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China Airlines To Order 10 747-8 Replace 343/744

Mon Dec 25, 2006 11:12 am

http://udn.com/NEWS/FINANCE/FIN1/3660797.shtml (Chinese Big 5 code required)

Taiwan's Economic Daily (member of UDN News) on 25DEC06 is reporting that China Airlines has launched the fleet renewal plan, with Boeing 747-8I likely to be in the winning league.

The airline will hold a special fleet renewal meeting in coming weeks presenting its study report. In mid-January, there will be board meeting discussing the study report.

Sources close to the airline says the airline is likely leaning to order at least 10 747-8I to replace 340-300 and its 2nd generation 747-400 (delivered between 1997-2000), which values at USD$2.5billion

China Airlines spokesperson declined to comment on the reports.

Previously due to the bitter Taiwan and US relations, forced China Airlines to postpone the 747 order in April 2006. However, US seems to be pressuring Taiwan recently, leading to the revival of the order. (China Airlines claims the postponed order was due to high fuel price which erodes its profit)

China Airlines currently flies 67 jets, average age 5.0 years. The last A300-600R will be retired and 7 A340-300s will be phased out soon, due to its age. The poor performing A340-300 leads to the dis-satisfaction and also, the order for A340 family is pretty close to its deathbed.

[Edited 2006-12-25 03:24:26]

[Edited 2006-12-25 03:25:52]
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Mon Dec 25, 2006 11:20 am

Wow this is awesome. good for the project. I assume this was one of the 3 serious airlines boeing was spealing with.
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Mon Dec 25, 2006 11:27 am

Merry Christmas Boeing if this pans out.
It is only 1023am local time in Taipei, so hopefully there is more news on this to come today...

Quoting Jimyvr (Thread starter):
(Chinese Big 5 code required)

Is that to translate the page? Since none of that made ANY sense to me!

Still, another Blue Chip airline for the airplane many considered to be a dinosaur.

That Boeing company sure builds some incredible, long lasting airplanes, like the B-52, by the time the last 747 leaves the skys, it could very well have had a service life of almost 100 years!
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RE: China Airlines To Order 10 747-8 Replace 343/744

Mon Dec 25, 2006 11:28 am

Looking forward to an announcement now. Will the 10 be firm or a mixture of firm and options?
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Mon Dec 25, 2006 11:33 am

Quoting Stirling (Reply 2):
Is that to translate the page? Since none of that made ANY sense to me!

Because original article is in Chinese only :-P
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Mon Dec 25, 2006 11:34 am

Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 1):
Is that to translate the page?

That is to read correct Chinese traditional characters.

Oh and I love to see this happen! Love 747s!
 
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Mon Dec 25, 2006 11:46 am

Yesterday one of their 744s visited HKG on a normal scheduled flight but wearing an US registration N168CL. Does anyone know the fate of this aircraft and why it has been reregistered? The thread says the 744s will be replaced, but not so soon surely!!!
 
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Mon Dec 25, 2006 11:52 am

Merry Christmas Boeing.



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Mon Dec 25, 2006 11:55 am

false alarm here... well, according to this source:

http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/afx/2006/12/24/afx3281204.html
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Mon Dec 25, 2006 11:57 am

YES! The last of the Pan Am land super clippers will live longer. For any body that do not understand what I said. The Boeing 747 was the last giant Boeing land airliner built for Pan Am needs. It follow the Boeing 307, 377 and 707 in this tradition. It is good to see such an airliner stay around longer.
 
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Mon Dec 25, 2006 11:58 am

Great news for the 747-8I programme! Combined with LH's order, the Intercontinental is starting to gain some serious momentum in the market. I'm guessing the 744s that will leave CI will be the oldest they've got (I recall they have a few of the very last 744 PAX built).

Now we need BA and CX to order a few of those 747-8Is. Big grin
 
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Mon Dec 25, 2006 11:59 am

Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 6):
Yesterday one of their 744s visited HKG on a normal scheduled flight but wearing an US registration N168CL

Might be going back to the lessor? The registration belongs to Wells Fargo.

EDIT: or entering the CI fleet -- the certificate is valid until mid-January according to the FAA registry.

