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IB To Bolivia And Paraguay Possible?

Fri Dec 29, 2006 2:25 pm

Hey!
I'm looking through the IB destinations and I find it interesting.
Bolivia and Paraguay are the only countries in Southamerica to which IB does not fly (excluding (French)Guyana, Surinam).
And even some small countries in centralamerica sush as Honduras, Guatemala, etc. recieves flights from IB. From February IB will open flights to San Salvador aswell.

So I was wondering: Is there any bigger chance that IB might open flight to those two countries anytime soon? Maybe a combined flight: MAD-LPB/VVI-ASU? Or something else?
Any comments?


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RE: IB To Bolivia And Paraguay Possible?

Fri Dec 29, 2006 4:14 pm

Quoting CityAirline (Thread starter):
And even some small countries in centralamerica sush as Honduras, Guatemala, etc. recieves flights from IB. From February IB will open flights to San Salvador aswell.

They don't operate to Honduras anymore ever since IB closed it miami hub in 2004. Same with Nicaragua . They operate there via codeshare with TACA.
I didn't hear they were going back to SAL. so far its also operated by codeshare either from MIA, SJO or GUA.



As for Bolivia its the poorest country in South America. Paraguay is up there - it is also the international capital of black-market trading
Therefore, there isn't much business travel to those two countries either. Whilst Bolivia is becoming increasingly touristic over these years, Paraguay is no where as being a touristic place. Its true they could have a MAD-ASU-VVI flight two times a week but I don't think IB sees much interest in service that route

However, IB currently serves ASU through a code-share with Brazilian airline TAM, as an extension of their daily flight MAD-GRU. TAM carries IB pax from GRU to ASU.
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RE: IB To Bolivia And Paraguay Possible?

Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:16 pm

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 1):
there isn't much business travel to those two countries either

Do you mean business travel or "business class travel". If you mean "business class travel", you are right, however, Bolivia/Paraguay-Spain share a lot of business relations.

Don´t forget the Bolivian Lloyd Aereo Boliviano and Aero Sur fly together around 12 x per week with L1011/B747 VVI-MAD-VVI and flights are sold out.

For sure, IB could find their market share, specially considering the conections at their MAD hub?
 
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RE: IB To Bolivia And Paraguay Possible?

Sat Dec 30, 2006 12:13 am

I remember that Lufthansa use to fly to Bolivia
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RE: IB To Bolivia And Paraguay Possible?

Sat Dec 30, 2006 2:11 am

Quoting 123 (Reply 2):
Don´t forget the Bolivian Lloyd Aereo Boliviano and Aero Sur fly together around 12 x per week with L1011/B747 VVI-MAD-VVI and flights are sold out.

Agree with you that IB could fly to VVI at least 3 to 5x weekly. Using the A343, i believe IB will create a competitive advantage against LB and Aerosur and they can even fly thru Northeast Brazil (for example REC). But we have to remember that Bolivian Government nowadays is not so friendly for business like oil (and Repsol use to be a strong investor in Bolivia).

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RE: IB To Bolivia And Paraguay Possible?

Sat Dec 30, 2006 3:22 am

Iberia used to fly from its EZE mini Hub to Asuncion during early 90's.

And Lufthansa used to fly to La Paz, I think during early 80's.
 
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RE: IB To Bolivia And Paraguay Possible?

Sat Dec 30, 2006 3:39 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 4):
Bolivian Government nowadays is not so friendly for business

Don´t remind me! I live here....

Bolivian Government with help of Venezuela/Cuba are forseeing to creating a new airline. I wonder what for. To destroy open market competitiveness?
 
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RE: IB To Bolivia And Paraguay Possible?

Sat Dec 30, 2006 3:52 am

Quoting 123 (Reply 6):
Bolivian Government with help of Venezuela/Cuba are forseeing to creating a new airline

I have an idea: EVO AIR !!! Ha,ha,ha!!!


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RE: IB To Bolivia And Paraguay Possible?

Sat Dec 30, 2006 4:08 am

Quoting USADreamliner (Reply 7):
EVO AIR !!!

Sure, and you serve coca tea instead of real good tea like for sure a premium airline like EVA serves! Good joke, made my day!
 
