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EK To LAX From DXB And AKL In 2007

Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:10 am

Hello My Airliners.Net Friends and Happy New Year!

Was with my Exec friend from Emirates last week in LAS (PLaying CRAP!) and he gave me the low down of what they plan to do with the West Coast of the USA.

They plan to use the 5th freedom rights and fly A345 DXB-LAX-AKL Daily. BUT with the A380 debacle they have to delay the launch till late 2007.

EK was also looking at DXB-SFO-SYD but found there is more $$$ in freight from AKL to USA then from Aussie.

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RE: EK To LAX From DXB And AKL In 2007

Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:19 am

I hope next year Emirates launches LAX and SFO. California is truly a melting pot. It would seem to me that from California, especially LAX, there would be a market to anywhere in the world. In my opinion, LAX would be an ideal A380 route for EK, SFO could be a 777 route, with a stop in Europe. just my opinion, cheers....
 
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RE: EK To LAX From DXB And AKL In 2007

Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:36 am

Was LAX the next most important city to start service to in California after JFK?

As someone who flies between DXB and LAX 2-3x a year - I would really hope that EK would do something great with their economy product otherwise that could provide to be quite the miserable flight.

I imagine this could only be done with the 777-200LRs or 345s...I would think that it would be stretching the range on the 380 and that there wouldn't be enough demand anyway?
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RE: EK To LAX From DXB And AKL In 2007

Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:44 am

Quoting Airxliban (Reply 2):
Was LAX the next most important city to start service to in California after JFK?

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RE: EK To LAX From DXB And AKL In 2007

Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:55 am

Look out NZ...you got competition coming!

Thanks for the update.

What will the return flight be? Also, I didnt know they had 5th freedom rights out of LAX (or United States) to fly from LAX-AKL.....does The Emirates have open skies agreement with the United States?

Quoting Airxliban (Reply 2):
Was LAX the next most important city to start service to in California after JFK?

ORD, LAX and IAH were on the list. EK have already stated they wanted to start ORD but can't due to A380 delays.....

EK have also stated they want to start LAX with a possible B747-8I (if they ordered it)

I'm surprised that they would want to use an A345 given that they are getting their -200LR's next year....but none the less, the A345 is a great plane and should work well for EK...

Quoting N1120A (Reply 3):
In California? You are losing it Michel.

Us NoCalers would differ as to the most important city in California...


edit: or would it be DXB-AKL-LAX?

[Edited 2006-12-27 00:55:56]
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RE: EK To LAX From DXB And AKL In 2007

Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:55 am

Wow
This would make another round-the-world routing nicely. Way to go. cannot wait to take this route in 2008 once my graduate studies are completed!!!

Good luck and best wishes to all.
 
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RE: EK To LAX From DXB And AKL In 2007

Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:00 am

Quoting JDFlyVC10 (Thread starter):
there is more $$$ in freight from AKL to USA then from Aussie.

It seems they want this route alot due to its freight potential. In that case, the A380 or the A340-500 are NOT the aircraft for the route. I would expect 777-300ER or 777-200LR (more cargo space).
 
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RE: EK To LAX From DXB And AKL In 2007

Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:09 am

Quoting Airxliban (Reply 2):
I would think that it would be stretching the range on the 380 and that there wouldn't be enough demand anyway?

I am very certain that there is demand from LAX to the Mid East, even for the A380. I think its always been a range issue, not demand...
 
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RE: EK To LAX From DXB And AKL In 2007

Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:10 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 4):
does The Emirates have open skies agreement with the United States?

Yes they do. In addition EK does have very liberal traffic rights to NZ which they currently use on their AKL & CHC services which allows service via 3rd countries.

EK might as well focus on NZ as we all know the troubles Singapore Airlines has experienced along with slowness which Air Canada has encountered in launching its own LAX-SYD services.
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RE: EK To LAX From DXB And AKL In 2007

Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:19 am

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 8):
EK might as well focus on NZ

If it is true that EK are going to fly to the US from AKL in 2007, it is good news indeed! It make so much sense- and one of the reasons New Zealand is so important to the EK global airline plan. With the Australian government unlikely to give further rights to EK or SQ anytime soon to fly direct from Australia to the USA, EK will use its AKL min-hub to do Australia-USA, just as NZ does it -through AKL. Good for Australian and USA travellers, good for New Zealand.
 
