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PIA To EWR & New 777-ER

Tue Dec 26, 2006 8:26 am

Word on the street has it that starting in March , PIA will start 2 flights a week to EWR from KHI . Although , still in talks, chances of then starting is very likely, as NY / NJ is one of the busiest sectors PIA currently offers. Emphasis on ONE OF THE.

Also , the recently delivered 777 will run KHI - MAN - JFK.

This came from close relatives, who might just be a station manager @ JFK.
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RE: PIA To EWR & New 777-ER

Tue Dec 26, 2006 8:50 am

I'm surprised they wouldn't just try a KHI-JFK direct flight instead of going to a new airport for the direct flight.
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RE: PIA To EWR & New 777-ER

Tue Dec 26, 2006 9:33 am

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 1):
I'm surprised they wouldn't just try a KHI-JFK direct flight instead of going to a new airport for the direct flight.

I doubt they will start EWR...also, until the CAA (Pakistnan's Civil Aviation Authroity) fixes some problems, the FAA won't allow PK to fly nonstop to the United States from Pakistan (Canada is fine though).

PK is allowed to fly USA-Pakistan direct though.
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RE: PIA To EWR & New 777-ER

Tue Dec 26, 2006 9:37 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 2):
the FAA won't allow PK to fly nonstop to the United States from Pakistan



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 2):
PK is allowed to fly USA-Pakistan direct though.

Those two statements contradict themselves.

Direct and nonstop mean the same thing.
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RE: PIA To EWR & New 777-ER

Tue Dec 26, 2006 9:41 am

What Jacobin777 means is that PK can only fly the route non-stop in one direction. Apparently, due to unsufficient security, PK isn't authorized to operate from Pakistani airports non-stop to the United States. However, they can operate flights from Pakistan to the U.S. via another country which does have authorization for non-stop flights to the U.S. On the otherhand, because PK flights FROM the U.S. to Pakistan leave from TSA airports, the security is sufficient and thus flights can operate non-stop from the U.S. to Pakistan. They don't contradict eachother.

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RE: PIA To EWR & New 777-ER

Tue Dec 26, 2006 9:50 am

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 3):

Direct and nonstop mean the same thing.

No they don't. Non-stop is non-stop. Direct is via a third point. Mostly everybody will use the terms interchangeably, but in airline lingo, there is a significant difference.
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RE: PIA To EWR & New 777-ER

Tue Dec 26, 2006 9:56 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
No they don't. Non-stop is non-stop. Direct is via a third point. Mostly everybody will use the terms interchangeably, but in airline lingo, there is a significant difference.

Just to add; in airline lingo, direct flight refers to when a plane stops in an intermediate point(s) and there is no change of aircraft.
 
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RE: PIA To EWR & New 777-ER

Tue Dec 26, 2006 10:01 am

Quoting AQ737 (Reply 4):
What Jacobin777 means is that PK can only fly the route non-stop in one direction. Apparently, due to unsufficient security, PK isn't authorized to operate from Pakistani airports non-stop to the United States. However, they can operate flights from Pakistan to the U.S. via another country which does have authorization for non-stop flights to the U.S. On the otherhand, because PK flights FROM the U.S. to Pakistan leave from TSA airports, the security is sufficient and thus flights can operate non-stop from the U.S. to Pakistan. They don't contradict eachother.



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
No they don't. Non-stop is non-stop. Direct is via a third point. Mostly everybody will use the terms interchangeably, but in airline lingo, there is a significant difference.

Both of you are correct... Smile

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I should have been a little bit more clear...right now, because of FAA security, PK is not allowed to fly nonstop from Pakistan to the United States, however, PK is allowed to fly nonstop from the United States to Pakistan...in fact, YYZ and JFK nonstop are the reasons as to why they got the 777-200LR....
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RE: PIA To EWR & New 777-ER

Tue Dec 26, 2006 10:52 am

Oh ok, thanks for clearning that up guys. Sorry for the misunderstandment.

I was aware of the fact that PIA was not allowed to fly nonstop to the US from Pakistan but I was not aware that they could fly nonstop in one direction but not the other.

I could be wrong but I believe Air India will be starting direct BOM-JFK flights in the spring with their new 777-200LRs. Did India have a problem with nonstop flights both ways like Pakistan does?
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RE: PIA To EWR & New 777-ER

Tue Dec 26, 2006 10:58 am

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 8):

I could be wrong but I believe Air India will be starting direct BOM-JFK flights in the spring with their new 777-200LRs. Did India have a problem with nonstop flights both ways like Pakistan does?

