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Where To Buy GE90 Fan Blade For Decoration?

Sun Dec 31, 2006 3:53 pm

This is not a joke. Where can I buy a (used or defective if necessary) GE90 engine fan blade? It would be great for decoration in the living room, and a great conversation piece for any aviation enthusiast.

Is this possible?
 
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RE: Where To Buy GE90 Fan Blade For Decoration?

Sun Dec 31, 2006 3:55 pm

You should get like a blade from an old CF6. Fan blades are not cheap.
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RE: Where To Buy GE90 Fan Blade For Decoration?

Sun Dec 31, 2006 3:57 pm

I think you're right. An older, cheaper fan blade may be just as cool. Is there a place to get cool discarded aircraft parts online? I know that I won't be personally heading to any aircraft junkyars anytime soon. But if I can buy stuff online...
 
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RE: Where To Buy GE90 Fan Blade For Decoration?

Sun Dec 31, 2006 3:59 pm

The NY museum of modern art has the esoterically shaped GE90-115 fan blade on display.

Safe to say, you'd have a hell of a time getting it into your living room, as it is well, rather larger than most any standard door.

Either way, you'd be either talking to GE for spare parts to get a new one, or likewise, a broker dealing in used aircraft parts. I'm certain you can get your hands on one, the thing is, you'll be paying what the airlines pay to get one, which I'll gander is not a small sum.... though perhaps not compared to some other choices to decorate living room walls.

Just out of curiousity, something smaller, like say a GE CF6-50 fan or a PW2000 fan might be cheaper, easier to come by, and much easier (and lighter) to get in place. I'm not even sure how you'd lift and secure a GE90 blade to your wall.
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RE: Where To Buy GE90 Fan Blade For Decoration?

Sun Dec 31, 2006 4:00 pm

eBay is where I would start my search. I to have looked into buying something like a fan blade or prop, but the prices can be quite high. Anyways good luck with your search.

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RE: Where To Buy GE90 Fan Blade For Decoration?

Sun Dec 31, 2006 4:25 pm

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 3):
Safe to say, you'd have a hell of a time getting it into your living room, as it is well, rather larger than most any standard door.

Hmm, one of the people involved with the GE90 engineering says a single fan blade is about 4 ft long by 2.5 ft wide.

Also says that the case with 22 fan blades had a total weight of 45 pounds; one could reasonably infer that a single fan blade would be no more than 2 pounds.

http://www.udri.udayton.edu/NR/exere...09-5758-469C-9D2B-6D309082E6B0.htm

Of course, the hard part would be in finding a source to sell one.

How about an Airbus 340 CFM56 4th stage fan blade? eBay has an auction for one with a starting bid of USD $49.99 for approximately the next three days. (Note: I have no stake in this and do not know the seller. I only merely searched for 'aircraft fan blade'.)

10 of these are available.
 
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RE: Where To Buy GE90 Fan Blade For Decoration?

Sun Dec 31, 2006 10:14 pm

There are only 5 GE90 fan blades on display in the entire world. 1 is at the museum in NY, another in the Middle East, one in China (I think) and one at the Cathay Pacific headquarters. Good luck getting one!
 
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RE: Where To Buy GE90 Fan Blade For Decoration?

Sun Dec 31, 2006 10:29 pm

Just for your information, may be useful it may not.
This is the firm that make the blades http://www.c-fan.com/
 
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RE: Where To Buy GE90 Fan Blade For Decoration?

Sun Dec 31, 2006 11:00 pm

Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 6):
Cathay Pacific headquarters

Where did they move it to, used to be up near the photo shop ?
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RE: Where To Buy GE90 Fan Blade For Decoration?

Sun Dec 31, 2006 11:17 pm

I used to own a small blade from a Trent 800. It was one of the ones used in testing and had a stone chip in it, hence it was unusable for an engine. I'm not sure it was a fan blade as it was only about 12 inches long, I think it was from behind the front fan blades. There were a couple of other bits with it too, but they went into a box when we moved and haven't been recovered yet Sad

If you know someone who works for a manufacturer you can usually come by some parts like that.
 
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RE: Where To Buy GE90 Fan Blade For Decoration?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 12:02 am

Sounds like a compressor blade mate.
 
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RE: Where To Buy GE90 Fan Blade For Decoration?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 12:05 am

Quoting Jawed (Thread starter):
Is this possible?

No it's not.

Bogus or Scrapped parts is a serious issue within the airlines and strict procedures are followed when parts are scrapped out. They must be destroyed in a way that they can not be re-used or re-sold. The GE90 Fan Blades are also composite and GE takes great pride in saying that only a small number have needed to be scrapped.
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RE: Where To Buy GE90 Fan Blade For Decoration?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 12:15 am

Quoting Vref5 (Reply 5):
Also says that the case with 22 fan blades had a total weight of 45 pounds; one could reasonably infer that a single fan blade would be no more than 2 pounds.

