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ANA Launch "ana Business Jet" 737-700ER - 48 Seats

Mon Dec 25, 2006 5:17 pm

ANA has announced the launch of 737-700ER with infos unveiled on 25DEC06.



(photo: ANA)

ANA Group is entering the phase of "development business", with the launch of "ANA Business Jet". "ANA Business Jet" will be delivered in March 2007, enters service on 25MAR07, the new Nagoya-Guangzhou route.

The 737-700ER, will feature the long-haul business class, dubbed "Club ANA BJ", and the economy class will be identical to long-haul premium economy, dubbed "Economy BJ", 24 seats each in both class.


(photo: ANA)

The Nagoya-Guangzhou route will be ANA's 5th international route out of Nagoya, also means ANA will be flying 20 routes, 147 weekly flights to China.
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Mon Dec 25, 2006 5:39 pm

Interesting selection on its first route.
While I had initially suspected a longer route, this doesn't surprise. When the loads (pax & cargo) build-up, it might move up to a 763.

Also interesting that the economy section is 2-2 not 2-3 or 3-3.

In other news:
It appears the first A320 to be used outside of the Japan-Seoul route will be the daily NRT-TAO. NH will take delivery of an A320 in Jan 2007 and this aircraft will probably be outfitted in a new cabin layout and used on this route.
 
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Mon Dec 25, 2006 5:46 pm

38" pitch in Y with 2-2 configuration. Not bad.  Smile That's what the US majors call First Class.  Sad
 
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Mon Dec 25, 2006 7:28 pm

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 2):
Also interesting that the economy section is 2-2 not 2-3 or 3-3.

Thats a first for a 737 economy section.

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 3):
That's what the US majors call First Class.

Amen to that one.

How much do tickets cost for this flight?

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Mon Dec 25, 2006 9:28 pm

I didn't expect this flight to be to CAN. I was expecting it to be to someplace like Tianjin or further west into China.

Right now NGO-CAN is served by CZ 2x week using a 757 and daily by JL using a 767. This certainly makes things interesting. The question is what will JL and CZ do to stand up to this new NH BJ.

NH BJ...not bad.
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Tue Dec 26, 2006 12:55 am

They need a 73G ER for NGO/CAN? Seems like a waste. Maybe this is the route proving run and then they'll move it to something more fitting range-wise?
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Tue Dec 26, 2006 1:00 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 6):
They need a 73G ER for NGO/CAN? Seems like a waste. Maybe this is the route proving run and then they'll move it to something more fitting range-wise?

Yeah seems like overkill, but maybe NGO-CAN has strong high-margin fares and NH is doing a "UA p.s."-type service to snag the full-fare Business and Economy pax?
 
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Tue Dec 26, 2006 1:18 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 6):

How bout NRT-HNL, NGO-ANC.

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Tue Dec 26, 2006 1:23 am

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 9):
How bout NRT-HNL, NGO-ANC.

NRT-HNL is a low-yield market; sardine class is needed there. I have no idea about NGO-ANC, but I wouldn't expect a lot of demand.
 
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Tue Dec 26, 2006 2:29 am

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 9):
How bout NRT-HNL, NGO-ANC.

Yikes...those are either rock bottom yield or close to zero demand. I would think something more like NRT/Middle East.
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Tue Dec 26, 2006 3:21 am

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 9):
How bout NRT-HNL, NGO-ANC.

You expect a Business Jet flying to destinations with no money to make?
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Tue Dec 26, 2006 3:39 am

Clearly they bought the 73GER to fly longer routes than this. This is initial service, short range, to allow for reliability trials.
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Tue Dec 26, 2006 3:44 am

However, NGO-CAN seems like a business-heavy route that will match well with the product. Japan probably has a ton of similar markets all over Asia, perhaps Eastern Europe / Europe too. I would not expect it to go to the USA, but SJC could be a target...

