gayrugbyman
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GB Airways At MAN

Wed Dec 27, 2006 12:31 am

What plans do GT have at Manchester in wake of the takeover of BA Connect by BE?

At present we just have flights to Paphos, Tenerife and Salzburg, but last summer MAN was well served by GT, with services to Las Palmas, Tenerife, Arrecife, Malta, Heraklion, Dubrovnil and Malaga.

Will we see a return to this number of services this coming summer? Anyone what GT have up their sleeve for MAN operations?
 
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RE: GB Airways At MAN

Wed Dec 27, 2006 12:37 am

Summer schedule to be:

Heraklion
Malta
Paphos
Tenerife South

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gayrugbyman
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RE: GB Airways At MAN

Wed Dec 27, 2006 12:41 am

So pretty big reduction in offerings then. Shame they didn't have the nerve to hold out with the Canaries servies.
 
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RE: GB Airways At MAN

Wed Dec 27, 2006 1:02 am

Will GT revert back to complimentary food and drink onboard?

Surely it will be difficult to retain BOB with the demise of BA Connect?

If I remember correctly, BA's decision to have BOB on Connect allowed GT to follow suit. But since there will no longer be BA branded aircraft with low frills service, will BA management ask GT to go back to full service?
 
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RE: GB Airways At MAN

Wed Dec 27, 2006 3:38 am

Rumours from friends at GB are that they are going to terminate the franchise agreement, possibly trading back under the GB Airways name as a lo-co. Lots of uncertainty with the airline at the moment after wee Willie's pronouncement on his dislike of franchise arrangements
 
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RE: GB Airways At MAN

Wed Dec 27, 2006 4:33 am

GT crews are going to ballot for a strike because they want salary increase (related to them leaving the beehive to another location at LGW). A big announcement is set to be released early next year!!!!

Quoting Bwaflyer (Reply 4):
Rumours from friends at GB are that they are going to terminate the franchise agreement, possibly trading back under the GB Airways name as a lo-co. Lots of uncertainty with the airline at the moment after wee Willie's pronouncement on his dislike of franchise arrangements

Well that would be a big mistake. BA's network would shrink significally without franchisee... BA gets some money for selling the brand to BMED and GB airways. Pax also connect on to BA's mainline. I would think that Baku, Addis Abeba, Tehran and Bishkek generate a wealthy bunch of pax connetecing to the US using Club or First.
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RE: GB Airways At MAN

Wed Dec 27, 2006 5:42 am

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 5):
Quoting Bwaflyer (Reply 4):
Rumours from friends at GB are that they are going to terminate the franchise agreement, possibly trading back under the GB Airways name as a lo-co. Lots of uncertainty with the airline at the moment after wee Willie's pronouncement on his dislike of franchise arrangements

Well that would be a big mistake. BA's network would shrink significally without franchisee... BA gets some money for selling the brand to BMED and GB airways. Pax also connect on to BA's mainline. I would think that Baku, Addis Abeba, Tehran and Bishkek generate a wealthy bunch of pax connetecing to the US using Club or First.

BMed terminating their franchise would be a loss to BA since they oeprate to the destinations you mention, but would GB Airways? Is a BA branded service to Crete or Paphos that important to BA? I dont think so and the few routes operated by GB Airways, that are important to BA, such as LHR-Casablanca could easily just be operated with the existing BA fleet and altering a few schedules

However, if GB went LoCo, could they lower their costs to match the lower fares? If they couldn't, I couldn't see a LoCo GB Airways working out
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RE: GB Airways At MAN

Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:15 am

I agree that British Airways could easily afford to lose some of the routes that GB Airways currently offer for them, the bulk of pax on these routes are looking for the cheapest possible point-to-point fare, which in most cases is going to be a low-cost or charter airline. I can't really imagine that BA gets that many passengers who are going for a connecting service, and if they do it must only be a handful. On routes which would be of enough significance for BA to keep a presence, they presumably would choose to go back to operating it themselves. The only downside is obviously a shrinking of the route network when other flag carriers manage to do so, but as Mr. Walsh likes to remind us, the airline isn't a charity or there for prestige, and only parts of the business which make money will continue - which is fair enough.