No, not at all. The issues with Pakistan-->USA flights have been security issues, not range/tech issues.
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RE: PIA To EWR & New 777-ER

Tue Dec 26, 2006 11:25 am

Flying to EWR would be a good move on PIAs part due to the greater domestic connection opportunities the airport offers compared to JFK.

If they want EWR to succeed and want to maximize the useage of its B 772LRs, then it should fly KHI-DXB-EWR 3 times a week as the airline has full 5th freedom rights on the DXB-EWR-DXB route. In this way, one B 772LR can be dedicated to EWR 3 times a week and one can be dedicated to 3 weekly YYZ flights.

Just like how they are very successful getting 5th freedom traffic on their 2 weekly DXB-SVO-DXB route, their inflight product on the B 772LR has the potential to make DXB-EWR-DXB work too...both in J and Y classes.

Yes I know that EK flies triple daily to JFK, but PIA in EWR would be targeting a niche market of Pakistanis and other sorts of ppl living closer to EWR and those who do not like to commute to JFK!!!
 
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RE: PIA To EWR & New 777-ER

Tue Dec 26, 2006 11:40 am

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 10):
Flying to EWR would be a good move on PIAs part due to the greater domestic connection opportunities the airport offers compared to JFK.

If they want EWR to succeed and want to maximize the useage of its B 772LRs, then it should fly KHI-DXB-EWR 3 times a week as the airline has full 5th freedom rights on the DXB-EWR-DXB route. In this way, one B 772LR can be dedicated to EWR 3 times a week and one can be dedicated to 3 weekly YYZ flights.

Just like how they are very successful getting 5th freedom traffic on their 2 weekly DXB-SVO-DXB route, their inflight product on the B 772LR has the potential to make DXB-EWR-DXB work too...both in J and Y classes.

Yes I know that EK flies triple daily to JFK, but PIA in EWR would be targeting a niche market of Pakistanis and other sorts of ppl living closer to EWR and those who do not like to commute to JFK!!!

Behramjee..you have some great points (as usual), but we are talking about PK here...and unfortunately, they sometimes lack the imagination and foresight to take advantage of what they have.

I think just as important for PK would be to have codeshares (or join an alliance)...in Canada, I would like to see PK codeshare with WS..and in the United States, either with CO or AA...CO would provide good EWR-IAH connections....

Joining an alliance like OneWorld would be intersting too....
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RE: PIA To EWR & New 777-ER

Tue Dec 26, 2006 11:42 am

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 1):
I'm surprised they wouldn't just try a KHI-JFK direct flight instead of going to a new airport for the direct flight.

Exactly!!!!!

EWR? Why?
 
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RE: PIA To EWR & New 777-ER

Tue Dec 26, 2006 3:24 pm

Quoting MEACEDAR (Reply 12):

EWR? Why

To cater to the large affluent South Asian community within Northern New Jersey, many large International Airlines (Singapore, Lufthansa, Virgin, Air France, El Al, Swiss, Air India, British Airways, KLM) serve both EWR and JFK in the NYC metropolitan area.

Both airports serve the Financial and commercial district of Manhattan, EWR also serves Northern New Jersey to which is one of the most diverse and affluent areas of the US.
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RE: PIA To EWR & New 777-ER

Tue Dec 26, 2006 3:26 pm

PIA take delivery of 2 B 773ERs soon i.e. one now and one in Feb...so they have 2 extra aircraft to play around with to fly on new routes or increase frequency on current long haul cities served...unless they plan on retiring 2 B 747s when the B 773ERs are fully delivered.
 
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RE: PIA To EWR & New 777-ER

Tue Dec 26, 2006 3:47 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
Non-stop is non-stop. Direct is via a third point. Mostly everybody will use the terms interchangeably, but in airline lingo, there is a significant difference.

Not quite. Non-stop is a subset of direct.

Hence, every non-stop flight is also a direct flight but every direct flight is not a non-stop flight.
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RE: PIA To EWR & New 777-ER

Tue Dec 26, 2006 5:51 pm

Quoting AQ737 (Reply 4):
Apparently, due to unsufficient security, PK isn't authorized to operate from Pakistani airports non-stop to the United States. However, they can operate flights from Pakistan to the U.S. via another country which does have authorization for non-stop flights to the U.S.

so let me get this right, someone (or something) gets on the plane in Pakistan without "adequate security" , flies via someplace in Europe onto the US and in doing so is now "secure". what moron in TSA or HSD figured this one out!
 
