spetouss
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Low Density BA 763 On High Density Routes

Thu Dec 28, 2006 1:18 am

Is there any chance to see low density long-haul BA B763s being used on European high density routes this Winter ?

Any luck to get somthing in LCA ?

What about other European routes ?
 
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RE: Low Density BA 763 On High Density Routes

Thu Dec 28, 2006 1:19 am

One of the BA LGW-BCN flights is scheduled with a 767, or am I misunderstanding you?
 
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RE: Low Density BA 763 On High Density Routes

Thu Dec 28, 2006 1:21 am

Not at all, it is interresting to see BA 763s operating out of LGW to European routes.

Any chance this one to be a low density configuration 763 ?
 
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RE: Low Density BA 763 On High Density Routes

Thu Dec 28, 2006 1:31 am

Quoting Spetouss (Reply 2):
it is interresting to see BA 763s operating out of LGW to European routes

I'm pretty sure that

a) BA do not anything other than 737's/777's out of LGW, except franchise GB
who only fly A320/321's

b) BA already fly LHR-LCA with a 767?

Might be wrong though!!
 
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RE: Low Density BA 763 On High Density Routes

Thu Dec 28, 2006 1:39 am

Quoting FCAFLYBOY (Reply 3):
BA already fly LHR-LCA with a 767?

BA already flies the 767 to LCA. The question is, during the low demand winter season is there a chance to see the long-haul low density seat configuration versions of BA 763s in LCA or other European short-haul destinations, instead of the commonly used high density seat configuration version.
 
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RE: Low Density BA 763 On High Density Routes

Thu Dec 28, 2006 2:24 am

Not normally. All the J6 B763s are heavily used already.
Perhaps once in a winter you will see one as a substitue.
Here in ARN we see about 2 a year.
 
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RE: Low Density BA 763 On High Density Routes

Thu Dec 28, 2006 6:12 am

Surely the drop in capacity would be a problem ?

If there was the lack of a short haul 767, it would be more economic for BA to send a 757, as the seating capacity is nearly as high, and the running costs far less.
 
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RE: Low Density BA 763 On High Density Routes

Thu Dec 28, 2006 6:18 am

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 6):
If there was the lack of a short haul 767, it would be more economic for BA to send a 757, as the seating capacity is nearly as high, and the running costs far less.

Yes but the B767 is needed for its freight space.
 
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RE: Low Density BA 763 On High Density Routes

Thu Dec 28, 2006 2:33 pm

Quoting Spetouss (Thread starter):
low density long-haul BA B763s

That would be great - but none of the competition uses intl long-haul equipment to the rest of the EU from Cyprus, so BA are unlikely to be the first - hey even when LH was sending 744s to TLV, BA maintained their Eurofleet 763s on LHR-TLV. In any case they seem quite satisfied to downgrade to the 757 during winter.

What I'm looking for is more frequency on LHR-LCA from BA - the am departure just doesn't work for US west coast arrivals...

Considering CY fields x2 A330s and x1 A320, even LH without any historical colonial links to Cyprus gets an A300 and an A320 out to FRA and they are packed! I feel BA is neglecting its potential in Cyprus.

I ended up on CSA last month via PRG - it was actually really good - but would have been happier with less connecting time and an earlier arrival into LCA than 2:15am...
 
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RE: Low Density BA 763 On High Density Routes

Sat Dec 30, 2006 10:30 am

Quoting LHRBFSTrident (Reply 8):
Considering CY fields x2 A330s and x1 A320, even LH without any historical colonial links to Cyprus gets an A300 and an A320 out to FRA and they are packed! I feel BA is neglecting its potential in Cyprus.

Isn't Cyprus mainly a low yield tourist destination from the UK, with little premium business traffic? I wouldn't think a market like that would rank very high on BA's priority list. "Packed" aircraft are seldom a very good indication of route profitability, and CY has been in a precarious financial situation for the past few years.
 
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RE: Low Density BA 763 On High Density Routes

Sat Dec 30, 2006 10:54 am

Short answer - no.

The long haul B767's are based out of T4. LCA is part of BA's short haul division and therefore uses the shorthaul aircraft, and doesn't offer Club World and WTP.

The only destinations which may see a long haul 767 every once in a while are those from T4, such as Geneva, Zurich and Copenhagen. Even if they were to operate flights from T1, Larnaca would probably be the least likely destination, as it would require the use of the aircraft for the whole day, which wouldn't fit into the long haul fleet rotation.

Quoting LHRBFSTrident (Reply 8):
BA maintained their Eurofleet 763s on LHR-TLV. In any case they seem quite satisfied to downgrade to the 757 during winter.

BA operate a daily 777 and long haul 767 on the TLV route.
 
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RE: Low Density BA 763 On High Density Routes

Sun Dec 31, 2006 4:33 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9):
Isn't Cyprus mainly a low yield tourist destination from the UK, with little premium business traffic?

Well yes, and no! It's true there's a huge amount of charter traffic between UK and Cyprus which takes the majority of low yield traffic. Fares on the scheduled services (BA and CY) are rarely offered at 'bargain' rates compared with similar routes (ATH, IST etc.)

It's easy to see Cyprus as just another cheap bucket and spade holiday destination from the western european perspective, and it's true that tourism is the major sector of the economy.

On the other hand, the Cyprus economy is booming, and has been for some time. The CYPound continues to stay strong against the USD and the UKL. That plus their accession to the EU means that there is quite a significant increased demand for intl connections within and outside of the EU (when CY first took delivery of their 330s there was much talk of LCA-JFK, but then the industry suffered all the setbacks of 2001 and CY's fortunes tanked and the plan was dropped like a hot potato, AFAIK)

Cyprus is small, let's face it, but there are historical political links between Cyprus and the UK and the rest of the commonwealth (large numbers of Cypriots go to university in UK and USA, plus Cypriot ex-pats in UK and UK ex-pats in CY, British sovereign bases on the island plus an amazing amount of UN and diplomatic traffic for obvious reasons...



I just think BA can do better than one 757 daily in winter with inconvenient connection times in LHR at both ends of the schedule!

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 10):
Quoting LHRBFSTrident (Reply 8):
BA maintained their Eurofleet 763s on LHR-TLV. In any case they seem quite satisfied to downgrade to the 757 during winter.

BA operate a daily 777 and long haul 767 on the TLV route.

You're right, of course - sorry - my sentences got garbled, it should have read: 'during winter to LCA'  Wink

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9):
"Packed" aircraft are seldom a very good indication of route profitability

Sure - no idea of the yields that LH is lifting out of LCA, but feel quite confident that LH is nobody's fool in terms of revenue management, and if LH has identified a market for that number of seats then perhaps BA has missed a trick...
 
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RE: Low Density BA 763 On High Density Routes

Sun Dec 31, 2006 4:46 am

Quoting PHKLM (Reply 1):
One of the BA LGW-BCN flights is scheduled with a 767, or am I misunderstanding you?

LGW-BCN is always ops by 737.

The only time we have a bigger a/c on a european route is normally in times of disruption or technical probs, we have had a 777 operate to MAD and back i think that was when we had 5 737's tech at the same time
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