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AA: 762s To Be On MIA-LAX; 772s MIA-ORD

Sun Dec 24, 2006 5:48 am

American Airlines will operate a daily 3-class 767-200ER flight between Miami and Los Angeles starting this summer. AA currently operates one daily 3-class Miami-Los Angeles flight with a 772. The new 762 flight, eff. 12Jul07, perfectly timed for business travelers to enjoy AA's three-class 762 service:

AA 280 LAX 0930-1720 MIA 762
AA 823 MIA 1825-2105 LAX 762

In addition, the recently introduced 7th-daily seasonal frequency is now year-round. And a useless fact: Every single Boeing type in AA's fleet is used on MIA-LAX: 738 (1x), 757 (3x), 763 (1x), 762 (1x), and 772 (1x). American Airlines operates only three domestic three-class routes, Miami-Los Angeles, New York City-Los Angeles, and New York City-San Francisco.

During June and July, AA will use the 772 on certain days on the following ORD-MIA frequency:

AA 2805 ORD 1105-1455 MIA 772
AA 2773 MIA 1555-1805 ORD 772

Also on the MIA front for the summer timetable, year-round upgrades:

Ft. Myers (+1x --> 4x daily)
Key West (+1x --> 6x daily)
Montego Bay (+1x --> 3x daily)

Seasonal frequency upgrades:

Bermuda (+2w --> 5x weekly)
Santiago de Los Caballero (+1x --> 2x daily)
Puerto Plata (+3w --> 10x weekly)
Punta Cana (+3w --> 2x daily)

[Edited 2006-12-23 22:04:57]
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Sun Dec 24, 2006 6:13 am

Interesting, Mark. Thank you so much for posting. I only wish that rather than adding such excentric upgrades on the MIA-LAX route, they either add extra flights or upgrade the equipemnt on the MIA-SFO run. The three dailys are currently flown with 757 -- a monthly torture in my case.

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RE: AA: 762s To Be On MIA-LAX; 772s MIA-ORD

Sun Dec 24, 2006 6:20 am

Actually, If Im not wrong the 0730 departure from MIA to SFO is actually a 767-300.....The return leaves SFO at 1150 every day.
 
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RE: AA: 762s To Be On MIA-LAX; 772s MIA-ORD

Sun Dec 24, 2006 6:21 am

Quoting LVTMB (Reply 1):
The three dailys are currently flown with 757 -- a monthly torture in my case.

The morning MIA-SFO flight is a 763, as is the mid-afternoon SFO-MIA flight. In addition, with the recently uploaded summer schedule changes, MIA-SFO will be a 763 through at least October 2007.
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Sun Dec 24, 2006 6:30 am

Miami-LAX never gets the same "better" airplanes JFK, Bos and IAD get to LAX. Miami always seems like an after thought at DFW headquarters. Miami to LAX should have the same three class service teh JFK-LAX flights do.
 
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Sun Dec 24, 2006 6:35 am

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 4):
Miami-LAX never gets the same "better" airplanes JFK, Bos and IAD get to LAX. Miami always seems like an after thought at DFW headquarters. Miami to LAX should have the same three class service teh JFK-LAX flights do.

Isn't that just what they're doing by putting the three-class 762s on the MIA-LAX route? I can't recall seeing a 772 on any JFK/BOS/IAD-LAX flights, and an international 772 to me seems like a better in-flight experience than the 762 (keep in mind that I have never flown on either of them).
 
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Sun Dec 24, 2006 6:44 am

Quoting LVTMB (Reply 1):
excentric upgrades

I would hardly call AA catering to good business demand between the cities eccentric. There is strong flow of entertainment and fashion travel between the cities in addition to premium traffic connections thanks to AA's strong Latin America network.
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RE: AA: 762s To Be On MIA-LAX; 772s MIA-ORD

Sun Dec 24, 2006 6:54 am

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 4):
Miami-LAX never gets the same "better" airplanes JFK, Bos and IAD get to LAX. Miami always seems like an after thought at DFW headquarters. Miami to LAX should have the same three class service teh JFK-LAX flights do.

What on earth are you talking about? MIA-LAX has far better service than BOS-LAX and IAD-LAX on AA. MIA-LAX has widebodies, including the 763 and 772, and more than double the frequency of those routes. BOS/IAD-LAX is all narrowbodies, and entirely 2-class service. AA has more seats and frequencies on MIA-LAX than they do on JFK-SFO. Miami-Los Angeles is AA's second most busiest trans-con route after only JFK-LAX, and the only domestic route in the entire AA network to feature American's 777 3-class service.
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Sun Dec 24, 2006 9:22 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
nd a useless fact: Every single Boeing type in AA's fleet is used on MIA-LAX: 738 (1x), 757 (3x), 763 (1x), 762 (1x), and 772 (1x).