Last time I had a GE90 fan blade in my hands it certainly felt a lot more than 2 pounds. However they are not 'heavy'. Other than being carbon fibre, they aren't that interesting to look at. Then again I haven't got up close to one of the newer -110 or 115 engines yet.
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RE: Where To Buy GE90 Fan Blade For Decoration?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 12:17 am

Quoting Vref5 (Reply 5):
Also says that the case with 22 fan blades had a total weight of 45 pounds; one could reasonably infer that a single fan blade would be no more than 2 pounds.

You got your numbers wrong here for sure. 2 Pounds per fan blade? I would love to see that! You prolly got mixed up with compressor blade, as Captainsimon said.

Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 6):
There are only 5 GE90 fan blades on display in the entire world. 1 is at the museum in NY, another in the Middle East, one in China (I think) and one at the Cathay Pacific headquarters. Good luck getting one!

Well, I know for a fact there is one complete GE-90 and one stand alone GE90-115B fan blade on display at GE Aviation Evendale plant Museum and Learning Center. (Sorry, The building visit is limited to employee and their families[need pre-registration], or guests of GE Aviation like airline representatives)

Another point : A single brand new GE-90 fan blade cost about hundred of thousands per blade. But I do agree it's a cool idea, even it will cost you a ton of money.

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 3):
Safe to say, you'd have a hell of a time getting it into your living room, as it is well, rather larger than most any standard door.

A fan blade itself is actually not all that big. About 5 feet tall and about 2 feet wide at widest part. Even smaller and lighter than a small adult female. It should be able to fit through most doors.

[Edited 2006-12-31 16:18:38]
 
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RE: Where To Buy GE90 Fan Blade For Decoration?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 1:07 am

Check with an Airline personnell or Stores In charge where the nearest scrap dealer is.
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RE: Where To Buy GE90 Fan Blade For Decoration?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 2:08 am

You would have to be fairly determined. A GE90 is out of the question. Because of the relatively rare failure rate, GE probably asks for them back to examine. Even a 112" PW4000 does not scrap out all that often, but those are hollow titanium, and would make a nice display. Best bet is something like a 94" PW4000. Those scrap often.

It would have to come from an operator or large 3rd party overhaul shop. And they are most likely not going to sell you one directly. You would have to find out who has the scrap metal contract them. If you live in CA, and you found out who buys scrap titanium from United (they overhaul 94" and 112" engines), contact them and ask if it would be possible to look through their inventory. They probably have some sort of agreement with the operator to destroy the parts somehow, but them might let you drill a hole in the back of one, and buy it for the scrap metal value.

You're not getting a GE90, but I would think a large titanium blade would be entirely possible.
 
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RE: Where To Buy GE90 Fan Blade For Decoration?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 2:36 am

Quoting GEnxPower (Reply 13):
About 5 feet tall and about 2 feet wide at widest part. Even smaller and lighter than a small adult female. It should be able to fit through most doors.

That's an interesting thing to compare a fan blade to.
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RE: Where To Buy GE90 Fan Blade For Decoration?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 2:38 am

Quoting GEnxPower (Reply 13):
Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 3):
Safe to say, you'd have a hell of a time getting it into your living room, as it is well, rather larger than most any standard door.

A fan blade itself is actually not all that big. About 5 feet tall and about 2 feet wide at widest part. Even smaller and lighter than a small adult female. It should be able to fit through most doors.

When I first read it, I mistakenly thought he wanted to hang an entire GE90 fan in his living room, not just one blade from one, which actually makes much more sense.
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RE: Where To Buy GE90 Fan Blade For Decoration?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 2:48 am

Quoting MarkC (Reply 15):
You're not getting a GE90, but I would think a large titanium blade would be entirely possible.

....and how big is your wallet....?? Your still looking at a few thousand dollars. Titanium is not cheep......
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RE: Where To Buy GE90 Fan Blade For Decoration?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 2:54 am

sorry to post again, aside from the small compressor blades from the CFM56 off of the A340, I was able to find 2 fan blades from a GE CF6-50, pick up only, $3,500
I searched ebay under GE Fan Blades CF6-50C

My guess is that those would be closer to the size you were thinking of, since compressor blades are quite small as wall decorations.
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RE: Where To Buy GE90 Fan Blade For Decoration?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 2:59 am

Quoting Captainsimon (Reply 10):
Sounds like a compressor blade mate.

The shorter one was, it was only a couple of inches long. The other one was much longer though.

For info, this guy has loads of engine parts:

http://myworld.ebay.com/getnick/

Seem to be salvaged from old JT8Ds, CFM56s etc, from scrapped aircraft/engines.