GB Airways could probably manage to go it alone, doing something like Monarch Scheduled, by flying both key and off-the-track Mediterranean routes with a product between full-service and low-cost, possibly including a codeshare with BA so they get to keep some form of presence on the route. GB have substantially lower costs than BA, so can imagine they'd make a good success from this, and I've always found GB service to be higher than mainline BA, presumably keeping a loyal customer base.
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RE: GB Airways At MAN

Wed Jan 03, 2007 7:03 am

I agree that GB Airways service standards used to be better than BA, but with a BOB concept, I don't know if I could say that any more.

I hope that GB do not leave MLA, as Air Malta needs a lot of competition on the MAN-MLA and LON-MLA routes. However, should GB quit MLA, I hope to see mainline BA take over. I am sure BA mainline would be profitable on the route, especially if they rework their schedule to red-eyes, leaving London in the evening, with an arrival back at London around 6 or 7 am.

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RE: GB Airways At MAN

Wed Jan 03, 2007 8:58 am

Quoting BBADXB (Reply 8):
I agree that GB Airways service standards used to be better than BA, but with a BOB concept, I don't know if I could say that any more.

I have just arrived on BA6848 LGW-TUN and the service has dropped once again. I have flown the route in March this year and we got the All Day Deli : a hot pizza slice, small salad and a fruit yugort pot. This time we only had 2 tramezzini for a 2h50 flight... It is nothing. They might as well introduce BOB. The porblem is, tickets to Tunisia are very expensive. Malta has a better service with a full meal service and on board films but the average ticket fare is less than that of Tunis...

I am a bit disappointed. I thought BA had the best service out of Tunis but LH and AF tend to have a better one now...
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RE: GB Airways At MAN

Wed Jan 03, 2007 2:27 pm

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 5):
BA's network would shrink significally without franchisee... BA gets some money for selling the brand to BMED and GB airways. Pax also connect on to BA's mainline. I would think that Baku, Addis Abeba, Tehran and Bishkek generate a wealthy bunch of pax connetecing to the US using Club or First.

I basically agree, but rather than shrinking the network, I really believe it's time for these routes to come under mainline operations (...yeah, I know, with what a/c??)

LAX, for example, probably fills the GT service to THR alone: anecdotally the cabin crew refer to those flights as 'The Tehran Express' or some such, and the Persian community in LA is relatively wealthy (Shah's son lives here most of the time, etc) and not all looking for discounted seats in M.

The connecting pax from Intl points must really get a shock with the change of gauge from 744 to 321 or similar - especially when LH is fielding intl configured 340s and 330s to THR, ADD, BAK (their THR service is even provided with the high J 340, giving a clue as to the revenue LH has identified and is chasing on connecting traffic)

Even KL sends out their 330 from AMS as does AF from CDG...

Well, AZ provides service with an A320 - but that's not exactly the company BA should be emulating.

Ironically, though, IF the franchise agreement were to end, do you think the only way to get to GIB from any London airport on BA is going to be on a codeshare through MAD on IB!!!!!
 
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RE: GB Airways At MAN

Wed Jan 03, 2007 8:27 pm

GT (GB) do not operate to THR, it is the other franchise Airline, BMED that does it!!

I would imagine that GB willl continue operating for BA at Gatwick, maybe even more services will head that way as sending some of the marginal LHR European routes down to Gatwick and then having them operated by GB will free up slots for the bigger money long haul routes.

The reason BA dropped THR was that it was running a 777 down there and could make no money on it, hence why BMED has an A321 on the route!
Other airlines such as LH run bigger aircraft but then they don't fly through Heathrow! If I was paying my own way from some of these places and connecting to the states then I would avoid Heathrow as you either run late or they lose your bags!!

If BA could make money on the route they would be doing it already!!
 
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RE: GB Airways At MAN

Thu Jan 04, 2007 6:02 am

Quoting Theginge (Reply 11):
GT (GB) do not operate to THR

oops - it was late in the day - what can I say?! So I was off-topic while digressing off-topic - apologies!

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