mika
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Who On Earth Flies With Sterling?

Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:18 pm

I'm just curious, since they always seem to have overpriced fares compared to even a legacy carrier like SAS. I have never seen a return fare cheaper than SEK1500 and most are more, between SEK1500 and SEK2500.

Still they want to portray themselves as a LCC. They are no way near in my oppinion. The strange thing is that someone has to use them as they as far as i'm concerned have enjoyed some descent business last years.

What is your take on this?
 
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RE: Who On Earth Flies With Sterling?

Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:21 pm

This has been stated before, LCC only means Low Cost Carrier, not low FARE carrier. Generally LCC are associated with Low Fares, but in this case, not neccesarily so.

SAS is lowering their prices to match or undercut Sterling.

If it wasn't for Sterling, watch those SAS fares go up again.

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RE: Who On Earth Flies With Sterling?

Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:29 pm

I went to: http://www.sterling.dk/

Then I clicked on their link on the front page for their "Low Fare Calendar", and chose CPH-AMS for January 2007. The least expensive return was 698DKK or US$123 including taxes.

Sounds reasonable to me.
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RE: Who On Earth Flies With Sterling?

Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:31 pm

I flew sterling back in september......

EDI-CPH = FREE
CPH-EDI = £40

Total: £40

Sounds LOCO enough to me!
 
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RE: Who On Earth Flies With Sterling?

Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:32 pm

You got a point there alex..


Both SAS and Sterling serve the exact same airports on many routes, unlike for example FR that serves the secondary airports albeit for a lower fare.

Personally i'd chose SK any day though, partly because i want the miles but also because i like connecting at CPH or ARN (believe it or not).
 
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RE: Who On Earth Flies With Sterling?

Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:34 pm

Westy and Nighthawk,


Those are fares unseen to me, they are indeed very reasonable though.


Perhaps it's just the flights out of my home port (GOT) that always tend to be expensive, that or i just looked for the wrong departures.
 
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RE: Who On Earth Flies With Sterling?

Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:39 pm

Quoting Mika (Reply 4):
You got a point there alex..

Why of course I do!  

Joking aside, it isnt that hard to diff the difference, LCC simply means the business does things in a low cost way (LCC) in USUALLY to offer LOW FARES (which is LFC) but sometimes Sterling doesn't lower the fare so they can generate MORE profit.

Sterling placed a reasonable fare, and SAS simply matched it and often times lowered it to get those folks back into their planes.

Quoting Mika (Reply 4):
Personally i'd chose SK any day though, partly because i want the miles but also because i like connecting at CPH or ARN (believe it or not).

No Worries there! Southwest Airlines and American are the Largest Airlines at my airport and often matches each other so I will generally fly AA for the miles and to connect through DFW because I like to, unless I just don't care then I ill book SWA. All depends!

Alex

[Edited 2007-01-03 09:40:01]
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RE: Who On Earth Flies With Sterling?

Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:59 pm

I flew Sterling from THF to CPH, one-way, on 26Oct06 for EUR 70 all inclusive. The booking was made 22 days in advance.
 
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RE: Who On Earth Flies With Sterling?

Wed Jan 03, 2007 6:03 pm

I see a lot of Scandinavians using Sterling making a connection with Martinair here in AMS.
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RE: Who On Earth Flies With Sterling?

Wed Jan 03, 2007 6:09 pm

I don't find Sterling prices that bad. They are priced around the same as Norwegian, the largest Scandinavian LCC.

I have only tried Sterling once, back in 2002 from OSL to BGY because of the airports great location when I'm heading east from Milano. I'm sorry to say they have cancelled the route. The flight was operated with a Falcon Air 737 and they actually served a light meal!
 
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RE: Who On Earth Flies With Sterling?

Wed Jan 03, 2007 6:11 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 2):
Then I clicked on their link on the front page for their "Low Fare Calendar", and chose CPH-AMS for January 2007. The least expensive return was 698DKK or US$123 including taxes.

Actually Sterling offers the cheapest fares on the AMS-CPH-AMS route. Fares might be as low as 92 EUR (about US$123 indeed). They'll undercut SK's fares on the AMS-OSL-AMS route as well. Let alone KLM's fares  Yeah sure
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RE: Who On Earth Flies With Sterling?

Wed Jan 03, 2007 6:21 pm

When I studied in Copenhagen I preferred to fly THF-CPH or vice-versa with Sterling over U2 which flies SXF-CPH. It wasn't rare that I could find cheaper flights with Sterling than Easyjet had to offer!
So they were/are more convenient (THF instead of TXL) and not more expensive.

According to booking confirmations I still have I could get an one way flight for 459 DKK (~65€) booking 20 days in advance and another one for 270 DKK (~39€) booking 2 month in advance.

For me they are a low fare airline.

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RE: Who On Earth Flies With Sterling?

Wed Jan 03, 2007 6:36 pm

Sterling has loads of cheap fares from OSL, I have always found great bargains with them when booking well in advance. Their flights have been quite full when I have flown them, so people are obviously willing to pay whatever the fare costs.

Sterling has very friendly FAs and I loved the new-car-smell on their then-new B738 with winglets two years ago. Shame that smell doesn't last forever... Boeing should supply them with spraycans with it so they can keep the smell for years  Smile
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RE: Who On Earth Flies With Sterling?