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
Miami-Los Angeles is AA's second most busiest trans-con route after only JFK-LAX, and the only domestic route in the entire AA network to feature American's 777 3-class service.

Hi Mark..cool stuff!

Is DFW-ORD-DFW 772ER run considered 2-class flight?
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Sun Dec 24, 2006 9:26 am

I was surprised to see MIA-LAX sees all boeing planes, is this the only route to do so?

Very nice to see a 777 on a ORD-MIA, one of the first for ORD I believe?

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Sun Dec 24, 2006 9:38 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 8):
Is DFW-ORD-DFW 772ER run considered 2-class flight?

Yes, as is MIA-DFW 772 flight.

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 9):
I was surprised to see MIA-LAX sees all boeing planes, is this the only route to do so?

In AA's network, yes.
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Sun Dec 24, 2006 9:46 am

Hey just out of curiosity, I'm glad to see the widebodie expansion on AA domesticly, but where are the frames coming from? are they pulling down the Transcon out of JFK? and where did the 763's come from? I thought those where pretty well commited to intl.... thanks for any answers.....

*p.s. good luck to all my friends on the gate board at ORD, the extra widebodies are going to make it interesting!!!
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Sun Dec 24, 2006 9:46 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 8):
Is DFW-ORD-DFW 772ER run considered 2-class flight?

Yes, as is MIA-DFW 772 flight.

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 9):
I was surprised to see MIA-LAX sees all boeing planes, is this the only route to do so?

In AA's network, yes.

That's what I tought...great..thanks... Smile
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Sun Dec 24, 2006 9:48 am

Quoting HPAEAA (Reply 11):
Hey just out of curiosity, I'm glad to see the widebodie expansion on AA domesticly, but where are the frames coming from? are they pulling down the Transcon out of JFK? and where did the 763's come from? I thought those where pretty well commited to intl.... thanks for any answers.....

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RE: AA: 762s To Be On MIA-LAX; 772s MIA-ORD

Sun Dec 24, 2006 9:54 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
What on earth are you talking about? MIA-LAX has far better service than BOS-LAX and IAD-LAX on AA. MIA-LAX has widebodies, including the 763 and 772, and more than double the frequency of those routes. BOS/IAD-LAX is all narrowbodies, and entirely 2-class service. AA has more seats and frequencies on MIA-LAX than they do on JFK-SFO. Miami-Los Angeles is AA's second most busiest trans-con route after only JFK-LAX, and the only domestic route in the entire AA network to feature American's 777 3-class service.

Absolutely, and the 757s flying between BOS-LAX are a supposed 'upgrade' from the 738s they used before. I'm someone who remembers DC-10s and 767s on that route, and it's been downgraded ever since. BOS-LAX is treated nowhere near as well as JFK-LAX is.

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Sun Dec 24, 2006 10:11 am

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 14):

Absolutely, and the 757s flying between BOS-LAX are a supposed 'upgrade' from the 738s they used before.

AA's 757s are the worst in the fleet, IMO. I'm unfortunate enough to have to fly them frequently since, until recently, they were the only aircraft used on MIA-ORD (there is now a daily 763 rotation, which I try to book when my schedule allows). The 757 and 738 are like night a day. AA's 738s are great aircraft with one of the most comfortable domestic coach products I have ever experienced, while the 757s are one of the most uncomfortable. Going from a 757 to a 738 usually isn't an upgrade, unless you are talking about AA.
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Sun Dec 24, 2006 10:59 am

The 757s are in such horrid condition that I aim for the 738s or 777s when traveling to South Florida.
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Sun Dec 24, 2006 11:08 am

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 14):
BOS-LAX is treated nowhere near as well as JFK-LAX is.

No offence to the fine city of Boston, however its no where close to the importance nor size of NYC hence it receives significantly less service. Boston simply cannot support the volume nor type of service NY is able.

Even when one compares BOS & MIA, South Florida continues to grow strongly both economically and population wise, gaining importance on the international stage while Boston for all practical purposes remains status quo.
Also dont forget, as is the Miami-Ft Lauderdale MSA exceeds the Boston-Cambrige-Qunicy MSA by well over a million people and continues to see a 6.6% growth rate versus Bostons 0.53% between 2000-2005, so its somewhat natural that it would also continue to draw more and more traffic as years pass.
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Sun Dec 24, 2006 11:55 am

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 5):
an international 772 to me seems like a better in-flight experience than the 762

It certainly is.

The 762s are old and, while the interiors are in pretty good shape for the most part, you definitely get an 80s kind of nostalgia feeling when you step aboard. The overhead bins are small and there are no individually adjustable air vents above each seat. And no PTVs.

The 772 is, well, much newer and in great shape on the inside. And every seat has a PTV, including the skymap which is always nice to have on 5+ hour flights.