The ultra-luxury 48 seater is a new concept, and it may have lots of applications...
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Tue Dec 26, 2006 3:49 am

How about a flight that connects the Boeing facility to the 787 parts companies in Japan? Not sure which airports that would be...
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Tue Dec 26, 2006 3:51 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 15):
How about a flight that connects the Boeing facility to the 787 parts companies in Japan? Not sure which airports that would be...

NGO-SEA - "The Dreamliner Express".
 
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Tue Dec 26, 2006 3:56 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 16):

Why SEA? That was my question, do the local airfields that boeing and their partners use have FIS for G/A purposes?
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Tue Dec 26, 2006 4:00 am

Nagoya-Seattle not on the list.

India is next.
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Tue Dec 26, 2006 5:21 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 17):
Why SEA? That was my question, do the local airfields that boeing and their partners use have FIS for G/A purposes?

Well you could arguably fly the plane into BFI (I believe it has Customs & Immigrations facilities), but I am not sure PAE does. Also, Boeing and the local 787 suppliers are spread out around the area, so SEA would provide a common departure and arrival point.

Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 18):
Nagoya-Seattle not on the list.

There were rumors of NH starting a SEA-NGO service, but honestly it's about as easy to fly SEA-NRT on UA then connecting to NH for NRT-NGO or doing SEA-SFO-NGO on UA,
 
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Tue Dec 26, 2006 5:50 am

When does the first one roll out? Is boeing gonna do a rollout ceremony for this model even tho this is essentially a BBJ1.
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Tue Dec 26, 2006 5:54 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 17):
There were rumors of NH starting a SEA-NGO service, but honestly it's about as easy to fly SEA-NRT on UA then connecting to NH for NRT-NGO or doing SEA-SFO-NGO on UA,

SEA-NGO is not on the list of 737-700ER route as of this stage.
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RE: ANA Launch "ana Business Jet" 737-700ER - 48 Seats

Tue Dec 26, 2006 6:14 am

Can it do a Japan-eastern seaboard US route and make a profit? Would that even be in the cards?
 
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Tue Dec 26, 2006 6:24 am

Quoting Idlewild (Reply 21):
Can it do a Japan-eastern seaboard US route and make a profit? Would that even be in the cards?

Not enough range.
 
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Tue Dec 26, 2006 8:36 am

ANA has stated that they plan to use this plane mostly in Asia and focused on specific China business routes. But I would not be surprised if they change this at some point. But I don't think we will see North America or Europe.
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Tue Dec 26, 2006 9:12 am

Interesting concept, The flight is about 4 hours to Guanzou. This looks great for something longer, like a ten hour flight. European cities like Prague or Vienna may work for a limited capacity plane like this. US west coast cities from secondary US Japanesse cities. Great looking concept, seen it on the Atlantic.
 
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Tue Dec 26, 2006 9:18 am

Gee i wish someone here in the states would try that. Of course it couldnt be to profitable. I had bought 6 rows of seats from their 767,s after they had sold it to a freight company,and they really were not bad to have around the house, good conversation piece, and great for the kids to play games on..xbox ,playstation..
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Tue Dec 26, 2006 11:24 am

Quoting Centrair (Reply 22):

Agree with you on that one. I wouldn't be surprised if they decide to do FRA-NGO, PRG-NGO, or London-NGO. Dubai could also be on that list.

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Tue Dec 26, 2006 12:09 pm

Quoting Centrair (Reply 22):
But I don't think we will see North America or Europe.

Unless they orders more -700ER.
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Tue Dec 26, 2006 12:15 pm

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 25):
FRA-NGO, PRG-NGO, or London-NGO. Dubai could also be on that list.

hmm....
LH currently operates FRA-NGO 6x week (A343).
EK opperates daily DXB-NGO (A345)
PRG....possibilities. But is there a lot of Japanese investment in PRG?
I would add BKK and some places in India to the list

Nagoya Departures (EXCEL 255KB) See where everyone flies now and what the possibilities could be.