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RE: PIA To EWR & New 777-ER

Tue Dec 26, 2006 6:46 pm

What about the check in baggage? If some explosive material is checked in a Pakistan airport due to 'inadequate security', will the halt in Europe help? I don't think the checked in baggage would be rescreened in Europe.
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RE: PIA To EWR & New 777-ER

Wed Dec 27, 2006 2:46 am

Quoting Trex8 (Reply 16):
so let me get this right, someone (or something) gets on the plane in Pakistan without "adequate security" , flies via someplace in Europe onto the US and in doing so is now "secure". what moron in TSA or HSD figured this one out!

But they don't get to the US if the 3rd country, the one with adequate security, stops them. And the UK re-checks everyone, incl. those transferring from western Europe.

Can someone explain why PK cannot offer a heightened security regime for these flights??? Similar to El Al at international airports. Never mind the politics but perhaps they could contract El Al...
 
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RE: PIA To EWR & New 777-ER

Wed Dec 27, 2006 3:52 am

Quoting Azstagecoach (Reply 18):

Can someone explain why PK cannot offer a heightened security regime for these flights??? Similar to El Al at international airports. Never mind the politics but perhaps they could contract El Al...

It's all about Pakistani politics..nothing else. Various officials of the Pakistani govt. don't feel they need to go through security in Pakistan...until everyone clears through security, the FAA will not let the CAA (Pakistan Civil Aviation Authority) allow nonstop flights to the United States.

It seems as if Canada doesn't have this problem though.


I know that the FAA has been working with the CAA on this particular issue, but I'm not so sure when we'll be seeing this issue solved.

Also, IIRC, there were a shortage of pilots to fly the both the YYZ and JFK routes nonstop (though I think this problem has been solved or is in the process of being solved)

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 14):
PIA take delivery of 2 B 773ERs soon i.e. one now and one in Feb...so they have 2 extra aircraft to play around with to fly on new routes or increase frequency on current long haul cities served...unless they plan on retiring 2 B 747s when the B 773ERs are fully delivered.

Behramjee, given the EU situation with the 747's, I'm not so sure if they have the extra aircrafts. In fact, IIRC, the B742's are basically going into retirement. The B743's though have been taken care of and are either now flying or are cleared to fly to Europe (United Kingdom in particular).

On a side note, PK get their 2nd 773ER (from ILFC) in Feb. 2007
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RE: PIA To EWR & New 777-ER

Wed Dec 27, 2006 5:47 am

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 10):
If they want EWR to succeed and want to maximize the useage of its B 772LRs, then it should fly KHI-DXB-EWR 3 times a week as the airline has full 5th freedom rights on the DXB-EWR-DXB route. In this way, one B 772LR can be dedicated to EWR 3 times a week and one can be dedicated to 3 weekly YYZ flights.

Just like how they are very successful getting 5th freedom traffic on their 2 weekly DXB-SVO-DXB route, their inflight product on the B 772LR has the potential to make DXB-EWR-DXB work too...both in J and Y classes.

Yes I know that EK flies triple daily to JFK, but PIA in EWR would be targeting a niche market of Pakistanis and other sorts of ppl living closer to EWR and those who do not like to commute to JFK!!!

Malaysian couldnt make a go of DXB-EWR and that was when EK had less JFK flights, so how would PIA be any different?
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RE: PIA To EWR & New 777-ER

Wed Dec 27, 2006 7:07 am

Quoting Humberside (Reply 20):
Malaysian couldnt make a go of DXB-EWR and that was when EK had less JFK flights, so how would PIA be any different?

1. MAS's B 772ERs suffered a payload restriction on the DXB-EWR-DXB route hence big loss of revenue. PIAs B 772LR would however be able to carry 310 pax in a 2 class layout + 15 tonnes of cargo.

2. MAS had a 3 class configuration for its flights and that failed big time due to the lack of premium class travel.

3. The O&D community between PAK and NYC is far bigger than KUL & NYC...Pakistanis residing in USA and Canada are willing to pay a premium upto US$ 100-150 if they can get to their homeland one straight direct flight or one stop max enroute rather than have 2 stops enroute. That is why EK, EY and PIA are the prefered airlines for pax bound for KHI, for LHE its PIA, EK, EY and KU where as for ISB its EK, PK, KU and BA.

4. Not everyone heading out to DXB from NYC likes to take a long commute to JFK especially if they live in NJ/Newark area.