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RE: EK To LAX From DXB And AKL In 2007

Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:25 am

This is exciting news indeed!!!

Is this route going to be a circular route (DXB-AKL-LAX-DXB), or would it be a AKL-LAX-DXB-LAX-AKL, or would it be a DXB-AKL-LAX-AKL-DXB?
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RE: EK To LAX From DXB And AKL In 2007

Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:35 am

Why would EMIRATES want to fly from Dubai to LAX via New Zealand ? That's not exactly a direct route to Calfornia. A 777-200LR nonstop DUBAI to LAX would be the way to fly the route. EK has this fascination with fly a Pacific route from Australia or NZ to the USA, why ?

There is so much traffic for them in the muslim world and the Far East whatever they did via the Pacific to America is peanuts. Flying their new A380 fleet regionally and to Europe and Asia should keep EK busy for the next 5 years. Fly nonstop tp Sao Paulo, Buenos Aires, LAX, SFO, ORD and other Americas cities should be nonstop from Dubai or via Europe as JFK is now served.
 
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RE: EK To LAX From DXB And AKL In 2007

Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:44 am

Quoting JDFlyVC10 (Thread starter):
EK was also looking at DXB-SFO-SYD but found there is more $$$ in freight from AKL to USA then from Aussie.

Ek do not have general fifth freedom rights from Oz, only to NZ, so they dont have the rights for DXB-SFO-SYD and I would think the chances of getting them before DJ & JQ start services to North America in late 2008/early 2009 are very remote.

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RE: EK To LAX From DXB And AKL In 2007

Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:47 am

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 8):
Yes they do. In addition EK does have very liberal traffic rights to NZ which they currently use on their AKL & CHC services which allows service via 3rd countries.

Thanks Laxintl.....I thought they had open skies agreements with the USofA.

I know AKL is via MEL or SYD...

Looking at EK's schedules, they have a lot of 5th freedom rights..no wonder they are interested in "divide and conquer"... spin ...I'm sure most of the countries regret signing open skies agreement with Dubai back in the middle 80's.......

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 10):

Is this route going to be a circular route (DXB-AKL-LAX-DXB), or would it be a AKL-LAX-DXB-LAX-AKL, or would it be a DXB-AKL-LAX-AKL-DXB?

I'm curious too..so far, according to the thread starter, its DXB-LAX-AKL...

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 11):
Why would EMIRATES want to fly from Dubai to LAX via New Zealand ? That's not exactly a direct route to Calfornia. A 777-200LR nonstop DUBAI to LAX would be the way to fly the route. EK has this fascination with fly a Pacific route from Australia or NZ to the USA, why ?

Doesn't matter if its not a direct route or not..they have pax/cargo rights..for them,it's a "regular scheduled flight"...if they can fill up bums and belly, I'm sure they aren't going to care.

As stated by the thread starter, its DXB-LAX-AKL....it was me who was questioning if its not the other way around....

EK doesn't have any fascinations besides "divide and conquer".. Wink

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 11):
There is so much traffic for them in the muslim world and the Far East whatever they did via the Pacific to America is peanuts. Flying their new A380 fleet regionally and to Europe and Asia should keep EK busy for the next 5 years. Fly nonstop tp Sao Paulo, Buenos Aires, LAX, SFO, ORD and other Americas cities should be nonstop from Dubai or via Europe as JFK is now served.

EK isn't primarily a "muslim carrier" like say PK or SV....they want to transport as many bums and cargo as possible using their DXB megahub and 5th freedom rights...also, who's to day they can't do both? They are certainly getting the hardware for it!
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RE: EK To LAX From DXB And AKL In 2007

Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:51 am

Quoting Juventus (Reply 1):
I hope next year Emirates launches LAX and SFO.

and ORD!