Not bad prices either!
 
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RE: Where To Buy GE90 Fan Blade For Decoration?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 4:34 am

Quoting Captainsimon (Reply 10):
Sounds like a compressor blade mate.

Ah, yes, duly corrected. Next time I shall pay greater attention.  Smile

Thanks for setting the record straight.
 
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RE: Where To Buy GE90 Fan Blade For Decoration?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 4:53 am

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 18):
....and how big is your wallet....?? Your still looking at a few thousand dollars. Titanium is not cheep......

I'm not talking about a fully serviceable part with an FAA 8130 tag.

I'm talking about scrap metal value for a part that will be melted down. A 94" blade weighs in the 20 lb range (just a guess, but I have held quite a few). Whats scrap Ti? Maybe $5 per pound. What if it were $10? Again, a guess, but it can't be worth more than $300.
 
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RE: Where To Buy GE90 Fan Blade For Decoration?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 5:11 am

Quoting MarkC (Reply 22):
Whats scrap Ti?

About $7/lb.

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RE: Where To Buy GE90 Fan Blade For Decoration?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 5:35 am

Sort of off-topic, but why does CX have a GE90 blade on display? They don't have any GE powered aircraft right?

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RE: Where To Buy GE90 Fan Blade For Decoration?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 5:37 am

They have 773ERs on order.

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 18):
....and how big is your wallet....?? Your still looking at a few thousand dollars. Titanium is not cheep......

Nor are composites  Wink

[Edited 2006-12-31 21:42:42]
 
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RE: Where To Buy GE90 Fan Blade For Decoration?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 7:47 am

Some fan blades have inconel in them, and are very valueable as scrap. New ones are in the $40,000 range for a CFM56 blade, not sure if "used" blades are available. We send ours for overhaul.
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RE: Where To Buy GE90 Fan Blade For Decoration?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 8:02 am

FYI

http://www.le-webmag.com/print.php3?id_article=46&lang=en

CFAN : exclusive supplier of GE90 fan blades
Civil Aviation | Friday 5 September 2003

CFAN, the joint venture created by Snecma and General Electric, is the exclusive supply source for composite wide-chord fan blades to equip the GE90-115B. Providing innovative technical solutions for the world’s most powerful commercial jet engine...Based in San Marcos, Tx. the 160-staff company will deliver, at the end of 2003, its 7000th blade to General Electric since its beginning in 1994.

(JPG) "We are the exclusive supply source of fan blades for the GE90 jet engines, which today make up 96% of our activity," explains Luc Pelon, Snecma Moteurs representative and Senior Vice-President of the company. "The other 4% represent fairly marginal activities, notably in the field of military jet engines."

(JPG) Two types of composite blades are currently manufactured in San Marcos: first, those for the fan for GE90 baseline jet engines (such as the GE90-94B model) that power the early versions of the Boeing 777. The San Marcos company also manufactures composite blades for GE90-115B jet engines that exclusively power the "longer range" versions of the B777 (B777-200LR and B777-300ER). The Boeing 777-300ER, to enter into service in 2004, is today the world’s largest twin-engine jet aircraft, and is powered by the most powerful jet engine ever built. To be sure, the blades of the jet engine (22 blades per fan) are just as exceptional. "These are the only composite fan blades being used in the world today," Luc Pelon emphasizes. "This type of blade is particularly well-suited to the GE90-115B fan, which is characterized by its large diameter and low rotation speed. Each blade weighs 46 lbs. (a bit less than 23 kg) and has titanium leading and trailing edges to better distribute stresses ."

In addition to their excellent fatigue strength, the composite blades also provide a clear advantage in terms of weight: an engine of the same size equipped with full metal airfoils would be 300kg (over 600 lbs.) heavier. CFAN invested heavily in setting up the production lines and meeting the particular requirements involved with composite materials: storing the raw material at -30°C, working at room temperature and curing the blades in autoclaves at 200°C. Each part is composed of hundreds of layers of pre-preg laid down individually so as to give the blade its final complex shape. The manufacturing process is punctuated by various non-destructive tests ensuring the quality of the finished product. CFAN has various specific high-tech nondestructive equipment, and is equipped with one of the most powerful CTs (computer-aided thermography).

By the end of 2003, CFAN will deliver its 7000th blade to General Electric since its beginning in 1994. In 2004 alone, an annual production of 1500 blades (both models) is expected, at least two-thirds of which are earmarked for GE90-115B’s.
 
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RE: Where To Buy GE90 Fan Blade For Decoration?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 8:03 am

Quoting AndrewUber (Reply 26):
Some fan blades have inconel in them

I've never heard of a fan blade with inconel in it. Turbine blades and HP compressor blades, yes, but not a fan blade. There is no high temperature requirement for a fan blade hence inconel is not needed.