[Edited 2006-12-25 04:01:06]
 
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Mon Dec 25, 2006 12:06 pm

makes no sense to order only 10 747-8s to replace 6 A343s and up to 11 744s.

there will be no political pressure on CI from the ROC government to order Boeings, not when Boeing are in deep dodo with the present administration in Taipei for
1. insulting the Taiwanese VP by Boeing cancelling a visit to Everett by the VP at the last minute under pressure from Beijing
2. Boeing IDSs refusal to discuss industrial offsets for the Apache Longbow till ordered to do so by the Pentagon (again to keep Beijing happy) when Bell and Sikorsky are tripping over themselves to send work to Taiwan

I do feel they will eventually order 747-8s to replace the Pratt powered 744s but only because it really is the best solution for them. 747-8Fs in a few more years may also make sense to replace their 21 744Fs. I think the A343 replacement is a different program altogether.

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Mon Dec 25, 2006 12:40 pm

Quoting Brenintw (Reply 12):
Might be going back to the lessor? The registration belongs to Wells Fargo.

EDIT: or entering the CI fleet -- the certificate is valid until mid-January according to the FAA registry.

hmmm, interesting, it was registered by FAA only 4 days ago. its c/n 29906 which entered service in 99 with CI. maybe they are doing a selling and leaseback deal. they haven't done that for a few years
 
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Mon Dec 25, 2006 12:43 pm

Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 6):
Yesterday one of their 744s visited HKG on a normal scheduled flight but wearing an US registration N168CL. Does anyone know the fate of this aircraft and why it has been reregistered?

This is for maintainance purposes because for some unspecified reason when encoutering with FAA.

Quoting BoeingBus (Reply 8):
false alarm here... well, according to this source:

Of course, China Airlines says there's no timetable, like any other airlines.
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Mon Dec 25, 2006 1:00 pm

China Air needs the planes and Boeig needs the order. Every body gets something they want. Though not the first Asian airline I would seek an endorsement of for the 748, China Airlines is Asian launch custimers for the type.
 
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Mon Dec 25, 2006 5:18 pm

all i can say is good riddance to those CI A340s, it was, without a doubt the most physically uncomfortable airplane i've ever flown on. maybe in the meantime, while they wait for their 748s, they can spend some money on things like changing the coach seats on their current A340s to something that's um Comfortable!
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Mon Dec 25, 2006 5:34 pm

Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 22):
while they wait for their 748s, they can spend some money on things like changing the coach seats on their current A340s to something that's um Comfortable!

Are´t A340 sets significant wider then 747-8i economy seats and isn´t 2-4-2 significantly more comfortable then 3-4-3?

Apart from that A340 provide one of the most silent smooth rides in the industrie.

Has CI done something strange with their A340s ?
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Mon Dec 25, 2006 6:53 pm

Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 6):
wearing an US registration N168CL.

N168CL-Previously B-18209
Registration was changed on 20DEC06, due to a need of an in-house U.S. registered aircraft to help the CI Maintenance keeping their FAA repair station certificate. Otherwise the aircraft remains owned by CI.

Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 22):
they can spend some money on things like changing the coach seats on their current A340s to something that's um Comfortable!

All the A340s in CI (except for B-18851) had gone cabin refit already. They all had 2-class service and PTV for everyone. I'm sure they are as comfortable as they come in cattle class.


If I had something concrete I will bring your attention. In the meantime I'll poke around some high-level managers to see if they heard anything. Since CI was obsessed NOT to complicate their fleet simplicity, 748i would be the only choice in replacing long-haul aircraft. The question would then be what they would do with the capacity gap between an A340 and a 744/748i?
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Mon Dec 25, 2006 7:15 pm

Quoting Keesje (Reply 23):
Are´t A340 sets significant wider then 747-8i economy seats

No.

Quoting Keesje (Reply 23):
isn´t 2-4-2 significantly more comfortable then 3-4-3?

Yes.

Quoting Keesje (Reply 23):
Apart from that A340 provide one of the most silent smooth rides in the industrie.

No and no. The A340 is relatively quiet, but it is not silent. The B777 and B747 are both smoother through turbulence.
 
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Mon Dec 25, 2006 7:27 pm

Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 22):
all i can say is good riddance to those CI A340s, it was, without a doubt the most physically uncomfortable airplane i've ever flown on.

The about 15 colleagues of mine that have used CI within the past 12 months all beg to differ - each and every one, separately, commented on how comfortable those A340s were.

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 25):
No and no. The A340 is relatively quiet, but it is not silent.

Silent? True, that it is not. However, it does remain significantly less noisy than the B777 or B747 or A330.

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 25):
The B777 and B747 are both smoother through turbulence.