Quoting Juventus (Reply 1):
California is truly a melting pot.

as is Chicago!

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RE: EK To LAX From DXB And AKL In 2007

Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:56 am

I think some of us in LAX would love to know whether the plane comes back from AKL through LAX to Dubai. It would be great to have a non-stop LAX-DXB, but if it's an RTW it will only ever be the other way around.
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RE: EK To LAX From DXB And AKL In 2007

Wed Dec 27, 2006 10:06 am

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 11):
Why would EMIRATES want to fly from Dubai to LAX via New Zealand ? That's not exactly a direct route to Calfornia. A 777-200LR nonstop DUBAI to LAX would be the way to fly the route. EK has this fascination with fly a Pacific route from Australia or NZ to the USA, why ?

The whole point is that Emirates wants to get in on New Zealand - Los Angeles traffic. (Same way Singapore wanted SYD-LAX)
 
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RE: EK To LAX From DXB And AKL In 2007

Wed Dec 27, 2006 1:37 pm

So let me see if I have this straight.

Emirates is looking at the DXB-LAX-AKL not as a through flight, but actually two separate segments, that just happen to anchor on LAX?

Because anyone who flys from DXB to AKL, via the U.S. has got to be batty!
DXB to AKL as it is, is 7600nm....sticking LAX in the middle of the route makes it a comfortable 13,000! (Well, 12,900nm to be exact, the other number is well, just more dramatic!)

Quoting Airxliban (Reply 2):
I would really hope that EK would do something great with their economy product otherwise that could provide to be quite the miserable flight.

Having not flown Emirates, would you say their economy product is on par with QANTAS or United?
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RE: EK To LAX From DXB And AKL In 2007

Wed Dec 27, 2006 1:43 pm

I plan on going to AKL next year, and LAX-AKL on an EK 345 in F would be a dream come true, aviation wise. I have enough CO FF miles to pull it off, it's just a question of availability and timing...  Smile
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RE: EK To LAX From DXB And AKL In 2007

Wed Dec 27, 2006 2:04 pm

Quoting JDFlyVC10 (Thread starter):
Was with my Exec friend from Emirates last week in LAS (PLaying CRAP!) and he gave me the low down of what they plan to do with the West Coast of the USA.

LMAO... please.

I can see this once they get some A380 or 772LR's... Which is when? EK has (10) A345's and that is it. I can see them moving a few to run DXB-LAX but not daily until they get more a/c that can make that run w/o a stop. As for SFO... I have to agree with "AirxLiban" and say that SFO could get it done with a 772LR.

With Clark saying they want "enormous financial compensation" due to lose of revenue to the A380 delays god only knows where/what he is thinking for N. America.

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Although I do agree with all in saying that LAX will be EK's next stop after JFK.
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RE: EK To LAX From DXB And AKL In 2007

Wed Dec 27, 2006 2:22 pm

So what would be the flight time on a 345 going LAX-DXB?
 
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RE: EK To LAX From DXB And AKL In 2007

Wed Dec 27, 2006 2:58 pm

Quoting Stirling (Reply 17):
Because anyone who flys from DXB to AKL, via the U.S. has got to be batty!

Too right! As balmy as flying EK to JFK through DXB. But the point is to provide a global network, with no "end-of-the-earth", as New Zealand provides for the EK network at present - a dead end (with no disrespect intended to New Zealand - to itself it is as central as anywhere else, of course  Smile ). Having the connection on to the US will rid the network of that problem. Then, of course, some silly options will always be possible, given the huge network available. But there will always be a quicker way, unlike now...

Quoting Stirling (Reply 17):
Having not flown Emirates, would you say their economy product is on par with QANTAS or United?

EK cattle class is brilliant; top of its features being very fine food and IFE, both areas IMHO superior to QF and UA. FA style is a matter of preference: in my experience, EK's is internationalist and solid, QF's more personal perhaps...therefore more variable.

