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QF BNE/LAX Loads 14FEB/26FEB+LAX Security Question

Thu Jan 04, 2007 8:25 am

Hi,

Is anyone able to look into loads all classes
14FEB BNE/LAX QF175 nonstop
26FEB LAX/BNE QF176 nonstop

Thanks in advance !!!

Andrew
PS. re AA2261/QF3290 connecting to QF176 26FEB

CRS shows this as best connection with 2 hours 45 minutes at LAX if on time. In light of recent delays at DEN, is this enough connecting time at LAX zoo.

Last time we did this flight in FEB, AA at DEN issued 2 boarding passes DEN/LAX & LAX/BNE, but at LAX, security would not accept AA boarding pass LAX/BNE & told to go to QF check in with huge queue & get a QF boarding pass !!!

Does anyone know what that was all about ?

& does this nonscience still exist ?

We have a few hundred clients doing this exact route in the next 3 months & wanted to advise them, is this is likely to occur.
 
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RE: QF BNE/LAX Loads 14FEB/26FEB+LAX Security Question

Thu Jan 04, 2007 9:14 am

Quoting Australia1 (Thread starter):
In light of recent delays at DEN, is this enough connecting time at LAX zoo.

It should be enough.

Quoting Australia1 (Thread starter):
Is anyone able to look into loads all classes
14FEB BNE/LAX QF175 nonstop
26FEB LAX/BNE QF176 nonstop

Sorry I can't help you there since I don't work for QF, but I would imagine that it wouldn't be chock full since the USA is still in school and NZ/Aussie will be back in school.

Quoting Australia1 (Thread starter):
would not accept AA boarding pass LAX/BNE & told to go to QF check in with huge queue & get a QF boarding pass !!!

hmmm... when ever we fly with QF we don't do it with AA so I can't say for certain, but for instance when we got AKL-LAX then LAX-SEA-ANC with AS. In LAX the domestic security always accepts our tickets from Qantas (for the AS flights)even though its not a QF flight.
I would say that this shouldn't be a problem, but call AA and get confirmation from them... or give them an e-mail and if they reply that its fine print it out and keep it with you as proof.

Enjoy your flight... can we expect a trip report? (what class?)
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RE: QF BNE/LAX Loads 14FEB/26FEB+LAX Security Question

Thu Jan 04, 2007 9:19 am

Quoting Alaskaqantas (Reply 1):
can we expect a trip report? (what class?)

trip report-yes
class-don't know, but if relatively empty might be Y (hopefully 4 seats !!! )
 
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RE: QF BNE/LAX Loads 14FEB/26FEB+LAX Security Question

Thu Jan 04, 2007 10:17 am

Hi Australia1

I went to check the loadings on your flights but the system showed some rather strange figures.The aircraft that operates this route has 56 business class seats and 356 economy seats. No first class on this route.

However this is what the system shows:
QF175 14FEB is showing 470 spare economy seats and 59 spare business class seats.

QF176 26FEB is showing 254 spare economy seats and 65 spare business class seats. While the economy loadings are possibly correct the business class load is wrong.


Sorry I can't be of more help at the moment. I'll check again in a few days and hopefully the system will show the correct loadings and I can send them to you via a message.  Smile
 
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RE: QF BNE/LAX Loads 14FEB/26FEB+LAX Security Question

Thu Jan 04, 2007 10:45 am

Quoting Eoinnz (Reply 3):
QF175 14FEB is showing 470 spare economy seats and 59 spare business class seats.

thanks. Why would it show so many Y class ?

That aircraft is configured for about what say 350 Y class ?
 
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RE: QF BNE/LAX Loads 14FEB/26FEB+LAX Security Question

Thu Jan 04, 2007 10:55 am

Quoting Australia1 (Thread starter):
Last time we did this flight in FEB, AA at DEN issued 2 boarding passes DEN/LAX & LAX/BNE, but at LAX, security would not accept AA boarding pass LAX/BNE & told to go to QF check in with huge queue & get a QF boarding pass !!!