I'm a fan of both aircraft and am always happy to fly in coach on either. It's having to fly coach on the 757s that I absolutely hate (though 1st class on the AA 757s is ok).
 
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Sun Dec 24, 2006 12:13 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 15):
AA's 757s are the worst in the fleet, IMO.

You are definetely not alone in that sediment.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 15):
I'm unfortunate enough to have to fly them frequently since, until recently, they were the only aircraft used on MIA-ORD (there is now a daily 763 rotation, which I try to book when my schedule allows

I would try to do the same thing. Long ago it was A300's on that route. How long has it been since the A300's last flew this route? Eitherway, the 763 is the best option.
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Sun Dec 24, 2006 12:17 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
The morning MIA-SFO flight is a 763, as is the mid-afternoon SFO-MIA flight.

Mmmm .... I guess that may have changed recently. During the past few months they've had 7-5s on all three. Actually, I think it was September or October when I was on the mid-afternoon SFO-MIA which diverted to New Orleans due to a medical emergency. Definetely a 7-5. I booked the morning MIA-SFO last month but they canceled it the night before and route me via DFW. But I am sure the reservation stated it was a 757.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
In addition, with the recently uploaded summer schedule changes, MIA-SFO will be a 763 through at least October 2007.

Not all three, I presume. Just the ones you mention? That is good news. I will certainly make sure to book myself on the 763s.

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 6):
would hardly call AA catering to good business demand between the cities eccentric.

That was a little drop of sarcasm. Not for everyone, I guess. Sorry ... And you are right. MIA-LAX obviously brings in quite more business that SFO. The MIA-SFO flights, however, are always booked solid. Go figure.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 15):
AA's 757s are the worst in the fleet, IMO.

Agree!

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 15):
I'm unfortunate enough to have to fly them frequently

Same here. MIA-SFO-MIA though.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 15):
AA's 738s are great aircraft with one of the most comfortable domestic coach products I have ever experienced, while the 757s are one of the most uncomfortable. Going from a 757 to a 738 usually isn't an upgrade, unless you are talking about AA.

Fully agree!

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Sun Dec 24, 2006 1:20 pm

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 17):
Even when one compares BOS & MIA, South Florida continues to grow strongly both economically and population wise, gaining importance on the international stage while Boston for all practical purposes remains status quo.
Also dont forget, as is the Miami-Ft Lauderdale MSA exceeds the Boston-Cambrige-Qunicy MSA by well over a million people and continues to see a 6.6% growth rate versus Bostons 0.53% between 2000-2005, so its somewhat natural that it would also continue to draw more and more traffic as years pass.

And population trends won't deviate from that 'status quo,' in my opinion. Despite 'talk' to the contrary by politicians in Massachusetts, the state is not as welcoming to business as they'd like to portray themselves. Take the movie-making industry. They wring their hands about how to draw more Hollywood film production to Massachusetts and Boston. Then, when a production does come there, the unions pretty much carve them up and spit out the bones. It's worth trying to make Vancouver or Toronto look like Boston for a movie if those unions can be avoided.

Bottom line: More companies and residents (legal ones, anyway) are leaving rather than coming to Boston and Massachusetts. That doesn't bode well for increases in service, and indeed Logan really has been treated as a 'status quo' airport by most of the legacy mainline carriers. Sure, jetBlue and AirTran are exceptions to that, but by and large United/American/Delta/USAirways/Continental etc. have--at best--mostly treaded water with respect to Logan. At worst, they've either cut frequencies or the size of the aircraft serving some once-key routes (i.e. BOS-MIA on AA, which went from A300s to 757s, as one example).

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Sun Dec 24, 2006 2:03 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
During June and July, AA will use the 772 on certain days on the following ORD-MIA frequency:

AA 2805 ORD 1105-1455 MIA 772
AA 2773 MIA 1555-1805 ORD 772



Quoting HPAEAA (Reply 11):
Hey just out of curiosity, I'm glad to see the widebodie expansion on AA domesticly, but where are the frames coming from? are they pulling down the Transcon out of JFK? and where did the 763's come from? I thought those where pretty well commited to intl.... thanks for any answers.....



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 13):
Clever scheduling which leads to better aircraft utlization of planes that are sitting between international segments.

MIA has plenty of spare B772 capacity sitting around at MIA from 3 early morning overnight arrivals from South America, only one of which is currently used for the LAX roundtrip. There is absolutely no problem of available capacity to send one frame up and down to ORD.

American's B772 fleet features some of the lowest utilization rates in the industry and the fleet can very well take some additional utilization without jeopardizing the overall stability of the operation. Add to that the minuscule likelihood of AA's getting their hands on that additional China rights, and it looks to me that we might well see the B772 deployed on some additional routes.
 