Based on my personal experience, I beg to differ.
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Mon Dec 25, 2006 7:28 pm

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 25):

pls clarify, assuming 8 abreast on a340 (5,28m), 10 abreast on 747 (6,1m) and same width aisles (min 46 cm), the apples to apples avialable width per seat on the a340 comes out higher..
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Mon Dec 25, 2006 7:50 pm

Quoting Keesje (Reply 23):
Apart from that A340 provide one of the most silent smooth rides in the industrie.

That's only because when you spend that much time on the runway (A-340-300), you have solid ground below you, and the hairdryer engines don't make much noise at full thrust (both pounds).

On a hot summer day (100 degrees +, F, at DFW) the daily LH A-340-300 uses 11,000'+ of our 13,400' long runways. It seems like they will drive all the way to FRA.
 
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Mon Dec 25, 2006 7:56 pm

Quoting Leskova (Reply 27):
it does remain significantly less noisy than the B777 or B747 or A330.

Yes, I wrote that the A340 is relatively quiet.

Quoting Leskova (Reply 27):
Based on my personal experience, I beg to differ.

What sort of weather you encountered is not relevant to how smooth an aircraft is through turbulence. The B747 is smoother through turbulence simply by virtue of having more mass. The B777 is smoother (in the vertical component only) by means of a clever feature of the autopilot system. The A350 and B787 will be yet even smoother by using a more advanced system (that will work also in the horizontal component).

Quoting Keesje (Reply 28):
pls clarify, assuming 8 abreast on a340 (5,28m), 10 abreast on 747 (6,1m) and same width aisles (min 46 cm), the apples to apples avialable width per seat on the a340 comes out higher..

Standard seat width on a B747 is 17.2" and on an A340 17.5". You asked whether the difference is significant. It's not, in the sense that the difference in seat width between the A320 and the B737 is significant. If you want to argue that the A340 is more comfortable in Y than the B747, stick with the fewer middle seats argument.
 
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Mon Dec 25, 2006 8:14 pm

Boeing just can't stop getting widebody orders. Last year more than 400, this year more than 300.
 
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Mon Dec 25, 2006 8:20 pm

Quoting Cobra27 (Reply 31):
Boeing just can't stop getting widebody orders. Last year more than 400, this year more than 300.

As the backlogs grow in time, it becomes more and more difficult to secure new orders. Boeing will have difficulty selling more than about 250 widebodies in 2007. They can probably sell about 50 each of B747 and B777. Selling more than 150 B787s will be tough given the limited availability of delivery slots. B767 sales are likely to be in single figures.
 
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Mon Dec 25, 2006 8:52 pm

Let avoid the politics (again).....

China Airlines has always been one of the airlines that was considered to be a prime candidate to launch or order the 748I......this is not a big surprise but very very nice news for Boeing if this order can be finalized in the coming months. Expect an order for 10 with 10 options to replace the 744/A343 fleet......with growing demand, China Airlines has probably simply outgrown the need for a long range airliner in the A340 size category and will replace both the 744 and A343 with one type, the 748I. Savings from the elimination of a fleet type, combined with a very sharp deal on the 748I, results in this deal making a lot of sense.
 
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Mon Dec 25, 2006 10:28 pm

Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 22):
all i can say is good riddance to those CI A340s, it was, without a doubt the most physically uncomfortable airplane i've ever flown on. maybe in the meantime, while they wait for their 748s, they can spend some money on things like changing the coach seats on their current A340s to something that's um Comfortable!

I dont get this.

A340 has 18inch wide economy seats and the A340 has one of, if not THE the quietest cabin currently in service, and 2-4-2 layout.

The 748 and along with all jumbos have 17.2inch seats, and I think 3-4-3 layout.

How is the A340 uncomfortable?????
 
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Mon Dec 25, 2006 10:50 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 29):
On a hot summer day (100 degrees +, F, at DFW) the daily LH A-340-300 uses 11,000'+ of our 13,400' long runways. It seems like they will drive all the way to FRA.

Outside of this making you personally uncomfortable, it's not a problem till it starts taking more than 13,400'.

You do realize there are many variables in the equation, and if it were not safe, LH would not attempt it.

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 32):
As the backlogs grow in time, it becomes more and more difficult to secure new orders. Boeing will have difficulty selling more than about 250 widebodies in 2007. They can probably sell about 50 each of B747 and B777. Selling more than 150 B787s will be tough given the limited availability of delivery slots. B767 sales are likely to be in single figures.