Problem is that they haven't ordered many of these planes. I think it is two.
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Tue Dec 26, 2006 12:18 pm

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 25):

Agree with you on that one. I wouldn't be surprised if they decide to do FRA-NGO, PRG-NGO, or London-NGO. Dubai could also be on that list.

Frankfurt and Dubai already have widebody service to Nagoya, so no reason for the 73GER on those routes. Prague is too small, even for the 73GER. You'll see them on secondary routes to India and other long-haul Japan-Asia routes that aren't quite dense.
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Tue Dec 26, 2006 1:15 pm

Well, I'm just trying to guess what routes could warrant a luxary class 73GER flown by NH.

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Tue Dec 26, 2006 1:41 pm

How about a little out of the box like NRT-CBR. No international service to CBR at the moment and plenty of high yield business and govt traffic. Plus gives ANA a foothold into Australia again. Might work for SYD too, but surely they would reenter that market with something a bit more substantial?
 
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Tue Dec 26, 2006 10:14 pm

ANA could market it as the "GOLFER EXPRESS" to Australia or Hawaii. Japan-Singapore could work too. It could be marketed as a shopping trip to Italy for desiger goods for rich Japanesse women with all their disposable yen.
 
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Tue Dec 26, 2006 10:33 pm

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 25):
I wouldn't be surprised if they decide to do FRA-NGO, PRG-NGO, or London-NGO.

Perhaps CDG-NGO to compete with JL's daily two-class 772ER?
 
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Wed Dec 27, 2006 12:16 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 32):
Perhaps CDG-NGO to compete with JL's daily two-class 772ER?

It would one heck of a competeion. What routes can we expect in the near future? I would presume they would be niche routes.

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Wed Dec 27, 2006 7:41 am

What is the effective range of the aircraft with the 48-seat layout? Boeing says one thing on the BBJ website, but as we all know, that differs greatly from range in real-time. So far the longest flight for the BBJ in a commercial configuration is Privatair's AMS-IAH route on behalf of KL, but how many more miles can they squeeze out of it?

I ask this as everyone has thrown out the ideas of US West Coast flights to smaller Japanese cities, but with range around 4,500nm, it leaves pretty much only SEA and PDX.

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Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:19 am

One route that I could imagine would be Japan (anywhere basically) to Dusseldorf, the biggest Japanese colony in Europe without any direct flights. This one could work, although LH would probably not be too happy about a flight by a Star partner avoiding their hubs.
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Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:17 am

Quoting FLY777UAL (Reply 34):
What is the effective range of the aircraft with the 48-seat layout?

Per Boeing, about 5,510 nm (10,200 km), however that would be 48 Business Class seats (which can weigh a good deal more then Economy), so I imagine NH should have no problem serving routes up to that range.
 
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Wed Dec 27, 2006 5:44 pm

I would have thought that HKG, PVG, PEK or ICN from NRT would have been a better option.
 
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Wed Dec 27, 2006 11:19 pm

ANA could do this concept with a 787-8 for Europe and America. With 8500 miles of range that could fly to almost any place nonstop from Japan except South America.
 
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Wed Dec 27, 2006 11:19 pm

^
Why exactly? This flight will be full most of the month. Toyota and several of their group companies run several plants in Guangzhou and there is constant back and forth. I know a guy who has been to CAN eight times since September already.
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Thu Dec 28, 2006 3:37 am

Quoting Airevents (Reply 35):
One route that I could imagine would be Japan (anywhere basically) to Dusseldorf, the biggest Japanese colony in Europe without any direct flights. This one could work, although LH would probably not be too happy about a flight by a Star partner avoiding their hubs.

i do agree, and IRIC LH once studied the 'Privatair' case for DUS-NRT. but would the 73W-ER have enough range to serve such a route nonstop?

dude, do you really mean Japanese 'colony'?  Wink last time i checked, Dusseldorf was home to many Japanese and Korean expatriats, but it did belong to Germany...
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