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Sun Dec 24, 2006 2:45 pm

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 17):
No offence to the fine city of Boston, however its no where close to the importance nor size of NYC hence it receives significantly less service. Boston simply cannot support the volume nor type of service NY is able.

Even when one compares BOS & MIA, South Florida continues to grow strongly both economically and population wise, gaining importance on the international stage while Boston for all practical purposes remains status quo.
Also dont forget, as is the Miami-Ft Lauderdale MSA exceeds the Boston-Cambrige-Qunicy MSA by well over a million people and continues to see a 6.6% growth rate versus Bostons 0.53% between 2000-2005, so its somewhat natural that it would also continue to draw more and more traffic as years pass.

Well of course NYC is more important than Boston. I really don't think anyone in here was debating that issue. The Miami metro area also is much larger land wise so of course there is going to be more people. Boston is still a much larger and more important business center than the Miami area is. BOS has continued to grow since 2002 and is going to post another solid year of growth.

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 21):
And population trends won't deviate from that 'status quo,' in my opinion. Despite 'talk' to the contrary by politicians in Massachusetts, the state is not as welcoming to business as they'd like to portray themselves. Take the movie-making industry. They wring their hands about how to draw more Hollywood film production to Massachusetts and Boston. Then, when a production does come there, the unions pretty much carve them up and spit out the bones. It's worth trying to make Vancouver or Toronto look like Boston for a movie if those unions can be avoided.

Bottom line: More companies and residents (legal ones, anyway) are leaving rather than coming to Boston and Massachusetts. That doesn't bode well for increases in service, and indeed Logan really has been treated as a 'status quo' airport by most of the legacy mainline carriers. Sure, jetBlue and AirTran are exceptions to that, but by and large United/American/Delta/USAirways/Continental etc. have--at best--mostly treaded water with respect to Logan. At worst, they've either cut frequencies or the size of the aircraft serving some once-key routes (i.e. BOS-MIA on AA, which went from A300s to 757s, as one example).

I am sorry but that is not true, the business leaving the area. Massachusetts has gained well over 80,000 jobs of the 200,000 they lost post 9-11 and is going to continue to grow. The population has completely stabilized and the state grew last year. You picked the worst industry when trying to make Boston look bad for economic growth. Massachusetts has NEVER been ahot bed for Hollywood productions. UA certainly has not. They have added a third daily BOS-LAX flight and have upgraded 2 of the 4 daily SFO flights to 763s. DL has added new routes and LAX seemsto be working this time. AA is the rare exception and they are cutting capacity in favor of increasing yields. The airlines may be cutting service, but the passenger numbers continue to rise. The loss of the 300s on the BOS-MIA route was done by AA as a simplification of their fleet, which makes perfect sense.
 
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Sun Dec 24, 2006 3:51 pm

Quoting B752OS (Reply 23):
The Miami metro area also is much larger land wise so of course there is going to be more people.

Actually, it isn't. The Miami metro area is 6,137 square miles, of which approximately 82% is marshland. The habitable part of the Miami metro is 1,116 square miles. Boston's metro, which is almost entirely habitable, is 4,674 square miles, nearly four times the land size of the Miami metro.

Metro Miami's population density of ~4,407 people per square mile (of habitable land) is nearly double Boston's of ~2,323 people per square mile (of habitable land).

Quoting B752OS (Reply 23):
. Boston is still a much larger and more important business center than the Miami area is.

On a domestic scale, of course. Absolutely no doubting that. On an international scale? Not really.

Quoting B752OS (Reply 23):
BOS has continued to grow since 2002 and is going to post another solid year of growth.

Yes it has, but so has every airport. Boston's 2005 traffic figures were below Boston's 2000 figures. So much for the "whenever someone drops service another airline replaces them right away" theory.

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Sun Dec 24, 2006 4:12 pm

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 19):
I would try to do the same thing. Long ago it was A300's on that route. How long has it been since the A300's last flew this route? Eitherway, the 763 is the best option.

The A300s have not been on the route for at least six years. Before AA stopped flying 738s to O'Hare and MD80s to Miami, the route was a mix of S80/738/757. I loved the S80s. No IFE, but very comfortable and quiet, and AA's S80s have excellent interiors.

Quoting LVTMB (Reply 20):
Mmmm .... I guess that may have changed recently. During the past few months they've had 7-5s on all three.

The 763 came back in November.

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 22):
and it looks to me that we might well see the B772 deployed on some additional routes.

AA is closely studying Miami-Jo'Burg (probably via a West African city) and O'Hare-Bombay as potential alternatives if Dallas-Beijing doesn't work out (which is very likely given the Chicago stop change). Indian media also leaked a story that they are looking at O'Hare-Banaglore, but a 772 can't do it non-stop. I'm crossing my fingers for Jo'Burg, but it just doesn't seem like a risk AA is willing to take. Sad, because Miami-Jo'Burg, even if it were via a third point like Lagos, would print money to no ends.
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Sun Dec 24, 2006 4:37 pm

Quoting N62NA (Reply 18):
The 762s are old and, while the interiors are in pretty good shape for the most part, you definitely get an 80s kind of nostalgia feeling when you step aboard.