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 16):
The whole point is that Emirates wants to get in on New Zealand - Los Angeles traffic. (Same way Singapore wanted SYD-LAX)

It's also to use AKL as a hub, out of and into Australia and New Zealand. EK have prepared well by having their flights to and from BNE, MEL and SYD all coming in and going out of AKL within a very small time span.EK may later add to the list of feeders ADL and perhaps PER. That means they will all be good feeds into one flight to and from LAX through AKL. It is not as dissimilar from QF's system at the moment, which uses SYD as its hub (with a few direct flights from MEL). If you want to fly to LAX on QF from an Australian city, almost everything flies through SYD. EK will be using AKL as its hub to LAX, rather than SYD. In addition EK will have the New Zealand market place (about the size of Melbourne) to add another feed. It may seem a huge time addition for Australian feeds, but it isn't so bad if you factor in that though the Tasman takes around 4 hrs, AKL is 1 1/2 hrs closer to LAX than SYD. The time difference will be much better than that (and often marginal or better) compared to many QF flights. With a thinner route, EK should be able to make its connection time-loss through its AKL more efficient than QF does through its hub SYD.
 
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RE: EK To LAX From DXB And AKL In 2007

Wed Dec 27, 2006 3:19 pm

This is fantastic news! I can't believe it. Finally we will have decent competition to America! EK will now join NZ as being the only 2 airlines in the world to offer a true 'round the world' service. Does anybody know when anything official will be announced?

Any other routes from AKL in the pipeline? SIN? EZE? SFO? KUL? Exciting times for Emirates and New Zealand ahead.
 
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RE: EK To LAX From DXB And AKL In 2007

Wed Dec 27, 2006 3:39 pm

Quoting BEYauty (Reply 20):
So what would be the flight time on a 345 going LAX-DXB?

hmm... 17-18 hours most likely...not sure. Anyone else..?
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RE: EK To LAX From DXB And AKL In 2007

Wed Dec 27, 2006 4:10 pm

I'll believe it when I see it - EK have previously denied any intention to operate AKL-US . They are also suffering an a/c shortage due to the A380 problems and I just cannot see a low yielding route far away from their hub as a high priority
 
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RE: EK To LAX From DXB And AKL In 2007

Wed Dec 27, 2006 4:15 pm

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 24):
EK have previously denied any intention to operate AKL-US

Really? When?

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 24):
They are also suffering an a/c shortage due to the A380 problems

Uh, they take a new 777-300ER almost once a month. Sometimes more.

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 24):
I just cannot see a low yielding route far away from their hub as a high priority

Honestly, with all those new 777s, just where do you see them operating? AKL-LAX will be a high yielding route, for both pax and cargo.
 
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RE: EK To LAX From DXB And AKL In 2007

Wed Dec 27, 2006 4:41 pm

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 25):
AKL-LAX will be a high yielding route, for both pax and cargo.

if it is such a high yielding route why dont any of the US carriers fly it - they all seem to be expanding their international networks to anywhere they think they can make money - clearly they dont think they can do it US-New Zealand even having the 'home' advantage of domestic feed

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 25):
Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 24):
EK have previously denied any intention to operate AKL-US

Really? When?

during the whole NZ/QF debacle when NZ kept claiming that EK were going to set up a hub in AKL to justify their attempt to cosy up to QF - Tim Clark of EK repeatedly laughed off the idea of New Zealand - US services pointing out that they had more than enough growth in other areas without having to chase this market . if you search some of the archived threads on the subject you should find references

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 25):
Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 24):
They are also suffering an a/c shortage due to the A380 problems

Uh, they take a new 777-300ER almost once a month. Sometimes more.

yes , but they were supposed to be taking on even more a/c , at an even faster rate


it seems to be commonly accepted wisdom ( at least in most of the forums that I have read ) that the main reasons EK operates to New Zealand 4 x daily is because of the extortionate parking charges at Australian airports and the ability to throw this quick tag-on service into what would otherwise be a/c downtime . LAX-AKL return does not seem to me to meet the same sort of criterion - a 'tag-on' service that takes more than 24 hours to operate round trip ( thus demanding more than 1 a/c for the 'tag' alone) is a very different proposition . They would not even be able to fill it up with feeder traffic from SYD/MEL/BNE ( at least not without doing separate tickets - because the Howard government is very unlikely to allow EK Australia - US rights - just ask SQ who have been trying for years )

If this actually happens I will of course post apologies for my skepticism - but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for an EK announcement
 
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RE: EK To LAX From DXB And AKL In 2007

Wed Dec 27, 2006 5:00 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 4):
Look out NZ...you got competition coming!

