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Jet Airways Order 10 Boeing 787s

Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:06 pm

By Anand Krishnamoorthy
Jan. 2 (Bloomberg) -- Jet Airways (India) Ltd., the nation's largest domestic airline, said it has agreed to buy 10 planes from Boeing Co. as it seeks to start more overseas flights.

Jet Airways agreed to buy 10 of Boeing's 787 aircraft, the Mumbai-based airline said in a statement to the Bombay Stock Exchange.


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RE: Jet Airways Order 10 Boeing 787s

Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:12 pm

Wow! Boeing offices in Chicago haven't even open for business this year and hey already are +10 in order books! Congratulations Jet & Boeing.  biggrin 
 
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RE: Jet Airways Order 10 Boeing 787s

Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:19 pm

A link to the filing with the stock exchange;

Jet Airways India Ltd has informed BSE that in order to maintain and expand the Company’s international operations using wide-body aircraft and to deploy the most modern and economically efficient aircraft, the Company has executed a Purchase Agreement with The Boeing Company, USA, for the acquisition of 10 Boeing 787-8 series aircraft for deliveries between July 2011 and December 2012, subject to requisite regulatory approvals.

http://www.bseindia.com/qresann/news...FFF9D-0FCC-4DDC-AF63-D425BCE3BD75}

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RE: Jet Airways Order 10 Boeing 787s

Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:33 pm

Nice to see more orders from India. Has boeing released any pictures of the 787 with 9W livery? I have a feeling one will be coming out soon.
 
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RE: Jet Airways Order 10 Boeing 787s

Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:36 pm

Congratulations to 9W! Two years in a row, Boeing's first orders have come from India! Last year it was the AI order (finalised in 2006) and this year it is 9W. Given 9W's aggressive expansion plans, this order is great news, even though I'm surprised it is the 787-8 and not the -9 as I personally hoped it would be.
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RE: Jet Airways Order 10 Boeing 787s

Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:42 pm

Well done Boeing.....the orders for the 787, just keep rolling in!
 
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Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:47 pm

Way to go Boeing and 9W. Very nice way to start the year
 
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RE: Jet Airways Order 10 Boeing 787s

Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:56 pm

Is it clear that this order was signed in 2007, not 2006?
 
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RE: Jet Airways Order 10 Boeing 787s

Tue Jan 02, 2007 8:20 pm

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 7):
Is it clear that this order was signed in 2007, not 2006?

Looks like it's 2006 from this Reuters clip:

Jet had executed the order for the aircraft "in late 2006", a senior company official said, in a deal valued at $1.48-1.58 billion at the current list price.
 
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Tue Jan 02, 2007 8:25 pm

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 7):
Is it clear that this order was signed in 2007, not 2006?

From reuters, the information is that the order was "executed" in late 2006, so most likely this is NOT an 2007 order, but an 2006 order.... It was just announced late, it seems.
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RE: Jet Airways Order 10 Boeing 787s

Tue Jan 02, 2007 9:23 pm

I bet that Boeing is not counting it as a 2006 order in accordance with their current practices. When the order has been approved by the government of India and formally firmed up, we will see an official announcement and see it on the Boeing order log.
 
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RE: Jet Airways Order 10 Boeing 787s

Tue Jan 02, 2007 9:43 pm

Quoting Reggaebird (Reply 10):
I bet that Boeing is not counting it as a 2006 order in accordance with their current practices. When the order has been approved by the government of India and formally firmed up, we will see an official announcement and see it on the Boeing order log.

Jet are a private company. Why would they need approval from the gummint? They are not AI or IA.
 
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RE: Jet Airways Order 10 Boeing 787s

Tue Jan 02, 2007 9:45 pm

Quoting Reggaebird (Reply 10):
I bet that Boeing is not counting it as a 2006 order in accordance with their current practices. When the order has been approved by the government of India and formally firmed up, we will see an official announcement and see it on the Boeing order log.

Jet Airways doesn't need Indian Govt. approval to buy aircraft as it is a private company and not govt. owned. This might be an order that is alrady on Boeing's book as there is a UFO order for 10 x 788.
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RE: Jet Airways Order 10 Boeing 787s

Wed Jan 03, 2007 12:59 am

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 12):
Jet Airways doesn't need Indian Govt. approval to buy aircraft as it is a private company and not govt. owned.