If you ask me, the interiors is what is keeping the thrill of commerical aviation alive. My recent LAX-JFK on an AA 762 was amazing and I enjoy the nostalgia. I'm all about the boxy overhead bins and projector screens. I never had a chance to experience these birds new, so I appreciate how AA is still keeping them around. Give me an AA 762 over a CO 738 any day of the week (on one of the transcons of course and the seats are way more comfy too.) Trust me, you will miss these birds when it is all said and done.

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 16):
The 757s are in such horrid condition that I aim for the 738s or 777s when traveling to South Florida.



Quoting N62NA (Reply 18):
It's having to fly coach on the 757s that I absolutely hate (though 1st class on the AA 757s is ok).

Have you flown on the AA 757s with the new seat covers? Yes, it is a dissapointment. If AA is serious about keeping these birds around for a while they should completely gut the interior seats and just install new ones. My back always gets sore after the LAX-EWR transcons. Those 757s are good, reliable a/c no less, and AA needs to throw more $$ to those birds.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 25):
AA's S80s have excellent interiors.

Yes those are some very nice birds.

Quoting B752OS (Reply 23):
They have added a third daily BOS-LAX flight and have upgraded 2 of the 4 daily SFO flights to 763s

Yes, but come summer the UA BOS-SFO routings will be back to 752s again.
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Sun Dec 24, 2006 5:41 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 25):
AA is closely studying Miami-Jo'Burg (probably via a West African city) and O'Hare-Bombay as potential alternatives if Dallas-Beijing doesn't work out (which is very likely given the Chicago stop change). Indian media also leaked a story that they are looking at O'Hare-Banaglore, but a 772 can't do it non-stop.

What about AA's plan for India service via BRU? No longer deemed competitive with all the nonstop services around, I presume?
 
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Sun Dec 24, 2006 6:02 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 27):
What about AA's plan for India service via BRU? No longer deemed competitive with all the nonstop services around, I presume?

Pretty much. Summer of 2005, I would have said JFK-BRU-BOM (which would also have likely been joined by a new USA-BRU route, MIA or DFW) was as good as go. Though in the end, AA made the choice that it wasn't wise to enter the market one-stop, when non-stops represent the future of US-India travel and it would likely be short-lived route. When AA goes to Bombay, it will be non-stop, probably from Chicago. Though there are definitley some range issues that may arise over flying their 772s on Chicago-Mumbai, which is 500mi longer than Chicago-Delhi.
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Sun Dec 24, 2006 7:53 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 28):
Pretty much. Summer of 2005, I would have said JFK-BRU-BOM (which would also have likely been joined by a new USA-BRU route, MIA or DFW) was as good as go. Though in the end, AA made the choice that it wasn't wise to enter the market one-stop, when non-stops represent the future of US-India travel and it would likely be short-lived route. When AA goes to Bombay, it will be non-stop, probably from Chicago. Though there are definitley some range issues that may arise over flying their 772s on Chicago-Mumbai, which is 500mi longer than Chicago-Delhi.

Hopefully no pilot issues..at least its "open skies" so there shouldn't be a "lobbying problem"..

This is where not having a -200LR is going to be a hinderance to AA..yes I know I know there would be engine differences, but given how AA has its own m/x facilities..it might not have been too much of problem, especially if they had 5-7 in the fleet..

Regardless, I hope AA could take care of some of these issues and put in ORD-BOM and MIA-JNB....
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Sun Dec 24, 2006 8:47 pm

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 16):
The 757s are in such horrid condition that I aim for the 738s or 777s when traveling to South Florida.



Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 19):
You are definetely not alone in that sediment.

Any reason why this much loved airliner in Europe is hated by you guys in AA and UA form? Just bad interiors?
 
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Sun Dec 24, 2006 8:59 pm

I thought AA had parked all of there B-767-200s and B-767-200ERs. So, the B-767-300ERs are not the only 76s they are still flying? We don't see any AA B-767-200ERs at DFW anymore.
 
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Sun Dec 24, 2006 9:10 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 31):
I thought AA had parked all of there B-767-200s and B-767-200ERs

AA has parked all of the -200's but still operates 12 (or is it 13) -200ERs and will for the foreseeable future
 
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Sun Dec 24, 2006 9:45 pm

That AA is using its ""business jet"" , the 762ER with a full F class interior, is proof of the growing business traffic on the MIA-LAX route; its an interesting move, its been a while since the 762ERs have deviated from the NYC transcon routes.....aside from a season turn out of JFK to either Bermuda or Miami, these airplanes have been dedicated to the JFK transcons.