Add QF to that also

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 10):
Is this route going to be a circular route (DXB-AKL-LAX-DXB), or would it be a AKL-LAX-DXB-LAX-AKL, or would it be a DXB-AKL-LAX-AKL-DXB?

From the looks of it DXB-LAX-AKL-LAX-DXB

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 22):
This is fantastic news! I can't believe it.

This hardly isn't surprising thou because EK have been knowen for wanting a piece of the NZ-USA market

If EK can offer a midday/early afternoon departure to LAX with a 6am-10am arrival then it would be excellent considering NZ 2x and QFs 1x AKL-LAX flights depart between 6pm and 11pm
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RE: EK To LAX From DXB And AKL In 2007

Wed Dec 27, 2006 5:14 pm

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 22):
This is fantastic news! I can't believe it.

I wouldn't believe it just yet.

Remember, the current agreement that allows Emirates to operate here is contingent on it "not unduly" affecting Air New Zealand's interests. It is expected to cater to and foster traffic between New Zealand and the Gulf. A LAX-AKL-DXB routing could hardly be argued to be doing that.

I'm not saying the agreement can't be renegotiated, but it seems it would have to be before EK could operate this service.
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RE: EK To LAX From DXB And AKL In 2007

Wed Dec 27, 2006 5:19 pm

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 26):
because the Howard government is very unlikely to allow EK Australia - US rights

well they have said that they do not want to operate AUST-US services
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RE: EK To LAX From DXB And AKL In 2007

Wed Dec 27, 2006 5:33 pm

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 26):
if it is such a high yielding route why dont any of the US carriers fly it

Because their products are simply 'crap' and their premium services cannot compete with the likes of NZ's new Business Premier and to a lesser extent, QF's Skybed.

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 26):
all seem to be expanding their international networks to anywhere they think they can make money

Haha, you mean to places where there is no decent competition like Ho Chi Minh or Brussels? Or places in Europe where low capacity 757's can make it to?

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 26):
clearly they dont think they can do it US-New Zealand even having the 'home' advantage of domestic feed

No the know that they can't do it because they are a bunch of airlines which cannot even begin to be compared o NZ/QF let alone EK with First Class 'suites' when they enter the market. I think you will find that th emajority of pax on NZ and QF's services to America are only travelling to LAX or SFO, I think it is about 3/5 - NZ has the 'home' advantage of connecting passengers from PER, ADL, CNS, CHC, WLG and to a lesser extent, MEL, SYD, BNE and the Islands.

EK will do well on the new DXB-AKL-LAX flight. They have a good brand recognition here from the current services and their outstanding reputation will draw many pax on the new route, something old UA could not do with New Zealand.

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 29):
well they have said that they do not want to operate AUST-US services

Yes, well with growing interest in the market from SQ and DJ and not to mention Canberra putting restrictions on EK, it is no wonder they are turning to 'open skies' New Zealand.
 
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RE: EK To LAX From DXB And AKL In 2007

Wed Dec 27, 2006 5:52 pm

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 30):
EK will do well on the new DXB-AKL-LAX flight.

well lets see if this is happening first. There is no official source to back the thread starters comments other than the executive

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 30):
They have a good brand recognition here from the current services and their outstanding reputation will draw many pax on the new route, something old UA could not do with New Zealand.

no doubt they will do well they have a very good product on their A345.
 
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RE: EK To LAX From DXB And AKL In 2007

Wed Dec 27, 2006 6:12 pm

All this speculation is based on two guys playing cards in Vegas?

Why not just wait for the announcement if it ever comes? With Air NZ having two direct flights a day plus an island hopper and Qantas how many passengers are there really! Be realistic people!
 