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RE: Where To Buy GE90 Fan Blade For Decoration?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 8:09 am

My university has a CFM-56 fan blade on display in the flight instructors' office. However, one of the flight instructors knows someone who works at GE, and this was a defective blade.
 
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RE: Where To Buy GE90 Fan Blade For Decoration?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 9:12 am

Quoting Dl757md (Reply 28):
Quoting AndrewUber (Reply 26):
Some fan blades have inconel in them

I've never heard of a fan blade with inconel in it. Turbine blades and HP compressor blades, yes, but not a fan blade. There is no high temperature requirement for a fan blade hence inconel is not needed.

The tricky thing is that some people refer to the compressor blades as compressor fan blades... the CFM56 blade on ebay is inconel.
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RE: Where To Buy GE90 Fan Blade For Decoration?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 9:26 am

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 30):
The tricky thing is that some people refer to the compressor blades as compressor fan blades... the CFM56 blade on ebay is inconel.

True, however, the "fan" on the TF33 (and JT3D) is actually the low-pressure compressor. With a bypass ratio of around 1:1, half of this air is bypassed, while the other half goes into the high-pressure compressor (part of the core).

I believe the RR Conway and possibly earlier models of the JT8D were similar.
 
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RE: Where To Buy GE90 Fan Blade For Decoration?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 9:54 am

Keep looking at ebay, and eventually, something like what you're looking for will come up. I have seen both JT9D and CF6 first stage fan blades for sale in the past.

If you do a search on ebay for "turbine blade", there is currently an auction for a turbine blade from a concorde olympus engine which may also be a neat conversation piece for the living room.

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RE: Where To Buy GE90 Fan Blade For Decoration?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 10:08 am

Quoting MSNYX (Reply 16):
About 5 feet tall and about 2 feet wide at widest part. Even smaller and lighter than a small adult female

A 5 foot tall woman 2 feet wide at her widest part would not, in my eyes, be considered petite.
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RE: Where To Buy GE90 Fan Blade For Decoration?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 10:55 am

Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 6):
There are only 5 GE90 fan blades on display in the entire world. 1 is at the museum in NY, another in the Middle East, one in China (I think) and one at the Cathay Pacific headquarters. Good luck getting one!

Boeing has one from the GE90-110B/115B (it has the sexy shape) that was used on the world tour of the 772LR.

It was in a prominent location in the front cabin.
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RE: Where To Buy GE90 Fan Blade For Decoration?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 1:15 pm

Quoting Dl757md (Reply 28):
I've never heard of a fan blade with inconel in it. Turbine blades and HP compressor blades, yes, but not a fan blade. There is no high temperature requirement for a fan blade hence inconel is not needed.

You are correct - the high bypass fan does not have inconel in it.

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RE: Where To Buy GE90 Fan Blade For Decoration?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 1:18 pm

If you do a search on ebay using keyword "GE90" you get a 747-100, 1/400 scale. It includes the GE 90 test engine on wing.

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RE: Where To Buy GE90 Fan Blade For Decoration?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 2:11 pm

How about trying the good old fashioned way: Contact GE in Cincinatti, OH. Their test facility is not far away and maybe they have damaged fan blades from the initial testing that you could purchase. Just an idea, but sometimes simply knocking on the front door is the best way to get a response. I suggest you call and talk to their public relations department. What's the worst thing that could happen? They say 'no.' If so you're out the cost and time of a phone call.

I have acquired a lot of airline & aircraft memorabilia using this approach. PR is in place to address corporate image and these people usually are honored by the request, and sometimes go out of their way to help. Granted, I've never requested a fan blade before, but like I said-it doesn't hurt to ask.
 
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RE: Where To Buy GE90 Fan Blade For Decoration?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 4:47 pm

http://www.c-fan.com/

The company is about 20 minutes from my house. Not sure what their asking price on a fan is...  airplane   dollarsign 

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RE: Where To Buy GE90 Fan Blade For Decoration?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 5:55 pm

Quoting 9V-SPJ (Reply 24):
Sort of off-topic, but why does CX have a GE90 blade on display? They don't have any GE powered aircraft right?

Technically we do. CX operate three ex-Varig 747-200Fs which are GE powered, but the blade was donated to CX after it bought a whole bunch of 777-300ERs, the first of which is due in 9 months. They are conceiving it now. Big grin
 
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RE: Where To Buy GE90 Fan Blade For Decoration?

Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:05 am

Thanks CX flyboy for conception info for the B773ERs!

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RE: Where To Buy GE90 Fan Blade For Decoration?

Tue Jan 02, 2007 8:02 am

Forget that, go get yourself several 1/10th scale models of the nose of an a/c and mount them on the wall.

http://gallery.bcentral.com/GID4793966DD412682-Aircraft-NOSES.aspx