Perhaps they need Regulatory approval for routes and funding given the following quote from their filing;

subject to requisite regulatory approvals refer to link in reply #2

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 12):
This might be an order that is alrady on Boeing's book as there is a UFO order for 10 x 788.

IIRC, those were booked on October 4th, 2006. Yet as per the link in reply #9

Jet had executed the order for the aircraft "in late 2006"

I guess it all comes down to the wording and definition of 9Ws "late 2006" anyway, not too long until we find out.

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RE: Jet Airways Order 10 Boeing 787s

Wed Jan 03, 2007 1:05 am

Quoting Atnight (Reply 9):
From reuters, the information is that the order was "executed" in late 2006, so most likely this is NOT an 2007 order, but an 2006 order.... It was just announced late, it seems.

It mirrors last year, where the papers were signed in late Dec 2006, but Air India wanted to wait until after the New Year to announce so they'd get more PR. Things get lost in the world news on Dec 24-Jan 1, so PR wise, many companies don't want to announce things then.

You can expect the revelation of a few more orders in the next few days that were signed in Dec 2006.
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RE: Jet Airways Order 10 Boeing 787s

Wed Jan 03, 2007 1:10 am

I am holding my breath awaiting the revelations of large "last minute" orders for Airbus as well. I have a feeling that, miraculously, their numbers will come near to or even surpass Boeing's.
 
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RE: Jet Airways Order 10 Boeing 787s

Wed Jan 03, 2007 1:30 am

Either a Boeing spokesman or an aerospace analyst was just interviewed on local Seattle radio noting "the Jet Airways order is a nice way to start off 2007" so this order may go into the 2007 column.
 
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RE: Jet Airways Order 10 Boeing 787s

Wed Jan 03, 2007 1:35 am

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 13):
Perhaps they need Regulatory approval for routes and funding given the following quote from their filing;

subject to requisite regulatory approvals refer to link in reply #2

Yes, you're right on that....govt. approval is still required on certain things, even for private companies....however, it is not that same as the sort of "approval" that govt. owned companies like AI and IC have to go through....
 
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RE: Jet Airways Order 10 Boeing 787s

Wed Jan 03, 2007 1:50 am

Notable that Jet is ordering the -8. Here we have an Asian carrier picking a relatively smaller aircraft, contrary to the A.Net myth that all things Asian must grow ever larger.

The fact that the B788 is outselling the B789 ought to be a slight worry for Airbus, having sized the A350 on the larger side.
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RE: Jet Airways Order 10 Boeing 787s

Wed Jan 03, 2007 1:59 am

Quoting Reggaebird (Reply 15):
I am holding my breath awaiting the revelations of large "last minute" orders for Airbus as well. I have a feeling that, miraculously, their numbers will come near to or even surpass Boeing's.

Even the "magicians" at Airbus can't pull that off!?!?  Wink
 
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Wed Jan 03, 2007 2:02 am

Quoting TeamAmerica (Reply 18):
Notable that Jet is ordering the -8. Here we have an Asian carrier picking a relatively smaller aircraft, contrary to the A.Net myth that all things Asian must grow ever larger.

It is just perfect to use on the Middle Eastern and SE Asian route because of extra belly space and excellent to open up long thin routes to EU/AUS/Africa.

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Wed Jan 03, 2007 2:07 am

Quoting Flysherwood (Reply 19):
Even the "magicians" at Airbus can't pull that off!?!?

That's what most people thought last year. We won't know for sure until we know for sure.  Smile
 
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RE: Jet Airways Order 10 Boeing 787s

Wed Jan 03, 2007 2:19 am

Quoting Reggaebird (Reply 15):
I am holding my breath awaiting the revelations of large "last minute" orders for Airbus as well. I have a feeling that, miraculously, their numbers will come near to or even surpass Boeing's.

It'll be harder than last year, because part of the race last year was that Airbus had a number of firm+pending that was very close to Boeing's firm+pending.