I am curious if we may be seeing the beginning of some type of trend....could there be a (very profitable) market for true F class on US transon flights that is being ignored? I am talking about an international level F/J class product, not the nonsense product which the US carriers refer to as domestic F, with sleeper seats, full deluxe meal services and the like? There is potentially a lot of money to be made with a just a few full fare F pax on each flight. I suspect that AA is quietly taking a look at this market (with the 777 flight and the 762ER flight) on the MIA-LAX run.....the 762ER ending up flying MIA-LAX may be more than more effecient aircraft use. Time will tell.

Quoting BA787 (Reply 30):
Any reason why this much loved airliner in Europe is hated by you guys in AA and UA form? Just bad interiors?

Yep.....the 757s at AA have the worst interiors in the AA fleet (in my opinion)....remember during the old MRTC days, the 757s (and A300s) were the first to get seats added back since these types were going to be dedicated to high demand lower yeild destinatons (which was nonsense, many of the carib routes flown by these types are anything but low yeilds....but thats another story). 757s frequently show up on transcon and other longer haul segments, where the older interior fittings, mediocre pax room and lack of advanced IFE systems quickly becomes appearant.
 
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Sun Dec 24, 2006 10:10 pm

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 33):
Yep.....the 757s at AA have the worst interiors in the AA fleet (in my opinion)....remember during the old MRTC days, the 757s (and A300s) were the first to get seats added back since these types were going to be dedicated to high demand lower yeild destinatons (which was nonsense, many of the carib routes flown by these types are anything but low yeilds....but thats another story). 757s frequently show up on transcon and other longer haul segments, where the older interior fittings, mediocre pax room and lack of advanced IFE systems quickly becomes appearant

I can always rely on you to give me a thorough reply Big grin Is it the same on the newer 752's the 2000 made ones etc?
 
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Sun Dec 24, 2006 10:37 pm

Quoting BA787 (Reply 34):

I can always rely on you to give me a thorough reply Is it the same on the newer 752's the 2000 made ones etc?

New or old, the entire AA 757 fleet has a "'below-average"" feel........some thought that the ex-TW birds were more comfortable (the ones now leaving AA and mainly going to DL) but personally I felt no real difference.

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Sun Dec 24, 2006 11:24 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 24):
They have added a third daily BOS-LAX flight and have upgraded 2 of the 4 daily SFO flights to 763s.

There's NO evidence of that. Going to UAs own web site, I picked a random weekday--January 16--and found only TWO BOS-LAX nonstops...flights 161 & 167. Furthermore, while there are four BOS-SFO circuits, none of them are 767-300s. They are all 757s. If you still dispute that, you can take it up with UALs webmaster...lol.

My point about the Massachusetts economy going forward is simply based on the metrics that cause companies (and the residents who work at them) to either come to a city/metro area or relocate. It's not rocket science that the most common such metrics...taxes, cost of living, cost of housing, climate...are all negative for Massachusetts/Boston when compared with other regions (i.e. RTP, the sun belt) that might be vying for the same companies. And don't even mention tax incentives, which most companies want from a state & which Massachusetts is loathe to give out. I'm not trying to pick a fight here, but if you were a CEO looking to open a new, large branch office how well do YOU think Boston stacks up? One industry where I do believe Boston shines--and Novartis is proof--is biotech. But when you're re-locating from Europe, Boston does look good by comparison.

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Mon Dec 25, 2006 12:37 am

AA will enhance the 762's cabins starting Summer 2007. It was recently announced to AA employees. The FC seats will be new and FC will get an addt'l seat for a total of 10. New sidewalls, new TV monitors and AVOD in FC. Seems they will keep the 762's for a while. The process will take from 12 to 18mos. keep in mind they are still reconfiguring their 763's (the Business Class duvets for the 763's were recently launched and they will also be avbl on the 777's.) I heard AA will reconfigure the 757's next, w/new FC seats and new lavs. Guess will have to wait a while for the 757's to look better. I welcome the fact they will retain the 762's for Transcons, nice plane when most airlines tend to switch to 757's, a 762 is better than a narrow 757 anytime.
 
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Mon Dec 25, 2006 1:18 am

Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 26):
Have you flown on the AA 757s with the new seat covers? Yes, it is a dissapointment. If AA is serious about keeping these birds around for a while they should completely gut the interior seats and just install new ones. My back always gets sore after the LAX-EWR transcons. Those 757s are good, reliable a/c no less, and AA needs to throw more $$ to those birds.

Yes, frequently on EWR-MIA and MIA-SJU runs. The 757 is a fantastic airplane, but the coach sardine can configuration and bare bones seats (comfort wise) make me always request an upgrade to first when I'm on this AA aircraft.