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RE: IB To Bolivia And Paraguay Possible?

Sat Dec 30, 2006 4:09 am

Hello!

Let's see... To Paraguay, there is just not enough traffic to justify ops, and what little there is, must be so low-yield, it's just not commercially viable. Keep in mind AA cancelled its Asuncion flights this year (or was it '05?) Iberia actually operated to Asuncion back in the early 90s with DC-9s based in EZE, and also with DC-10s back in the 80s... I seem to recall the flight stopped in EZE too. Add to that that AR no longer flies to ASU - in fact I think the only airline operating these days in ASU must be TAM, so there is your answer...

To Bolivia... There is traffic with the Bolivian immigration to Spain nowadays, but not high yielding - mostly VFR - , so, again, not commercially viable for an operation the size of Iberia's. And, the notable difference with other IB destinations in the Americas, such as Central America, is that there is no tourism from Spain/Europe in a large scale seeking the sights of Bolivia, as there is to Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, etc...
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RE: IB To Bolivia And Paraguay Possible?

Sat Dec 30, 2006 4:54 am

Quoting USADreamliner (Reply 7):
I have an idea: EVO AIR !!! Ha,ha,ha!!!

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RE: IB To Bolivia And Paraguay Possible?

Sat Dec 30, 2006 5:39 am

Quoting 123 (Reply 6):
Don´t remind me! I live here....

Bolivian Government with help of Venezuela/Cuba are forseeing to creating a new airline. I wonder what for. To destroy open market competitiveness?

The reminder was for the other A.Net friends for sure (even while under your comment)...

A new airline ? To destroy the others for sure and in a couple of years become a problem! Some South America leaders nowadays have such strange ideas!

I remember Mr. Evo has just finished an agreement (?) to offer low prices fuel for international flights, just after LAB and Aerosur decided to lease some planes to improve their networks!

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RE: IB To Bolivia And Paraguay Possible?

Sat Dec 30, 2006 5:55 am

Quoting DCAjet (Reply 9):
in fact I think the only airline operating these days in ASU must be TAM, so there is your answer...

Also Aerosur and Gol serve ASU. Still very limited service.
 
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RE: IB To Bolivia And Paraguay Possible?

Sat Dec 30, 2006 7:44 am

AA has every intent to resume service to Asuncion, with a daily MIA-ASU-EZE flight, if Paraguay agrees to remove the recently implemented mandatory travel agent commission.
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RE: IB To Bolivia And Paraguay Possible?

Sat Dec 30, 2006 7:58 am

Quoting DCAjet (Reply 9):
in fact I think the only airline operating these days in ASU must be TAM, so there is your answer...

Today, El Norte, a Mexican newspaper, has an article about MX starting services to Paraguay. Article is very short of details, but if true, I wish MX good luck developing this new and underserved destination.

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RE: IB To Bolivia And Paraguay Possible?

Sat Dec 30, 2006 9:30 am

Quoting Pzurita1 (Reply 14):
Today, El Norte, a Mexican newspaper, has an article about MX starting services to Paraguay. Article is very short of details, but if true, I wish MX good luck developing this new and underserved destination.

I dont think that make sense at all, a MEX-ASU route? even with a stop, just pointless.
 
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RE: IB To Bolivia And Paraguay Possible?

Sat Dec 30, 2006 11:18 am

What aircraft type did LH fly into LPB? Given the altitude (13,500 feet) this greatly restricts any longhaul ops out of LPB, but into, such as AAs MIA-LPB-VVI could work, perhaps with a 332/333. The question is if IBs 343s could make it out of LPB, even on a short hop to VVI. The 346 would be a good performer, but too much capacity for this route, I believe.
 
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RE: IB To Bolivia And Paraguay Possible?

Sat Dec 30, 2006 2:15 pm

Quoting Mason (Reply 16):
What aircraft type did LH fly into LPB? Given the altitude (13,500 feet) this greatly restricts any longhaul ops out of LPB

LH flew to LPB with the 742 I believe.
 
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RE: IB To Bolivia And Paraguay Possible?

Sat Dec 30, 2006 4:42 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 17):
LH flew to LPB with the 742 I believe.