This year, Airbus's firm+pending was, at the last check, fewer than Boeing's firm only, and since then Boeing has added more orders that were not in the pending column.

Airbus will need plenty of last minute lease company orders for 100 A320s to perform this miracle. How many european lease companies are there and how many A320s do they really need?

Quoting TeamAmerica (Reply 18):
The fact that the B788 is outselling the B789 ought to be a slight worry for Airbus, having sized the A350 on the larger side.

Not really. The A350 is now timed to begin replacing 772s and A332/3s and such. The 788 is pulling in a huge number of replacement orders for the 767, a smaller plane. Airbus should have offered a plane in this size but the closest they can do is to still sell A332s, which is a fine jet and meets the requirements of many carriers.

But in 7-10 years, airlines are going to need to replace larger jets.

The fact that the 787-9 isn't selling better is actually something Boeing needs to be concerned about, frankly. Even with the bump in MTOW already, they may need to offer a 787-9ER relatively quickly to compete. I also think they'd be wise to think about a 787-5/6 which have a lower MTOW and 5500nm range like the A330, as the range of the 787-3 is just too low for most carriers who need a midrange widebody jet (UA, AA, BA, etc.)
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RE: Jet Airways Order 10 Boeing 787s

Wed Jan 03, 2007 2:20 am

This is interesting & unexpected. Unexpected because 9W has 10 A330s on order with options of 10 more. I would appreciate if someone can provide the delivery schedule of those A/C.

Now 9W is ordering 10 787-8 for delivery between July 2011 & Dec 2012.
It would be interesting to see what they do with their A330 A/C.
 
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RE: Jet Airways Order 10 Boeing 787s

Wed Jan 03, 2007 2:23 am

Quoting Flysherwood (Reply 19):
Even the "magicians" at Airbus can't pull that off!?!?

Who needs magicians? Airbus' numbers are always transparent on the level........
 
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Wed Jan 03, 2007 2:25 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 22):
The fact that the 787-9 isn't selling better is actually something Boeing needs to be concerned about, frankly. Even with the bump in MTOW already, they may need to offer a 787-9ER relatively quickly to compete

I don't agree. I think the preferrence for the 788 demonstrates that the size is right.
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RE: Jet Airways Order 10 Boeing 787s

Wed Jan 03, 2007 2:31 am

The B 788 is an ideal medium density long range aircraft which would allow 9W to fly from niche markets in India such as ATQ/AMD/HYD to popular cities worldwide where the O&D demand to these 3 cities is high.

For example, the B 788 is the perfect aircraft to fly a 3 weekly nonstop AMD-EWR service + AMD-LHR + ATQ-LHR + AMD-BKK + HYD-LHR.

The B 788s will also be used to compliment their A 332s on African and Far East Asian routes.
 
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Wed Jan 03, 2007 2:32 am

Quoting Reggaebird (Reply 15):
I am holding my breath awaiting the revelations of large "last minute" orders for Airbus as well. I have a feeling that, miraculously, their numbers will come near to or even surpass Boeing's.

I suspect if the numbers don't come close, they'll push orders into the new year to pad their 2007 results.
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RE: Jet Airways Order 10 Boeing 787s

Wed Jan 03, 2007 2:35 am

Quoting Manny (Reply 23):
This is interesting & unexpected. Unexpected because 9W has 10 A330s on order with options of 10 more. I would appreciate if someone can provide the delivery schedule of those A/C.

Altough i mentioned this above,

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 20):
It is just perfect to use on the Middle Eastern and SE Asian route because of extra belly space and excellent to open up long thin routes to EU/AUS/Africa

I forgot that so is the 332 perfect for the same mission profile as the 788--barring the fact that the 788 can fly furhter--But 9W have clearly said they do not want to go non-stop USA [the reason for conversion of 4 772 LRs into an entire 10 77W order]

I just dont get where are they gonna put these 30 Widebodies--Any idea of routes keeping in mind

Competition --domestic and foreign
Route viability---please do not mention a route just because it is from your city or just because you will be taking that route one/two days of the year keep in mind year round viability.