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RE: EK To LAX From DXB And AKL In 2007

Wed Dec 27, 2006 6:36 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 27):
If EK can offer a midday/early afternoon departure to LAX with a 6am-10am arrival then it would be excellent considering NZ 2x and QFs 1x AKL-LAX flights depart between 6pm and 11pm

It would probably depart AKL at 1630/1700 in the NZ summer after the SYD, MEL, BNE flights arrive. Although the return flight would be interesting with the AKL-SYD/MEL/BNE flights departing in the evening.

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 26):
it seems to be commonly accepted wisdom ( at least in most of the forums that I have read ) that the main reasons EK operates to New Zealand 4 x daily is because of the extortionate parking charges at Australian airports and the ability to throw this quick tag-on service into what would otherwise be a/c downtime

I can agree with the fact that it's better to send the aircraft to AKL/CHC than park them at SYD/MEL/BNE but EK is a global airline and they can tap into the NZ market this way. However it does seem that they aren't catering for much traffic to the Gulf at all.

Anyway lets see what happens with this.
 
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RE: EK To LAX From DXB And AKL In 2007

Wed Dec 27, 2006 6:59 pm

well if it happens lets hope they make good turnarounds unlike at the moment where they are parking the a340-500 on remote stands at akl for ages! and serounded by anz aircraft , im chuckling every time i see it at work .
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RE: EK To LAX From DXB And AKL In 2007

Wed Dec 27, 2006 7:22 pm

Quoting Airxliban (Reply 2):
I imagine this could only be done with the 777-200LRs or 345s...I would think that it would be stretching the range on the 380 and that there wouldn't be enough demand anyway?

The WhaleJet has sufficient range for DXB-LAX. Demand is another question.
 
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RE: EK To LAX From DXB And AKL In 2007

Wed Dec 27, 2006 7:45 pm

Quoting Antskip (Reply 9):
Good for Australian travellers

depends which side of the country your on, if your out west it means absolutely nothing because we still have to fly 4hrs to Melbourne or Sydney to meet an Emirates flight. great for Adelaide as they're less then 1hr flying time from Melbourne.

Quoting Antskip (Reply 21):
EK may later add to the list of feeders and perhaps PER.

don't hold your breath.
 
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RE: EK To LAX From DXB And AKL In 2007

Wed Dec 27, 2006 7:58 pm

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 36):
depends which side of the country your on, if your out west it means absolutely nothing because we still have to fly 4hrs to Melbourne or Sydney

Well EK has tried to get rights for PER-AKL but of course Unce John in Canberra and his team are out to protect QF. Hopefully we might see PER, ADL and maybe CNS or DRW added to the feeder service from AKL to LAX.
 
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RE: EK To LAX From DXB And AKL In 2007

Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:03 pm

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 37):
Well EK has tried to get rights for PER-AKL but of course Unce John in Canberra and his team are out to protect QF.

Let's be more clear. They are out to protect QF at the expense of the Australian consumer. Indeed, at the expense of the Australian economy.
 
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Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:21 pm

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 38):

Let's be more clear. They are out to protect QF at the expense of the Australian consumer. Indeed, at the expense of the Australian economy.

It would be "fair" if the playing field was level with competing carriers...I can't say the playing field right now is completely "fair and level" on either side.
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RE: EK To LAX From DXB And AKL In 2007

Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:27 pm

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 37):
Well EK has tried to get rights for PER-AKL but of course Unce John in Canberra and his team are out to protect QF.

All that may change. The Treasurer, Peter Costello, has indicated that if the takeover of QF is agreed to by the Australian government, their attitude will also be that the "new", much more cashed up QF, won't need such protection any more, and it may well be the beginning of much expanded rights to such airlines in Australia such as EK and SQ.
 
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RE: EK To LAX From DXB And AKL In 2007

Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:30 pm

Quoting Juventus (Reply 1):

yep california is trully a melting pot as you said. The only thing stopping me from flying EK right now is that they dont have service to LAX.
 