Yes, a 742.
 
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RE: IB To Bolivia And Paraguay Possible?

Sat Dec 30, 2006 7:30 pm

Quoting USADreamliner (Reply 18):
Quoting LTU932 (Reply 17):
LH flew to LPB with the 742 I believe.

LH has never flown a B742 to La Paz. It was part of a code share agreement with LAB, using their B727.
 
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RE: IB To Bolivia And Paraguay Possible?

Sat Dec 30, 2006 10:08 pm

Quoting AirGabon (Reply 19):
LH has never flown a B742 to La Paz. It was part of a code share agreement with LAB, using their B727.



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 17):
LH flew to LPB with the 742 I believe.

LH used to fly in the past to LPB with the B-707, later on, with the DC-10-30 and finally with the 742. After finalizing the 742 services yes, it switched to an LB B722 service which had LH flight number only (it was not a code-sharing), and the onboardservice was as per LH standards. Crew was LB and one LH assistant to supervise LB reaches LH quality - and as far as I know, it always did.

IB used to fly to LPB in the 60's and I think it was with DC-8.
 
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RE: IB To Bolivia And Paraguay Possible?

Sat Dec 30, 2006 10:35 pm

Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 3):
I remember that Lufthansa use to fly to Bolivia



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 17):
LH flew to LPB with the 742 I believe.

When? How many times a week? How?
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The Asuncion and La Paz or Santa Cruz flights could be a great idea; I think that exceptuating the French Guyana, Guyana and Surinam will be the only countries that has not direct flights from MAD.

I don't know abouth the lenght of ASU runway but a 343 operating there two or three times a week, the same as Montevideo, could be a great.

About LPB or VVI, the 343 or 346 will be a great alternative to the old, old, very old 741 and 742 of Aerosur or the L10 of LAB.
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RE: IB To Bolivia And Paraguay Possible?

Sat Dec 30, 2006 11:17 pm

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 21):
When? How many times a week? How?

According to a LH Timetable of 1993, LH530/LH531 were operated on Mondays and Thursdays, being FRA-CCS-BOG-CCS-FRA run by a LH 744 and BOG-LIM-LPB-LIM-BOG by a LB 722.
 
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RE: IB To Bolivia And Paraguay Possible?

Sat Dec 30, 2006 11:59 pm

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 21):
I don't know abouth the lenght of ASU runway

11,000 feet at 292asl.
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RE: IB To Bolivia And Paraguay Possible?

Sun Dec 31, 2006 3:26 am

Quoting AirGabon (Reply 19):
LH has never flown a B742 to La Paz. It was part of a code share agreement with LAB, using their B727.

I contacted Lufthansa about this question, probably I wont get an answer until next week.

I remember a picture of a LH 742 in La Paz, this is during early 80's.
So maybe the codeshare was when they stopped flying to Bolivia.

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LH 1982:
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RE: IB To Bolivia And Paraguay Possible?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 5:56 pm

Quoting USADreamliner (Reply 24):
I contacted Lufthansa about this question, probably I wont get an answer until next week.

Good  Smile. Let us now about the answer if/when you get one...

Happy new year everyone!!!
Let us now see what interesting things 2007 has to offer us A.netters...

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RE: IB To Bolivia And Paraguay Possible?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 6:40 pm

Quoting 123 (Reply 6):
To destroy open market competitiveness?

What competitiveness, for starters?.
 
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RE: IB To Bolivia And Paraguay Possible?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 10:47 pm

AA's flight to ASU was never full. It was carrying mostly cargo. When I fly TAM most of the time they can't even fill up the Fokker 100. So I doubt that there is enough demand for Iberia to fly.
 
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RE: IB To Bolivia And Paraguay Possible?

Tue Jan 02, 2007 10:03 pm

Quoting Acheron (Reply 26):
What competitiveness, for starters?.

When a Government operates an airline it normally gives them special incentitives / low fuel rates / low taxes or other incentitives. So, when an airline like LB/5L has to pay full cost rates against one that does not, they for sure loose competitiveness.

On short local flights, on-board service is not a sales factor. Ticket price however is.

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