Any one have any ideas , because barring the obvious routes i am out of places for them to put their Wide Body fleet

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Wed Jan 03, 2007 2:36 am

Great news for a new year! Congrats to Boeing, 787 program, and 9WBig grin
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Wed Jan 03, 2007 2:39 am

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 27):
I suspect if the numbers don't come close, they'll push orders into the new year to pad their 2007 results.

I don't think so. Having a signed order is a lot better than having an unsigned order. I don't believe Airbus would hold off an order because it's petty and it would make them look petty (and desperate) to the customers.
 
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RE: Jet Airways Order 10 Boeing 787s

Wed Jan 03, 2007 2:41 am

Quoting TeamAmerica (Reply 25):
I don't agree. I think the preferrence for the 788 demonstrates that the size is right.

I agree 100% on this. I bet we will see 789 orders pick up down the road, probably after 787-10 is launched.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 22):
I also think they'd be wise to think about a 787-5/6 which have a lower MTOW and 5500nm range like the A330, as the range of the 787-3 is just too low for most carriers who need a midrange widebody jet (UA, AA, BA, etc.)

Though i agree with the hypothetical 785/6 would be a great addition i think the 787-3 IS adaquate for domestic use and to the carribean ect, not to mention domestic Japan and possibly China down the road, but not for everyone. We are all still in a grey area with the -3's actual range with what weights... so lets see what plays out.

I think down the road we will see the following unfold for the 787 program.
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Wed Jan 03, 2007 2:47 am

Quoting Manny (Reply 23):
This is interesting & unexpected. Unexpected because 9W has 10 A330s on order with options of 10 more. I would appreciate if someone can provide the delivery schedule of those A/C.

Now 9W is ordering 10 787-8 for delivery between July 2011 & Dec 2012.
It would be interesting to see what they do with their A330 A/C.

The A330's should actually have better economics vs the B788 on shorter legs. The A330 may still be the best option for short- medium routes served by 9W while the B788 will work better for longer ranged missions.

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Wed Jan 03, 2007 2:49 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 22):
The fact that the 787-9 isn't selling better is actually something Boeing needs to be concerned about, frankly. Even with the bump in MTOW already, they may need to offer a 787-9ER relatively quickly to compete. I also think they'd be wise to think about a 787-5/6 which have a lower MTOW and 5500nm range like the A330, as the range of the 787-3 is just too low for most carriers who need a midrange widebody jet (UA, AA, BA, etc.)

I think you are reading too much into it. The 787-9 EIS 4 years away. Think how many firm orders the 787-8 had in mid 2004 and compare that to what the 787-9 has. The 787-9's problem may be that it is competing with the 787-8 for slots. The latter has no real competition from the A350XWB, while the former does. Airlines are likely evaluating the A350XWB against the 787-9 currently and the manufacturers are giving competing proposals. As a consequence 787-8 orders are placed faster than 787-9 orders, so early slot availability for the 787-9 is reduced. Realistically, most airlines will have to wait 5 to 6 years from now to get 787-9s unless they already have slots reserved.
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Wed Jan 03, 2007 2:50 am

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 31):
I think down the road we will see the following unfold for the 787 program.
787-3/-3ER(or named -5)
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Wed Jan 03, 2007 2:56 am

Quoting WINGS (Reply 32):
The A330's should actually have better economics vs the B788 on shorter legs

I've heard Leahy claim this but I'm not sure that is the case. For short routes 9Y configurations will be more common, putting the 788 in the same space as the A332. Combined with the substantial weight advantage the 788 has and the more efficient engines, the only way the A332 could have better economics is if acquisition costs are substantially lower.
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RE: Jet Airways Order 10 Boeing 787s

Wed Jan 03, 2007 3:13 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 34):
No 787-8ER?

Its possible... but with a range of 8500nm+ already is it needed? For only a few certain routes. There might be potential we will see a 787-8ER/LR (probably LR) with over a 10000nm range. Thats just MHO.
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RE: Jet Airways Order 10 Boeing 787s

Wed Jan 03, 2007 3:32 am

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 28):
I just dont get where are they gonna put these 30 Widebodies--Any idea of routes keeping in mind

In all the interviews with Naresh Goyal about Jet Airway's international expansion, time and again the following British airports have been mentioned:

BHX
MAN
LGW (Yes, I do meant Gatwick - even I was surprised when I read this)
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I can't find the link to the article anymore - it was in The Times of London.
 