That's normally the way it works, I don't believe QF will accept AA boarding passes, it has to be on QF ticket stock. With AA anyway, you normally have to recheck in/have new boarding passes printed up at the QF counter.

Quoting Australia1 (Thread starter):
CRS shows this as best connection with 2 hours 45 minutes at LAX if on time. In light of recent delays at DEN, is this enough connecting time at LAX zoo.

Should be more than enough.
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RE: QF BNE/LAX Loads 14FEB/26FEB+LAX Security Question

Thu Jan 04, 2007 11:47 am

Quoting 777STL (Reply 5):
With AA anyway, you normally have to recheck in/have new boarding passes printed up at the QF counter.

Why ?

& if have to recheckin at LAX, why bother giving out boarding passes for LAX/BNE flight at DEN ?
 
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RE: QF BNE/LAX Loads 14FEB/26FEB+LAX Security Question

Thu Jan 04, 2007 12:58 pm

Enjoy your holiday, simpilicity.

By the way, does the quicker non-stop service on Qantas BNE-LAX really make up for the inferior product compared with the one-stop NZ 6 via Auckland?
 
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RE: QF BNE/LAX Loads 14FEB/26FEB+LAX Security Question

Thu Jan 04, 2007 1:14 pm

Quoting Australia1 (Thread starter):
Does anyone know what that was all about ?

& does this nonscience still exist ?

Not speaking about LAX in particular, but in general it's a TSA-ism, if you stand your ground or request a supervisor you can usually convince them that you When doing a NW to DL connection at DTW (before DL moved), with NW issued boarding pases I wound up getting into several intertwined debates with the agent....

At first the agent tried telling me I was at the wrong terminal "The boarding pass says 'Northwest'. Northwest isn't in this terminal" (To which I pointed out that the flight number started with "DL" which was Delta, and I was in the right terminal...and presumably the person who handed me the boarding pass with 'Northwest' printed on it told me that I needed to change terminals instead of me voluntarially hiking between the two.

Then it turned into "The name on your boarding pass doesn't match the name on your ID"... Well, DUH. My last name is King-Cliby; airline reservation systems don't do hyphens, so it's always ticketed as KINGCLIBY. Aparently this person didn't think that Lincoln King-Cliby and KINGCLIBY/LINCOLN were the same person. (Yeah, there are hundreds of us King-Clibys running around...)

By this time a supervisor got involved and I went through without any further hassle...

Ok, there's my TSA rant for today.

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RE: QF BNE/LAX Loads 14FEB/26FEB+LAX Security Question

Thu Jan 04, 2007 1:19 pm

Quoting Australia1 (Reply 6):
Why ?

& if have to recheckin at LAX, why bother giving out boarding passes for LAX/BNE flight at DEN ?

Your guess is as good as mine? That's just been my experience in the past.

Check out www.flyertalk.com, there are some more knowledgeable people there, especially in the QF forum.
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RE: QF BNE/LAX Loads 14FEB/26FEB+LAX Security Question

Thu Jan 04, 2007 4:48 pm

Quoting Koruman (Reply 7):
Enjoy your holiday, simpilicity.

By the way, does the quicker non-stop service on Qantas BNE-LAX really make up for the inferior product compared with the one-stop NZ 6 via Auckland?

who's simplicity ?

We're not on the flight yet, but it sounds very empty, so should get on. Don't know for sure, but we may be on subload tickets.

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RE: QF BNE/LAX Loads 14FEB/26FEB+LAX Security Question

Fri Jan 05, 2007 3:12 am

Quoting Eoinnz (Reply 3):
However this is what the system shows:
QF175 14FEB is showing 470 spare economy seats and 59 spare business class seats.

QF176 26FEB is showing 254 spare economy seats and 65 spare business class seats. While the economy loadings are possibly correct the business class load is wrong.

Hi - it sounds like you have checked the loads in the Qantas Staff Travel website. Basically, QF oversell LAX due to a higher no-show factor than most other ports, so the numbers above indicate how many seats they are prepared to sell including the no-show factor. As a result, the QF staff travel website quite often shows available seats when there in fact, might not be.

It's quite normal for QF to have up to 100 no-shows on LAX flights.