Coach on the AA 757 is as bad as coach on the AA A300, though I'll always choose the 757 flight because:

a) More first class seats (better chance at getting an upgrade)
b) Much less likely to be delayed due to mx issues

Quoting BA787 (Reply 30):
Any reason why this much loved airliner in Europe is hated by you guys in AA and UA form? Just bad interiors?

Speaking for just myself, yes. And I am unanimous in that!
 
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Mon Dec 25, 2006 3:26 am

The "AA rumor mill" indicates new coach seats will be installed on the 757s when they get a cabin upgrade for F and Y. The AB6 coach seats are better than the AA 757s. AA AB6's are quite comfortable especially for the routes they fly less than 5hr 15mins flying time. Not bad at all. Recently most of the AB6s when through a cabin cleaning around 90% got revised bulkhead covering and fresh seat covers in all cabins, also "fresh" carpets. It is hard to keep those AB6s in pristine condition since they fly a lot...recently flew (2) trips from CCS and one from JFK (full loads) and paxs trashed the cabins...trash everywhere, everything thrown on the floor. AA Cabin Service (cleaners) have a challenge to pick up all that garbage during quick turns during the day. Wonder why the same people that trash the planes and throw garbage everywhere are the ones who complain the most about aircraft cleanliness!!! Do you see people at home or at work throwing garbage everywhere???? There are still quite a few AA A300s w/the "old" bulkheads but all will get a "re-fresh", no major enhancements since they will not be around for too long (3 to 5 years), hopefully a replacement will be announced. It is an ongoing process, most AA planes get a deep-cleaning w/all seat covers replaced, carpets, bulkheads, cushions, etc...once a year unless an item requires immediate attention. Flight crews are good at reporting items that need attention, the Maintenance takes over between flights or during overnights.
 
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RE: AA: 762s To Be On MIA-LAX; 772s MIA-ORD

Mon Dec 25, 2006 3:28 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
And a useless fact: Every single Boeing type in AA's fleet is used on MIA-LAX: 738 (1x), 757 (3x), 763 (1x), 762 (1x), and 772 (1x).

Technically the DC-9-80 (Super 80) is a Boeing....
 
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Mon Dec 25, 2006 3:51 am

where is the additional 762ER coming from? I was under the impression that utilization on the JFK-SFO/LAX routes is pretty high. Is AA redeploying equip from one of those routes?
 
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Mon Dec 25, 2006 4:46 am

Quoting Sptv (Reply 41):
where is the additional 762ER coming from? I was under the impression that utilization on the JFK-SFO/LAX routes is pretty high. Is AA redeploying equip from one of those routes?

Don't know if they are redeploying the 762s that they have going back and forth between JFK and MIA.
 
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Mon Dec 25, 2006 5:41 am

Quoting Sfojfk (Reply 42):

Don't know if they are redeploying the 762s that they have going back and forth between JFK and MIA.

That flight remains. AA has been slowly removing 762s and reducing frequencies on JFK-SFO. I have a feeling that AA is testing the waters on removing their F-class product from JFK-SFO and moving it to MIA-LAX. JFK-SFO has seen AA significantly reduce capacity and frequency in the past three years. The "jetBlue effect" has been felt much harder there, especially because Oakland and San Jose subsitute for business travelers quite well thanks to it's location, but Long Beach and Ontario don't realy substitute for business travelers for LAX, as they aren't located in convienent areas for business travelers to most of the LA area.
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Mon Dec 25, 2006 6:15 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 43):
JFK-SFO has seen AA significantly reduce capacity and frequency in the past three years. The "jetBlue effect" has been felt much harder there

Not just that, however I would say United's hubbing presence at SFO and its p.s. product has affected AA on that route more then in LA.
As of now JFK-SFO is down to 5 AA flights, of which only 3 on a regular basis are 3 class, while LAX on the other hand sees 11- 3 class flights.
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Mon Dec 25, 2006 6:27 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 24):
Yes it has, but so has every airport. Boston's 2005 traffic figures were below Boston's 2000 figures. So much for the "whenever someone drops service another airline replaces them right away" theory.

How does passenger growth shoot down my point? Let me explain. AA trims BOS-LAX, UA steps in and adds a third daily flight. AA has dropped several Florida routes, B6 and FL have stepped in and added service. I never said other airports have not seen increases, I was only talking about BOS and the growth they have seen and will continue to see. So I guess my point does make sense; you trying to shoot it down is what does not make sense.

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 36):
There's NO evidence of that. Going to UAs own web site, I picked a random weekday--January 16--and found only TWO BOS-LAX nonstops...flights 161 & 167. Furthermore, while there are four BOS-SFO circuits, none of them are 767-300s. They are all 757s. If you still dispute that, you can take it up with UALs webmaster...lol.

I don't understand your confusion. I looked at several dates throught Feb, Mar and Apr and saw 3 daily flights between BOS-LAX.