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Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:31 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 39):
It would be "fair" if the playing field was level with competing carriers...I can't say the playing field right now is completely "fair and level" on either side.

I don't "fair" is really an issue here. The government of Australia should do what is good for Australia, not what is good for QF at the expense of everyone else in Australia. Protectionism should have died in the 19th century before commercial aviation ever got started. It's been well understood since then to be detrimental.
 
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RE: EK To LAX From DXB And AKL In 2007

Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:01 pm

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 42):

I don't "fair" is really an issue here. The government of Australia should do what is good for Australia, not what is good for QF at the expense of everyone else in Australia. Protectionism should have died in the 19th century before commercial aviation ever got started. It's been well understood since then to be detrimental.

My comment was a "potshot" at both EK and QF....neither play fair...... Wink
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RE: EK To LAX From DXB And AKL In 2007

Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:04 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 43):
My comment was a "potshot" at both EK and QF....neither play fair......

Dubai's policy of letting anyone operate from DXB has resulted in tremendous growth for EK. I don't think EK could have grown nearly so fast if Dubai had tried a tit-for-tat granting of rights.
 
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Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:15 pm

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 44):

Dubai's policy of letting anyone operate from DXB has resulted in tremendous growth for EK. I don't think EK could have grown nearly so fast if Dubai had tried a tit-for-tat granting of rights.

I wasn't referencing Dubai's "tit-for-tat" granting of rights, but other policies of Dubai and the Emirates.

I feel EK is only a quasi-free company. Even though some of EK's "books" are "open" too see, to me, I see one too many conflicts of interest between EK and the Sheikdom.
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RE: EK To LAX From DXB And AKL In 2007

Wed Dec 27, 2006 10:19 pm

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 37):
Well EK has tried to get rights for PER-AKL but of course Unce John in Canberra and his team are out to protect QF.

not sure that's true, QF don't even serve Auckland from Perth.
 
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RE: EK To LAX From DXB And AKL In 2007

Wed Dec 27, 2006 10:20 pm

Quoting Kiwiflyer791 (Reply 32):
how many passengers are there really! Be realistic people!

Assuming, as it appears, that all current AKL flights (i.e via AUS) continue not only then will passengers come from Australia, but all the other ports that EK flights stop at on the way to Australia (BKK, HKG, SIN etc). It would make sense to me anyway to have this new flight leave AKL around the same time as the existing ones for two reasons (a) connecting passengers (even though the flight time from SIN - LAX direct will obviously be shorter than SIN - BNE - AKL - LAX, but it is still possible esp for frequent fliers) and (b) connecting freight from these other flights.
 
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RE: EK To LAX From DXB And AKL In 2007

Thu Dec 28, 2006 12:12 am

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 11):
Why would EMIRATES want to fly from Dubai to LAX via New Zealand ? That's not exactly a direct route to Calfornia. A 777-200LR nonstop DUBAI to LAX would be the way to fly the route. EK has this fascination with fly a Pacific route from Australia or NZ to the USA, why ?

You're missing the point. No one will fly from Dubai to LAX via NZ. A lot of people will fly between Dubai and NZ, and possibly a lot of people will fly between NZ and LAX (as well as other US cities).

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 30):
Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 26):
if it is such a high yielding route why dont any of the US carriers fly it

Because their products are simply 'crap' and their premium services cannot compete with the likes of NZ's new Business Premier and to a lesser extent, QF's Skybed.

Not only can't they offer a comparable product but most importantly, they can't afford to buy new aircraft to fly the route just yet. Not to mention that US carriers likely have a higher operating cost that EK which lowers their yields (you can thank the Unions for that and years of management neglect).
 
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RE: EK To LAX From DXB And AKL In 2007

Thu Dec 28, 2006 12:56 am

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 48):
You're missing the point. No one will fly from Dubai to LAX via NZ. A lot of people will fly between Dubai and NZ, and possibly a lot of people will fly between NZ and LAX (as well as other US cities).

I think it would be from AKL to DXB via LAX not LAX to DXB via AKL. But I agree, I would never go through LAX if I was trying to get from AKL to DXB.
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