5. PIAs J class prices are usually much lower than EKs, EY and the EU airlines flying from EWR to DXB via their hubs. PIAs J class on the B 772LRs offers a 60 inch seat pitch + 15 tv channels (including a dedicated cricket channel) + a recline of 180 degrees thus converting the seat into a 6ft 6 inch bed. For example, from YYZ, PIAs J class is priced at CAD 3300+ tax for a YYZ-PAK-YYZ fare where as EYs is CAD 4200 + tax and BA's is over CAD 5000+ tax for ISB!!!
 
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RE: PIA To EWR & New 777-ER

Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:17 am

Quoting Azstagecoach (Reply 18):
But they don't get to the US if the 3rd country, the one with adequate security, stops them. And the UK re-checks everyone, incl. those transferring from western Europe.

but if its a direct flight which just happens to stop in country X and there is no change of plane I can't see country X screening these passengers who may not even be getting of the plane!
 
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RE: PIA To EWR & New 777-ER

Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:48 am

Quoting Trex8 (Reply 22):

but if its a direct flight which just happens to stop in country X and there is no change of plane I can't see country X screening these passengers who may not even be getting of the plane!

Pax flying ORD-MAN-Pakistan have to get off the plane at MAN.....now I don't know if they go through a screening process again or not..
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RE: PIA To EWR & New 777-ER

Wed Dec 27, 2006 12:04 pm

Quoting Fahadmk (Thread starter):
Word on the street has it that starting in March , PIA will start 2 flights a week to EWR from KHI . Although , still in talks, chances of then starting is very likely, as NY / NJ is one of the busiest sectors PIA currently offers. Emphasis on ONE OF THE.

Will this mean a reduction is service to JFK?

How many flights does PIA have from JFK now? IS it 6x a week still?

Thanks

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RE: PIA To EWR & New 777-ER

Wed Dec 27, 2006 2:30 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 23):
Pax flying ORD-MAN-Pakistan have to get off the plane at MAN.....now I don't know if they go through a screening process again or not..

The reason for making all passengers get off the plane, is that when they are taken off, a manifest of the continuing passengers , who are going to the US is sent to the FBI/FAA for screening and then released. Only then is the flight cleared for takeoff.
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RE: PIA To EWR & New 777-ER

Wed Dec 27, 2006 2:59 pm

Quoting Planetime (Reply 24):
IS it 6x a week still?

KHI-MAN-JFK is operating at 5x weekly.
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RE: PIA To EWR & New 777-ER

Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:54 pm

Quoting Fahadmk (Reply 25):
The reason for making all passengers get off the plane, is that when they are taken off, a manifest of the continuing passengers , who are going to the US is sent to the FBI/FAA for screening and then released. Only then is the flight cleared for takeoff.

Fahadmk..I was talking about the other way around (going to Pakistan).... Wink

..but that's ok..its probably basically the same the other way around... Smile
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RE: PIA To EWR & New 777-ER

Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:42 pm

are they screened in MAN though???
 
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RE: PIA To EWR & New 777-ER

Wed Dec 27, 2006 11:28 pm

This is a good thing. With 2x week EWR service, that should be a good balance with their JFK service. There is a growing number of Pakistanis in New Jersey, and it would be more convenient for them and others in the Eastern Pennsylvania and Phildelphia areas.
Yes, it is unfortunate that non-stop service cannot be offered from Pakistan to the USA, but that is due to internal security issues within Pakistan. The western and northern districts of Pakistan near Afganistan are not under full control of the National government, and there is considerable anti-American and anti-Western attitudes including support and training of al-Queda types there. That means that we need to double check to keep out potential terrorists under such possible scenirors of them using such flights to get into the USA easier.
 
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RE: PIA To EWR & New 777-ER

Thu Dec 28, 2006 4:22 am

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 29):
That means that we need to double check to keep out potential terrorists under such possible scenirors of them using such flights to get into the USA easier.

if British security screened them in MAN, I would agree, if they don't, WTF does making the plane land in MAN do if the passenger/luggage wasn't actually screened appropriately back in Pakistan!

someone must know if they get off the plane and are screened in MAN!
 
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RE: PIA To EWR & New 777-ER

Thu Dec 28, 2006 4:51 am

Quoting Trex8 (Reply 30):
if British security screened them in MAN, I would agree, if they don't, WTF does making the plane land in MAN do if the passenger/luggage wasn't actually screened appropriately back in Pakistan!

someone must know if they get off the plane and are screened in MAN!