Wed Jan 03, 2007 6:38 pm

I know enough people that fly AMS-CPH and AMS-OSL with Sterling.
I've used SK on AMS-CPH as well but for a legacy it's bad; the fare is more expensive, the MD80's are just as old and food/drinks are buy-your-own.
No reason to pick SK over Sterling.

Edit: because Sterling fares are always one-way the tickets are easily combined with those of other LCC's to ensure the cheapest tickets both ways, for example AMS-CPH on HV and back on Sterling.

[Edited 2007-01-03 10:56:32]
 
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RE: Who On Earth Flies With Sterling?

Wed Jan 03, 2007 6:43 pm

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 12):
Sterling has loads of cheap fares from OSL, I have always found great bargains with them when booking well in advance. Their flights have been quite full when I have flown them, so people are obviously willing to pay whatever the fare costs.

The fact that their routes on Norwegian's great low-fare calender is a huge bonus too. I've found that sometimes Norwegian's routes seem sold out on their own home page but if you go into Sterling's site you can still book them at a reasonable fare. Even if it's a pure DY route.
 
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RE: Who On Earth Flies With Sterling?

Wed Jan 03, 2007 8:40 pm

Quoting PHKLM (Reply 13):
the MD80's are just as old

Well that's part of the fun, flying the old MD iron. The MD87 on short routings especially is a nice plane to be in, it can feel like a rocket ride at times!
 
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RE: Who On Earth Flies With Sterling?

Thu Jan 04, 2007 5:08 pm

www.boarding.no writes that Sterling is thinking about reducing the free baggage allowance from 20kg to 15kg, as the average pax only brings 13,5kg with them. It is part of their plan to reduce fuel consumption and become one of Europe's most environment-friendly airlines.

I think we will see many airlines reduce the baggage allowance to 15kg from the current 20kg over the next year...
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RE: Who On Earth Flies With Sterling?

Thu Jan 04, 2007 11:37 pm

Quoting Mika (Thread starter):
I'm just curious, since they always seem to have overpriced fares compared to even a legacy carrier like SAS. I have never seen a return fare cheaper than SEK1500 and most are more, between SEK1500 and SEK2500.

Still they want to portray themselves as a LCC. They are no way near in my oppinion. The strange thing is that someone has to use them as they as far as i'm concerned have enjoyed some descent business last years.

Exactly the same as for transavia.com: transavia is often more expensive than legacy airlines. Rediculous marketing trick! Showing like an LCC while it's not...

Why do I pay 3-4x more with transavia than with a flag carrier? With transavia you don't even get food, nor drinks served: it's just an air cargo company!!
 
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RE: Who On Earth Flies With Sterling?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 1:52 am

Quoting Boeing777/747 (Reply 17):
Why do I pay 3-4x more with transavia than with a flag carrier? With transavia you don't even get food, nor drinks served: it's just an air cargo company!!

Non-sense.
Let's look into it;

AMS-CPH-AMS
HV5787 05-01-2007 (tomorrow)
HV5788 08-01-2007 (Monday)
Bookable fare 174,10 Euro

AMS-CPH-AMS
KL1127 05-01-2007 (tomorrow)
KL1128 08-01-2007 (Monday)
Bookable fare 157,63 Euro

Now assume we book well ahead in the future to obtain the lowest possible fare of both carriers:

AMS-CPH-AMS
HV5787 16-03-2007 out
HV5788 19-03-2007 in
Lowest possible fare including taxes 114,10 Euro

AMS-CPH-AMS
KL1127 16-03-2007 out
KL1128 19-03-2007 in
Lowest possible fare including taxes 157,63 Euro

Well, KL is cheaper if you want to travel AMS-CPH tomorrow and come back on Monday, I agree. It saves you 16,47 Euro to be exact. Even if I book the most expensive HV fare is doesn't come nowhere near than even twice the cheapest KL fare.
Your claims are ridiculous and don't make any sense.
I don't see how you could possibly end up paying 3-4 times more on HV than with a legacy carrier but probably you are connected to a different internet then I am Big grin
 
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RE: Who On Earth Flies With Sterling?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 10:59 am

One of the biggest misconceptions is that so-called LCCs always have the lowest fares. That may be true for bookings made well in advance, but for bookings closer to the departure date, major carriers often have significantly lower fares than LCCs due to their various last-minute fares, web-specials, weekend fares etc.

If you're flexible and do some searching, and aren't able to plan weeks in advance, you can more often than not find a lower fare on a major carrier, and with other benefits like frequent flyer points, inflight service, seat selection etc.

One quick example from GVA to PRG, operated nonstop by EasyJet (now the largest operator at GVA with about 30% of the traffic) and also a new Swiss nonstop route with a single daily nonstop that started in mid-December. For someone booking now to leave today, Saturday 6 January, returning on Monday, 8 January, there's a special weekend fare on LX of 119 Swiss Francs (about 75 euros) round trip, including all fees/taxes/surcharges. It's a little more with a connection at ZRH due to the extra airport taxes. You can even travel business class GVA-PRG on LX for 339 Swiss Francs as LX offers special weekend business class fares from Switzerland to a number of European destinations that change every weekend.

EasyJet's lowest GVA-PRG fare for a booking now to leave today and return Monday is 306 Swiss Francs (about 190 euros) including taxes/fees, more than twice the lowest Y class fare on LX and almost as much as the special LX business class fare.

Similarly, KL is often cheaper than EasyJet from GVA to AMS unless bookings are made weeks in advance. There are many other examples.

The best advice is to shop around and not just assume that LCCs are always the cheapest.