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Tue Dec 26, 2006 12:04 am

Interesting turn of events! Looks like another win for the 747!
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Tue Dec 26, 2006 12:15 am

Quoting Leskova (Reply 27):
Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 22):
all i can say is good riddance to those CI A340s, it was, without a doubt the most physically uncomfortable airplane i've ever flown on.

Why do people always blame the airplane? Airlines configure them to their own specs (type of seats, width, pitch, etc). It's not the manufacturer's fault if a carrier chooses to scrimp on comfort. I dare say in a few years some people will be griping about how uncomfortable the 380 is. Perhaps they need to stop flying commercial and charter? It just goes to show some people will always find something to bitch about.
 
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Tue Dec 26, 2006 12:16 am

I have not seen any credible reports that CI are not happy with their A343s except that they can't do JFK-TPE with full load year round. As for their seats, I can't comment, never having been on their A343 but I did fly on a A333 last year and their seats were fine. Don't know if they use the exact same Y seats though. If you want torture, take an LH A343. The first time I thought it was just an older plane with all the foam in the seats gone, but having done about a half dozen flights now, it seems its like that on all their A343s. ORD-MUC on an as hard as wood board seat ain't no fun. Yet their A320 seats are great. Seems LH need to replace the A343 seats with whatever else they have in the fleet.

CI need something of the A343s size and range, the A333 is relatively short legged for some Euro and most if not all transpac flights, unless they want to stop in ANC all the time, and the 748 too large for many routes the A343 is flying. Since the A343s are only at most 5 years old now, I can see them waiting for the A359s or getting 787s eventually.
 
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Tue Dec 26, 2006 12:28 am

how does AF get a seat 1 in larger than everyone else?? do they have narrower aisles or is this just a function of differences in where you are measuring on the seat?
 
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Tue Dec 26, 2006 1:01 am

Quoting Bluewhale18210 (Reply 24):
N168CL-Previously B-18209
Registration was changed on 20DEC06, due to a need of an in-house U.S. registered aircraft to help the CI Maintenance keeping their FAA repair station certificate. Otherwise the aircraft remains owned by CI.

Thats very interesting. So it will not be registered like this for long then. Does anyone know of other airlines which have to go through this procedure, and how often does CI have to do this?
 
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Tue Dec 26, 2006 1:16 am

Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 48):
Quoting Bluewhale18210 (Reply 24):N168CL-Previously B-18209
Registration was changed on 20DEC06, due to a need of an in-house U.S. registered aircraft to help the CI Maintenance keeping their FAA repair station certificate. Otherwise the aircraft remains owned by CI.
Thats very interesting. So it will not be registered like this for long then. Does anyone know of other airlines which have to go through this procedure, and how often does CI have to do this?

wouldn't they need to maintain a N registered plane at all times for this FAA certificate?
is this requirement true for other certifying authorities also?
 
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Tue Dec 26, 2006 1:18 am

Most of the China 744 fleet is PW powered, and chance that UA could pick up some of those birds for added capacity?
 
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Tue Dec 26, 2006 1:36 am

Quoting Warreng24 (Reply 51):
Most of the China 744 fleet is PW powered, and chance that UA could pick up some of those birds for added capacity?

If they offer them cheap enough via lease, could be...
 
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Tue Dec 26, 2006 2:52 am

How about a combination 747-8 and 787-9/787-10 to replace 747-8 and A343-300?
 
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Tue Dec 26, 2006 3:10 am

Quoting Warreng24 (Reply 51):
Most of the China 744 fleet is PW powered, and chance that UA could pick up some of those birds for added capacity?

Good question. IMO, once the UA/CO deal is done there will be a large 748 offer form them.
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Tue Dec 26, 2006 3:29 am

Quoting Keesje (Reply 23):
Has CI done something strange with their A340s ?

An inferior aircraft will always be inferior no matter how you use it right.

Quoting 777FlyGuy (Reply 42):
Why do people always blame the airplane?

Well, the airline said it.

Quoting Trex8 (Reply 43):
I have not seen any credible reports that CI are not happy with their A343s except that they can't do JFK-TPE with full load year round.

If it's only one report we can shrug it off. But when there are tons of sources popping there and there, one can really take it seriously.

