connector4you
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Porter On The Verge Of Overtaking Harmony!?

Thu Jan 04, 2007 4:47 am

Accordingly to Globeandmail.com, Porter Airlines Inc. based at Toronto City Centre Airport, is contemplating to take over Vancouver based Harmony Airways, and become third-largest scheduled Canadian carrier serving major markets.

Wonder if that was the "reason" behind Gary Collins's decision to step down as Harmony's CEO on Dec 01, 2006? Anyone with more info on this developing story?
 
chrisa330
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RE: Porter On The Verge Of Overtaking Harmony!?

Thu Jan 04, 2007 4:50 am

This does not mean that Porter is going to take over Harmony.

What is means is that Porter's domestic Available Seat Miles (ASMs) will grow to be greater than Harmony's.
 
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RE: Porter On The Verge Of Overtaking Harmony!?

Thu Jan 04, 2007 4:52 am

Since Porter's start date (I can't remember exactly when that was), how many planes do they have in operation today?
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chrisa330
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RE: Porter On The Verge Of Overtaking Harmony!?

Thu Jan 04, 2007 4:57 am

3 with a fourth aircraft being put into service effective Jan 8th. This will be used to double YTZ-YUL frequency.

[Edited 2007-01-03 20:58:17]
 
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RE: Porter On The Verge Of Overtaking Harmony!?

Thu Jan 04, 2007 5:01 am

I read that article as well. The thing is, even though they might surpass Harmony, I think it will be awhile before Porter's ASMs overtake First Air. While PD will easily overtake 7F in terms of pax carried in 2007, given 7F's vast distances and route network, they churn out a lot of ASMs...ditto for Canadian North vs PD's short hops.
 
connector4you
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RE: Porter On The Verge Of Overtaking Harmony!?

Thu Jan 04, 2007 6:14 am

Here's an excerpt from that article:

". . . Porter is on track to introduce service to the New York area, first to Newark Liberty International Airport this spring, and then to LaGuardia Airport, possibly later in 2007.

Porter's list of targeted destinations is based on the popularity of major markets within 925 kilometres of Toronto. After New York, Chicago and Boston, next on the list are Philadelphia and Washington.

Mr. Carty said it isn't set in stone that Porter will fly to five U.S. cities before focusing again on Canada, but that's the plan for now.

After Ottawa and Montreal, the three Canadian destinations on tap are: Thunder Bay, Ont., Quebec City and Windsor, Ont. Rounding out Porter's list of potential destinations --- which could take until 2009 or beyond to add --- are Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Detroit and the northern Ontario cities of Sudbury, Sault Ste. Marie and Timmins.

Porter currently runs four Bombardier Q400 planes, and has another six of the turboprops slated for delivery in 2007. If all goes smoothly, Porter may order 10 more 70-seat Q400s, boosting its fleet to 20 of the planes..."

Although you guys are right about what Harmony's "overtake" connotation of the globeandmail article is, Porter's intention is to build a solid regional network out of Toronto. One have to remember that WestJet started to successfully build its Eastern network in a similar fashion, out of Hamilton, trying not to awake the "Giant" (Air Canada)! So to me the next logical step for Porter in order to clinch a solid third position on Canada's sky would be to look at a viable acquisition or merger that would allow them to fly Westerly towards Vancouver and perhaps... Easterly towards UK.

After all, that poking joke at Harmony's "small fortune" by Mr. Carty sounds more like an invitation to Mr Ho to rather contemplate doing "big business" together!
 
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RE: Porter On The Verge Of Overtaking Harmony!?

Thu Jan 04, 2007 8:00 am

A couple of things to bear in mind about Porter's expansion plans are:

a) I believe at least some of the intended US destinations require pre-clearance. YTZ does not (yet) have this; and
b) with the main runway length of (I believe) about 3,800', yestinations like YQT and YQB I think will be really weight-restricted, thus limiting profitability. Ain't no way the runway is going to get lengthened, either. especially with David Miller as "His WOrship the Mayor".

If pre-clearance can be gained, EWR, CLE, DTW, and PIT and maybe BOS are the most likely destinations.
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RE: Porter On The Verge Of Overtaking Harmony!?

Thu Jan 04, 2007 12:43 pm

Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 6):
If pre-clearance can be gained, EWR, CLE, DTW, and PIT and maybe BOS are the most likely destinations.

Why would any of those airports require pre-clearance? I believe they all have C&I facilities. Of the US cities mentioned so far, only LaGuardia would definitely require pre-clearance.
 
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RE: Porter On The Verge Of Overtaking Harmony!?

Thu Jan 04, 2007 2:23 pm

Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 6):
b) with the main runway length of (I believe) about 3,800', yestinations like YQT and YQB I think will be really

YTZ 08/26 is 4000'x150'. no overruns, no displaced thresholds, just water beyond that.

Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 6):
especially with David Miller as "His WOrship the Mayor".

Well Miller needs to break the TPA to do anything, and he's a lame duck there. But the stupidity of the arguments against YTZ never cease to amaze...

Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 7):
Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 6):
If pre-clearance can be gained, EWR, CLE, DTW, and PIT and maybe BOS are the most likely destinations.

Why would any of those airports require pre-clearance? I believe they all have C&I facilities. Of the US cities mentioned so far, only LaGuardia would definitely require pre-clearance.

This is correct, only LGA would be a problem... YTZ has Canada Customs so thats not a problem though the facilities aren't huge, but then again, 74 people max at a time... and i honestly doubt Porter will hit that very often.

I wish Porter well, they were wonderful on my flights. And Jazz could take a look at Porter's interiors for any new Dashs!
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RE: Porter On The Verge Of Overtaking Harmony!?

Thu Jan 04, 2007 7:52 pm

Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 7):
Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 6):
If pre-clearance can be gained, EWR, CLE, DTW, and PIT and maybe BOS are the most likely destinations.

Why would any of those airports require pre-clearance? I believe they all have C&I facilities. Of the US cities mentioned so far, only LaGuardia would definitely require pre-clearance.

Perhaps my bad. Was under the impression that Homeland Sec was requiring pre-clearance now for transborder flgihts. Seems not.
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RE: Porter On The Verge Of Overtaking Harmony!?

Thu Jan 04, 2007 8:47 pm

Probably has to do with the fact that Airliner World had a portrait of Harmony in its recent issue. That's usually the ring of the doomsday bell for an airline.....  Smile - the magazine has a proven track record.....