Two things about this route as my family travel on it quite often

1)with 5th freedom rights, the pax list must match up properly with the manifest as some pax only travel from ORD-MAN (not too many), some travel MAN-Pakistan (where most of the profits are made), and some will travel the whole ORD-MAN-Pakistan (like my family does)...
2)they don't force all pax to get off the plane (at least not yet)....
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RE: PIA To EWR & New 777-ER

Thu Dec 28, 2006 5:10 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 31):
2)they don't force all pax to get off the plane (at least not yet)....

Then I stand corrected; I guess direct same-plane flights don't get re-screened. And I agree it doesn't make a whole lot of sense if they don't get screened in MAN, since they could forward the passenger list to the US while still in Pakistan.
 
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RE: PIA To EWR & New 777-ER

Thu Dec 28, 2006 5:18 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 31):
2)they don't force all pax to get off the plane (at least not yet)....

are they "forcing" some or only those who want to stretch their legs??
 
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RE: PIA To EWR & New 777-ER

Fri Dec 29, 2006 3:40 am

PIA Express photo, they have not gained approval to fly this aircraft yet, AP-BIC belonging to Air Universal(Jordan) registered in Pakistan, it was to launch service on 25th Dec. no frills LCC serving only water, juices and peanuts, serving route Karachi-Lahore-Isblamabad

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RE: PIA To EWR & New 777-ER

Fri Dec 29, 2006 4:26 am

Quoting 777way (Reply 34):
PIA Express photo, they have not gained approval to fly this aircraft yet, AP-BIC belonging to Air Universal(Jordan) registered in Pakistan, it was to launch service on 25th Dec. no frills LCC serving only water, juices and peanuts, serving route Karachi-Lahore-Isblamabad

No its an acft leased for HAJJ flights from PAK to JED and the occassional domestic flight...and not solely for domestic flights.
 
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RE: PIA To EWR & New 777-ER

Fri Dec 29, 2006 7:36 am

Quoting Trex8 (Reply 33):

are they "forcing" some or only those who want to stretch their legs??

The "force" 95% of the pax off..I think they allow some J-class pax...
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RE: PIA To EWR & New 777-ER

Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:40 am

Quoting 777way (Reply 34):
PIA Express photo, they have not gained approval to fly this aircraft yet, AP-BIC belonging to Air Universal(Jordan) registered in Pakistan, it was to launch service on 25th Dec. no frills LCC serving only water, juices and peanuts, serving route Karachi-Lahore-Isblamabad

thanks for the photo, 777way. I had no idea about PK Express. It looks like it was taken a while ago..lol...but thanks anyway
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RE: PIA To EWR & New 777-ER

Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:56 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 36):
The "force" 95% of the pax off..I think they allow some J-class pax...

and they go through UK security?

actually its probably better they do that than be checked in Pakistan or even by the TSA in the US. Last month I had someone at Heathrow thumb through almost every page of my book opening out every few pages, I guess to be sure there were no cutouts or something. All my better halfs fault for forgetting about her deodorant and getting us extra attention! ! No TSA person has ever done more than flick a book, which used to make me think, couldn't someone put something in the middle of a thick book!!
 
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RE: PIA To EWR & New 777-ER

Sat Dec 30, 2006 2:08 am

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 35):
No its an acft leased for HAJJ flights from PAK to JED and the occassional domestic flight...and not solely for domestic flights.

Its not doing any Hajj flights and has been parked in Karachi for nearly a year now and will only be operating LCC service on the route mentioned, no full service domestic flights.
 
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RE: PIA To EWR & New 777-ER

Sat Dec 30, 2006 3:43 pm

Hey guys

when you do get off in MAN the PAX do get screened. cause i just experienced it. We have to go through rescreening before we can head upstairs for the depature terminal.
that for ORD-MAN-ISB 795.......and on the ways back from ISB-MAN- ORD in MAN the pax have to show their passports once agian before boarding the plane..

Fiaz
 
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RE: PIA To EWR & New 777-ER

Sun Dec 31, 2006 9:15 am

Quoting Fiaz (Reply 40):
when you do get off in MAN the PAX do get screened. cause i just experienced it. We have to go through rescreening before we can head upstairs for the depature terminal.
that for ORD-MAN-ISB 795.......and on the ways back from ISB-MAN- ORD in MAN the pax have to show their passports once agian before boarding the plane..

are the UK screening all transit passengers now even on same plane flights???
 
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RE: PIA To EWR & New 777-ER

Sun Dec 31, 2006 4:27 pm

Hey Trex8....

Yes they are, for some reason i dont know why but they screened each every passenger..

Fiaz

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Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos