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Any Delta Plans For SkyWest@LAX?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 9:41 am

In the past, SkyWest operated as Delta Connection out of Los Angeles, but ended that part of their contract several years ago. Now those flights operate solely as United Express. Might there be plans to return these flights to the Delta network to support their expansion in LAX?
 
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RE: Any Delta Plans For SkyWest@LAX?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 9:48 am

As part of the Skywest-United agreement, OO cannot operate for DL at LAX since its a UA hub with the exception of a limited point to point services to other DL hubs if so desired. As such DL has had to use ASA to support its LAX RJ expansion.
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RE: Any Delta Plans For SkyWest@LAX?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 11:03 pm

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 1):
As part of the Skywest-United agreement, OO cannot operate for DL at LAX since its a UA hub with the exception of a limited point to point services to other DL hubs if so desired. As such DL has had to use ASA to support its LAX RJ expansion.

This has been a major reason on why they have not rolled all of ASA into SkyWest since it will be a loophole around this and enable OO to have a larger operation at LAX under the Delta Connection banner. This will be important for DL as they try to re-setablish their customer base at LAX that was squandered under both Leo Mullin and Ronald W. Allen. Something they had once upon a time when Western Airlines was big at LAX.
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RE: Any Delta Plans For SkyWest@LAX?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 11:18 pm

OO will never roll all of EV into one operation. EV is too important to get around scope clauses to allow SkyWest, INC. to bid for RFP's that they normally could not. OO is actually in the process of expanding EV right now and EV continues to maintain its own leadership, fleet, unions, etc..
 
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RE: Any Delta Plans For SkyWest@LAX?

Mon Jan 01, 2007 11:24 pm

Quoting NW747-400 (Reply 3):
OO will never roll all of EV into one operation. EV is too important to get around scope clauses to allow SkyWest, INC. to bid for RFP's that they normally could not. OO is actually in the process of expanding EV right now and EV continues to maintain its own leadership, fleet, unions, etc..

The pilots union issue is another reason why EV will never be rolled into OO completely, since OO isn't unionized.
The greater OO I should point out has been a major reason both UA and DL have been able to remain serving many moderate to smaller communities with some more frequent service since many of these communities would not be profitable to send mainline a/c to. UA and now DL shrinking mainline service have made OO much larger in recent years.
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RE: Any Delta Plans For SkyWest@LAX?

Tue Jan 02, 2007 2:50 am

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 2):
Something they had once upon a time when Western Airlines was big at LAX.

Indeed.

The West Coast DL Connection operation was literally handed over on a silver plate to United.
WA/DL spent years developing many of the markets which along with aircraft, gates, employees were assumed by UAX overnight.

It will be interesting to see how DL does in the long run with their new LA routes. The LAX the carrier is returning to is not the same one which they left. During the years in between, both AA and WN have also grown their presence at the airport, while UA continues to maintain its role as the largest carrier - in general a less fragmented airport now, with 3 clear strong carriers.
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RE: Any Delta Plans For SkyWest@LAX?

Tue Jan 02, 2007 3:53 am

OO cannot ground handle any DL connection flights. Only exception is Maintenance. SkyWest INC. currently operate the following routes out of LAX.
OO – One single flight to SLC
EV – One flight to SLC
Two flights to SMF
Two flights to SFO
One flight to PSP
One flight to MZT
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Quoting Laxintl (Reply 5):
while UA continues to maintain its role as the largest carrier - in general a less fragmented airport now, with 3 clear strong carriers.

I am not sure about that. SkyWest currently is the largest operator out of LAX, with over 143 flights daily. The numbers grow to 145 on Saturdays, and Sunday.
 
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RE: Any Delta Plans For SkyWest@LAX?

Tue Jan 02, 2007 4:32 am

Quoting Azncsa4qf744er (Reply 6):
I am not sure about that. SkyWest currently is the largest operator out of LAX,

Skywest does not fly for itself... it flies under someone else's banner.
Even if it did operate in its own, it would only rank as #6 based on boardings at the airport.

Top-3 airlines at LAX are, UA, AA, WN.
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RE: Any Delta Plans For SkyWest@LAX?

Tue Jan 02, 2007 5:40 am

Quoting Azncsa4qf744er (Reply 6):
OO cannot ground handle any DL connection flights.

Not under the OO banner, hence the EV (ASA) which they acquired from DL back in August of 2005 and keeping them separate.
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RE: Any Delta Plans For SkyWest@LAX?

Tue Jan 02, 2007 5:54 am

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 8):
Not under the OO banner, hence the EV (ASA) which they acquired from DL back in August of 2005 and keeping them separate.

I mean from a business standpoint since they both belong to the same parent company, what is the difference?
 
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RE: Any Delta Plans For SkyWest@LAX?

Tue Jan 02, 2007 4:27 pm

Quoting ASEFlyer (Reply 9):
I mean from a business standpoint since they both belong to the same parent company, what is the difference?

It may be the same parent company but EV is a different flag operator than OO and that is how any contract the SkyWest parent company has with UA. EV is the escape clause that allows them to operate for Delta Connection at LAX. You're right the UA Express contract won't allow them to use anything OO except maintenance.
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RE: Any Delta Plans For SkyWest@LAX?

Wed Jan 03, 2007 2:18 am

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 7):
Skywest does not fly for itself... it flies under someone else's banner.
Even if it did operate in its own, it would only rank as #6 based on boardings at the airport.

Sorry, I meant to say movement. You’re correct, SkyWest doesn’t operate under its own banner but those tiny props and jets crowding up LAX are indeed OO metals. UA is the largest present in term of flights and destination. When you separate UA and OO the numbers will make a different.
In your case:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 7):
Top-3 airlines at LAX are, UA, AA, WN.

If you combine frequencies, (mainline and regional) and destinations serve than UA is the largest operator at LAX. Followed by AA with its AAE operation.

[Edited 2007-01-02 18:21:13]
 
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RE: Any Delta Plans For SkyWest@LAX?

Wed Jan 03, 2007 2:30 am

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 8):
Not under the OO banner, hence the EV (ASA) which they acquired from DL back in August of 2005 and keeping them separate.



Quoting ASEFlyer (Reply 9):
I mean from a business standpoint since they both belong to the same parent company, what is the difference?

Correct, both EV and OO are subsidiary of SkyWest Inc. but due to scope claws with United Airlines OO cannot handles any part of DL CONX flights. This include sister carrier EV. Hence, EV and OO are sisters so OO LAX cannot touch or take part of in EV operation other than maintenance.

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