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Wed Jan 03, 2007 3:50 am

Quoting Concorde001 (Reply 37):
all the interviews with Naresh Goyal about Jet Airway's international expansion, time and again the following British airports have been mentioned:

Ok, but the question is which are viable.

Lets say out of the 30 aircraft--4-5 will be used on the current routes they serve to LHR., replacing the leased 343s and 2 330-200s

2 on the PVG-SFO route they announced.

4 on the DUS-YYZ and HKG-YYZ routes announced

4 to NYC/ ORD

2 to BHX/MAN

2 to SYD/MEL via SIN/BKK

What about the remaining 11-12 widebodies they have on order--especially the new 788s where the heck are they gonna put them.

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Wed Jan 03, 2007 3:53 am

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 38):
Ok, but the question is which are viable.

Lets say out of the 30 aircraft--4-5 will be used on the current routes they serve to LHR., replacing the leased 343s and 2 330-200s

2 on the PVG-SFO route they announced.

4 on the DUS-YYZ and HKG-YYZ routes announced

4 to NYC/ ORD

2 to BHX/MAN

2 to SYD/MEL via SIN/BKK

What about the remaining 11-12 widebodies they have on order--especially the new 788s where the heck are they gonna put them.

Karan

A lot of expansion possibilieties esp to the US/Canada and Europe and we shouldn't forget Africa (large Indian population)
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Wed Jan 03, 2007 3:53 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 22):
I also think (Boeing would) be wise to think about a 787-5/6 which have a lower MTOW and 5500nm range like the A330, as the range of the 787-3 is just too low for most carriers who need a mid-range widebody jet (UA, AA, BA, etc.)

I imagine those airlines will just "eat" the 19,000lb OEW difference and buy the 787-8, as it would allow them to do anything. I'm just not sure it is worth Boeing's time - or the airline's money - to try and lengthen the wing extensions of the 787-3 and beef up the structure to take more fuel. I can't believe you'd save much in OEW (10,000lbs?) and you'd still end up with a plane inferior to the 787-8 that would offer very little in CASM savings.
 
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Wed Jan 03, 2007 3:57 am

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 33):
The 787-9 EIS 4 years away.

But availability is now 5-6 years away.
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Wed Jan 03, 2007 3:59 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 40):
I imagine those airlines will just "eat" the 19,000lb OEW difference and buy the 787-8, as it would allow them to do anything. I'm just not sure it is worth Boeing's time - or the airline's money - to try and lengthen the wing extensions of the 787-3 and beef up the structure to take more fuel. I can't believe you'd save much in OEW (10,000lbs?) and you'd still end up with a plane inferior to the 787-8 that would offer very little in CASM savings.

Don't overlook the gate compatibility advantages of the 787-3.
 
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Wed Jan 03, 2007 4:21 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 40):
I'm just not sure it is worth Boeing's time - or the airline's money - to try and lengthen the wing extensions of the 787-3 and beef up the structure to take more fuel.

No need to boost the wing in any way, and the 787-3 has the same tankage as the 787-8. It's only MTOW, and we don't know that the 787-3 couldn't have a higher MTOW, all we know is that it will be certified to a weight that gives a 3500nm because that's all Japan needs, and Japan charges landing fees based on MTOW.

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 42):
Don't overlook the gate compatibility advantages of the 787-3.

And that's a big deal. It was enough to make CO reject 73Gs for as long as possible, because they were wider than 733s.

787-3 can fit in gates the 787-8/9 can't. They need 777 gates, the 787-3 can fit in 767/A300 gates. Well, it has the same wingspan as the 764, and 14ft more than the 763. But the 787-8 needs 200 feet, same as the 772/3, and the 77W/L need 744 gates to operate from.

