in RNO?

Well, anyway, I digress,

Before the Western Merger, in the 70s, it was the Northeast Merger...bringing many routes from the area north of NYC and Canada down to Florida. (Not ATL)An again, Delta still hangs on to much of the old NE spirit, if not the complete network....its how Delta entered Boston.

And then, there was the Merger that brings to light what routes Delta had out of Chicago.....and why.

The FIRST big merger Delta embarked on, also made them an International airline too, bringing them routes to San Juan, Havana, Caracas, Port-au-Prince, Ciudad Trujillo (SDQ), and Montego Bay.

The airline was Chicago and Southern, or just C&S.

The C&S Axis was Chicago to New Orleans, the southern point also being the point of departure for the routes to the Caribbean.

So yes, not only did Delta have a bunch of routes out of Chicago, they were the original airline on the Mississippi Valley route down to New Orleans. It was a monopoly that went back to at least the late 20's. (I don't have my complete research materials with me for exact years and predecessors of C&S)

Prior to the routes from ORD/MDW flown by DELTA listed here already, I can add to the list already posted. Combine this list, with an early 80's, to get somewhat of an idea what Delta looked like in Chicago in the 1960s and 70s. Chicago was number 2 behind ATL in importance.

Birmingham, AL
Columbia, SC
Evansville, IN
Detroit, MI
Greensboro, NC
Indianapolis, IN
Knoxville, TN
Raliegh, NC
Muncie, IN
Paducah, KY
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RE: Did Northwest Orient Fly ORD-NYC In 1985?

Fri Dec 29, 2006 4:09 am

Quoting Stirling (Reply 45):
Anyone remember the NW Hub in PHX?

Yep...don't forget the NW minihub in TPA?
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RE: Did Northwest Orient Fly ORD-NYC In 1985?

Fri Dec 29, 2006 4:57 am

Actually, I flew NW Orient Newark to Midway, DC-6, in June, 1961. Nice plane. I became an instant snob, and was less than happy having to transfer to a DC-7, 2-3 seating, and a lot noisier, on the continuing route to Spokane and eventually Portland. One great day for a young kid! NW55, if I recall...
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