The best days to travel to the US on QF are Tuesdays (lightest loads) and same ex LAX. If that's not possible, try to avoid the weekend peak as I have seen many tears and offloads on these days.

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RE: QF BNE/LAX Loads 14FEB/26FEB+LAX Security Question

Fri Jan 05, 2007 7:06 am

Quoting Onedude (Reply 11):
The best days to travel to the US on QF are Tuesdays (lightest loads) and same ex LAX

probably why not BNE/LAX/BNE's on Tue's or Thu's !!!!
 
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RE: QF BNE/LAX Loads 14FEB/26FEB+LAX Security Question

Fri Jan 05, 2007 7:12 am

Quoting Koruman (Reply 7):
Enjoy your holiday, simpilicity.

By the way, does the quicker non-stop service on Qantas BNE-LAX really make up for the inferior product compared with the one-stop NZ 6 via Auckland?

What do you mean inferior product? They still offer skybed in J class. along with PTV's in all classes, and a strong change AVOD (all 744's should be completed by MARCH with AVOD).
 
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RE: QF BNE/LAX Loads 14FEB/26FEB+LAX Security Question

Fri Jan 05, 2007 7:19 am

Quoting Australia1 (Thread starter):
CRS shows this as best connection with 2 hours 45 minutes at LAX if on time. In light of recent delays at DEN, is this enough connecting time at LAX zoo.

That is more than enough time Simplicity

Quoting Australia1 (Thread starter):
Last time we did this flight in FEB, AA at DEN issued 2 boarding passes DEN/LAX & LAX/BNE, but at LAX, security would not accept AA boarding pass LAX/BNE & told to go to QF check in with huge queue & get a QF boarding pass !!!

That person was an idiot. If anything, if you really needed that, you should be able to go through to the gate and have QF print you up a new one. That AA boarding pass should absolutely be recognized by "security" as legitimate.
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RE: QF BNE/LAX Loads 14FEB/26FEB+LAX Security Question

Fri Jan 05, 2007 7:30 am

Well...it's normal and it has been around for long time. Lots of foreign airlines in US always asked pax to get foreign airlines' boarding pass from US airlines such AA, UA, NW, CO and DL. Qantas and Air New Zealand also do the same things.
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RE: QF BNE/LAX Loads 14FEB/26FEB+LAX Security Question

Sat Jan 06, 2007 7:40 am

Quoting FlyboyOz (Reply 15):
Well...it's normal and it has been around for long time. Lots of foreign airlines in US always asked pax to get foreign airlines' boarding pass from US airlines such AA, UA, NW, CO and DL. Qantas and Air New Zealand also do the same things.

yes of course, but why aren't these boarding passes accepted by U.S. so called, security ?
 
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RE: QF BNE/LAX Loads 14FEB/26FEB+LAX Security Question

Sat Jan 06, 2007 9:26 am

Quoting Australia1 (Reply 16):
yes of course, but why aren't these boarding passes accepted by U.S. so called, security ?

Because security is generally ignorant and easily confused. If you are persistant, in my experience, they will be accepted. You may have to be a little more agressive than you would like, but...

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RE: QF BNE/LAX Loads 14FEB/26FEB+LAX Security Question

Sat Jan 06, 2007 10:32 am

Quoting Onedude (Reply 11):
It's quite normal for QF to have up to 100 no-shows on LAX flights.

Sorry but that is way off the mark. You dont get anywhere near that number of noshos even spread over QF012 QF108 or even QF094 on a daily basis.
 
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RE: QF BNE/LAX Loads 14FEB/26FEB+LAX Security Question

Sat Jan 06, 2007 10:56 am

Quoting Australia1 (Reply 10):
We're not on the flight yet, but it sounds very empty, so should get on. Don't know for sure, but we may be on subload tickets.

This is the same guy who has ridiculous comments against QF every thread? The same guy who professes his hatred of QF? And you are trying for an ID90?
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RE: QF BNE/LAX Loads 14FEB/26FEB+LAX Security Question

Sat Jan 06, 2007 1:50 pm

Quoting Curmudgeon (Reply 19):
This is the same guy who has ridiculous comments against QF every thread?