A 170ft wingspan 787 with 2-class 280 seat capacity and transatlantic or USA-South America or EU-Africa or interAsia range could open up a lot of new markets and increase profits on existing routes run with 767 and 777 aircraft. Why else are the A330s selling so well? They offer just that kind of product, just in a previous generation design. And with only 3500nm still air max range, the 787-3 is NOT that plane. It needs at least 5000nm if not 5500nm to be worth it as a subtype, and the 787-3 winglet design should easily provide enough lift.
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RE: Jet Airways Order 10 Boeing 787s

Wed Jan 03, 2007 4:23 am

Here's Boeing press release on the order.

It is a new order and wasn't a order that was previously unidentified.

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/070102/sftu030.html?.v=79

Also note that at the bottom of the press release, Boeing says they have orders and commitments for 471. My calculations show 475. I'm not sure why they are 4 short.

[Edited 2007-01-02 20:32:57]

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RE: Jet Airways Order 10 Boeing 787s

Wed Jan 03, 2007 4:27 am

Quoting WINGS (Reply 32):
The A330's should actually have better economics vs the B788 on shorter legs. The A330 may still be the best option for short- medium routes served by 9W while the B788 will work better for longer ranged missions.

Carriers like NW flew the DC-10 for years after many carriers adopted the 777 and A340. I don't think anyone expects the A330 to drop off the face of the earth once the first 787 is delivered.

In terms of economics, the best advantage for the A330 will be lower lease rates. As a product of falling demand, the A330 will be cheaper to acquire as the 787-8 and A350 become available. Certainly an affect on economics, but not one that will sustain the A330 in the long run.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 22):
The fact that the 787-9 isn't selling better is actually something Boeing needs to be concerned about, frankly. Even with the bump in MTOW already, they may need to offer a 787-9ER relatively quickly to compete.

How so? The 787-9HGW (which is now the standard variant) has 8,600 nm of still-air range, which more than puts it on par with the A350 variants. The -9 can already fly SIN-EWR with payload, allowing it to serve as a drop-in replacement for the A345 on many routes.

Any 787-9ER would put the -9 into the ULR segment which isn't necessarily what every airline wants. I suspect we will see a -9ER eventually, both for ULR replacement and to create the basis for a freighter variant, but I don't think it is essential for the success of the -9.
 
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RE: Jet Airways Order 10 Boeing 787s

Wed Jan 03, 2007 4:38 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 41):

But availability is now 5-6 years away.

I mentioned that. It doesn't help uptake of 787-9's. If someone wants a 787-9 as soon as possible, they have to move fast because the prospective 787-8 customers have a less complicated decision to make and are moving fast.
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RE: Jet Airways Order 10 Boeing 787s

Wed Jan 03, 2007 4:39 am

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 45):
The 787-9HGW (which is now the standard variant) has 8,600 nm of still-air range, which more than puts it on par with the A350 variants.

The 358X, which has how many orders?

My take is not on range, but on payload over a distance. It's 8600nm range is okay, but if you want to carry a big payload, the range goes down quite a bit.

It's more economical than a 345 on the SIN-LAX/EWR routes, but it still would be severely payload limited on those routes.

A 789 that can carry max payload and enough fuel to fly 6500nm (both directions, real distance) would be a real killer bird. AFAIK, the 789 as defined can't do that.
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RE: Jet Airways Order 10 Boeing 787s

Wed Jan 03, 2007 4:43 am

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 45):
How so? The 787-9HGW (which is now the standard variant) has 8,600 nm of still-air range, which more than puts it on par with the A350 variants. The -9 can already fly SIN-EWR with payload, allowing it to serve as a drop-in replacement for the A345 on many routes.

Any 787-9ER would put the -9 into the ULR segment which isn't necessarily what every airline wants. I suspect we will see a -9ER eventually, both for ULR replacement and to create the basis for a freighter variant, but I don't think it is essential for the success of the -9.

True... but a 787-9 with Max payload isn't going to come close to those numbers. Where as a a 787-9ER might have a range of 10000nm+ with payload but still be able to fly 7500nm+ with max payload. Airlines DO want that.
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RE: Jet Airways Order 10 Boeing 787s

Wed Jan 03, 2007 4:48 am

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