Quoting Trex8 (Reply 43):
CI need something of the A343s size and range, the A333 is relatively short legged for some Euro and most if not all transpac flights

They're thinking about re-routing Frankfurt through Abu Dhabi so the 333 have no problem for European run. As for New York, they can put 744 back and reduce frequencies

Quoting Trex8 (Reply 43):
Since the A343s are only at most 5 years old now, I can see them waiting for the A359s or getting 787s eventually.

I thought the first 340 arrives in 2000/2001, so it'll be 6-7 years old by 2007?

Quoting UAL747-600 (Reply 57):
How about a combination 747-8 and 787-9/787-10 to replace 747-8 and A343-300?

Looks like long-haul fleet renewal is priority. The A330s are relatively new.

Quoting Bluewhale18210 (Reply 59):
also I believe they will start flying TPE-SYD and TPE-BNE with A330 now.

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RE: China Airlines To Order 10 747-8 Replace 343/744

Tue Dec 26, 2006 3:36 am

Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 62):
An inferior aircraft will always be inferior no matter how you use it right.

Keejse talked about comfort and not fuel efficiency.

Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 62):
Well, the airline said it.

What - that it's "not comfortable enough"?


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Tue Dec 26, 2006 3:55 am

As always, I will wait till the 747-8I is rolling down the active painted in CI colors for its first revenue flight. With that being said, congrats on to Boeing on the early positive news.
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Tue Dec 26, 2006 4:03 am

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 64):

Keejse talked about comfort and not fuel efficiency.

The airline in the article says the technical-wise is not up to their expectation, also inferior aircraft in the days of high fuel price.

The other problem is, Taiwan treats A330 and A340 as 2 different types, regardless how Airbus want to dispute it. As a result, The A340 is the 4th type, which is the oddball because CI only wants to keep the fleet to 3 types - 744, 333, 738.
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Tue Dec 26, 2006 4:09 am

Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 66):
The airline in the article says the technical-wise is not up to their expectation, also inferior aircraft in the days of high fuel price.

Both users you quoted in post 62 talked about comfort, while you replied with a reference to technical issues.


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Tue Dec 26, 2006 4:21 am

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 60):
If it were an inefficient aircraft, you'd find it parked in the deserts.

Conversly, if it were an efficient aircraft, which it clearly is not by current standards, Airbus could still sell them beyond the small handful of orders we've seen this year.  Yeah sure
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Tue Dec 26, 2006 4:40 am

Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 68):
Conversly, if it were an efficient aircraft, which it clearly is not by current standards, Airbus could still sell them beyond the small handful of orders we've seen this year.

The A343 is outperformed by the competition - but that still doesn't make it "inefficient" - otherwise it would be parked in significant numbers in the deserts like various other types. Interestingly, not a single A343 is in longterm storage - quite an achievement for a model which lacks "efficiency" as some people seem to be convinced...  Yeah sure


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RE: China Airlines To Order 10 747-8 Replace 343/744

Tue Dec 26, 2006 4:59 am

someone somewhere must have data for eg AF A343 and 772ER flights and how fuel burn compares on similar routes.
 
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RE: China Airlines To Order 10 747-8 Replace 343/744

Tue Dec 26, 2006 6:13 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 38):
How is the A340 uncomfortable?????

Trex8 described it perfectly in another post, it was like the seat was made of wood, or preformed cardboard, with no cushion, hence my description of it as being physically uncomfortable. I had no problem with the width or the legroom (i was in a bulkhead seat) just with the comfort of the seat itself.
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RE: China Airlines To Order 10 747-8 Replace 343/744

Tue Dec 26, 2006 6:20 am

And that relates to the aircraft itself how?

Ok LH has rather hard seats, and I like it. Nothing annoys me more than a soft seat (be it in a car, a train or a plane). Now, I'm not too fond of LH's Y Class at all, but you can't make a perfect seat for everyone. Some say it is too hard, other say it is too soft, some say this, some say that. The best you can do is find a compromise where you will satisfy the majority of your customers/users.

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RE: China Airlines To Order 10 747-8 Replace 343/744

Tue Dec 26, 2006 6:21 am

Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 72):
Trex8 described it perfectly in another post, it was like the seat was made of wood, or preformed cardboard, with no cushion, hence my description of it as being physically uncomfortable. I had no problem with the width or the legroom (i was in a bulkhead seat) just with the comfort of the seat itself.

Airbus don't make the seats. A variety of manufacturers do. It is up to each airline to select the seats. Whichever seats you didn't like are probably installed on a Boeing model somewhere.

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