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 36):
My point about the Massachusetts economy going forward is simply based on the metrics that cause companies (and the residents who work at them) to either come to a city/metro area or relocate. It's not rocket science that the most common such metrics...taxes, cost of living, cost of housing, climate...are all negative for Massachusetts/Boston when compared with other regions (i.e. RTP, the sun belt) that might be vying for the same companies. And don't even mention tax incentives, which most companies want from a state & which Massachusetts is loathe to give out. I'm not trying to pick a fight here, but if you were a CEO looking to open a new, large branch office how well do YOU think Boston stacks up? One industry where I do believe Boston shines--and Novartis is proof--is biotech. But when you're re-locating from Europe, Boston does look good by comparison.

Sure the Boston area is expensive, I won't fight you on that. But look at the NYC area, the LA area, they are even more expensive and fantastic areas. Boston is going to continue to focus of what we do best, Bip-Tech, High-Tech and Financial Management. I really think Patrick is going to do a lot for the state. I know you like to think otherwise, but the whole Eastern New England region is at one when it comes to the health of the economy.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 24):
On a domestic scale, of course. Absolutely no doubting that. On an international scale? Not really.

Finally we agree on something. You sound unsure about the International side, yes, Boston is larger than Miami.


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Mon Dec 25, 2006 6:57 am

Looks like AA will also put a 762 on the afternoon SAN-JFK flight starting February 2007. Will be nice to have a wide-body on the route, even though it looks like net reduction in seats (757 its replacing has more seats).
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Mon Dec 25, 2006 7:20 am

Quoting B752OS (Reply 45):

I don't understand your confusion. I looked at several dates throught Feb, Mar and Apr and saw 3 daily flights between BOS-LAX.

He might be looking at a Saturday schedule, in which there are only two daily flights on LAX-BOS (and three on BOS-SFO). Though he is right about widebodies. UA does not fly any widebodies on Boston-California flights.

Quoting B752OS (Reply 45):
You sound unsure about the International side, yes, Boston is larger than Miami.

I'm not unsure. Internationally, Miami is far more important than Boston for the simple reason that it is the key gateway between not only North America and Latin America/the Caribbean, but between Europe, Asia, and Africa and Latin America/the Caribbean. Miami deals with more multinational corporations, ranging from tech, media, automotive, and pharmaceutical, to banking. That's for another topic, though. If you feel Boston is of more importance on an international scale (and from that then you'd probably agree that Latin America means next to nothing globally), then that is fine, it is an opinion after all. Pretty impressive what Miami can fit into an area 1/4th the size of Boston.

Quoting B752OS (Reply 45):
So I guess my point does make sense; you trying to shoot it down is what does not make sense.

You claim that an airline will always fill in gaps when another airline drops service. First, that isn't true, even though there are examples of it, there are many examples of an airline not doing it. Secondly, if it was true, why were Logan's 2005 traffic figures still below 2000? Not that is not common, many airports, such as MIA and SFO, have traffic figures still below 2000.
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Mon Dec 25, 2006 8:53 am

Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 39):
The "AA rumor mill" indicates new coach seats will be installed on the 757s when they get a cabin upgrade for F and Y.

If AA eventually replaces their 752s with the 738/S80 type seats, I will bet you thousands that almost all the users here on A.net will stop complaining.
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RE: AA: 762s To Be On MIA-LAX; 772s MIA-ORD

Mon Dec 25, 2006 9:01 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 47):
You claim that an airline will always fill in gaps when another airline drops service. First, that isn't true, even though there are examples of it, there are many examples of an airline not doing it. Secondly, if it was true, why were Logan's 2005 traffic figures still below 2000? Not that is not common, many airports, such as MIA and SFO, have traffic figures still below 2000.

That has been the pattern for BOS over tha last few years, other carriers picking up service dropped by someone else. Major cities that carriers, namely AA, that have been dropped have been picked up. SEA, SJC, ORF, FLL, PBI, AUS, BNA all come to mind.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 47):
I'm not unsure. Internationally, Miami is far more important than Boston for the simple reason that it is the key gateway between not only North America and Latin America/the Caribbean, but between Europe, Asia, and Africa and Latin America/the Caribbean. Miami deals with more multinational corporations, ranging from tech, media, automotive, and pharmaceutical, to banking. That's for another topic, though. If you feel Boston is of more importance on an international scale (and from that then you'd probably agree that Latin America means next to nothing globally), then that is fine, it is an opinion after all. Pretty impressive what Miami can fit into an area 1/4th the size of Boston.

I will just agree to dissagree with you on this one. In addition to being home to some of the top business schools in the nation, which Miami lacks greatly, Boston has several major companies with large operations in other continents. I really don't see where you get Miami being the central point between Africa, Asia, Europe and Latin America.

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