We don't make ridiculous comments about QF or their new U.S. owners.

The same guy who professes his hatred of QF?

Doesn't everyone ?

And you are trying for an ID90?

NO FOC.
 
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RE: QF BNE/LAX Loads 14FEB/26FEB+LAX Security Question

Mon Jan 08, 2007 7:32 am

AC: 744 (2)
14Feb: J/58 Y/273 Staff:0

AC: 744 (2)
26Feb: J/66 Y/237 Staff:2

these loads are as of 8 JAN 07.

Hope that helps.

If you are travelling on a FOC ticket, it is not space avaliable. You will have a seat as FOC seats have black-out dates.

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RE: QF BNE/LAX Loads 14FEB/26FEB+LAX Security Question

Mon Jan 08, 2007 7:47 am

Quoting Airnewzealand (Reply 21):
AC: 744 (2)
14Feb: J/58 Y/273 Staff:0

AC: 744 (2)
26Feb: J/66 Y/237 Staff:2

these loads are as of 8 JAN 07.

Hope that helps.

If you are travelling on a FOC ticket, it is not space avaliable. You will have a seat as FOC seats have black-out dates.

CHeers

thanks.

Wow these flights are really empty !!!

Are these numbers, unticketed seats, or available for sale or unbooked seats ?

Amazing that QF does offer some better deals out there, like UA were offering (FYI- UA offered some incredible early birds to anywhere in USA around May for departures NOV-MAR & seems to have made a lot of people who might have otherwsie flown the nonstops BNE/LAX fly UA instead).

I wish we had Priceline.com here (ie. for flights ex OZ). I hear some travel agents in the USA do very well out of Priceline, ie. buy tix for clients & then add a decent fee.

Best QF fare we can find at present BNE/DEN return for above dates is about AUD$1440 + taxes/charges, whereas UA sold as low as AUD$980 via SYD, but inc. QF BNE/SYD/BNE.

unfortunately have got seats yet. It's all about meeting QF targets, which I believe, we're very close to.

Andrew
 
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RE: QF BNE/LAX Loads 14FEB/26FEB+LAX Security Question

Mon Jan 08, 2007 9:54 pm

To answer some of your questions Australia1...
When operating these flights, these numbers are most unusual as they are usually full to the brim bar JC.

QF are currently having a bit of an advertising blitz in the states, so the seats may fill up soon.

As for the fares, that low compared to SYD and MEL... they usually go for up in the 1800-2000 AUD range, though you do get the service you pay for!!

Hope you enjoy your flights with us!

Cheers

PS: These numbers are fial figures, as of this date but here may be seats on hold...which we cn not tell as they are also included in those numbers.
 
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RE: QF BNE/LAX Loads 14FEB/26FEB+LAX Security Question

Tue Jan 09, 2007 12:19 pm

Quoting Airnewzealand (Reply 23):
When operating these flights, these numbers are most unusual as they are usually full to the brim bar JC.

just spoke to an associate we do business with, who flew BNE/LAX nonstop in Feb 06 & said flight was completely empty (like 50-80 people on whole aircraft !!!)

He gave me the impression, that most flights in FEB are empty & that QF no longer seems to match UA's low fares. UA was doing BNE, SYD or MEL for under AUD$1000 + taxes/charges (with 25% off for kids 2-11) for low season departures up to 9DEC & from 1FEB to 31MAR, on a nett wholesale basis (had to be packaged with something like AUD$400 ground content/person).

Apparently, many of the UA seats on this deal sold & perhaps, the price sensitive market all went to UA, leaving QF flights E M P T Y !!!
 
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RE: QF BNE/LAX Loads 14FEB/26FEB+LAX Security Question

Tue Jan 09, 2007 4:30 pm

You could be quite right Australia1, but the fact remains that QF make MEGA MEGA profits out of MEL/SYD without having to even budge to dropping fares such as UA... this shows you something doesnt it???
 
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RE: QF BNE/LAX Loads 14FEB/26FEB+LAX Security Question

Wed Jan 10, 2007 2:41 pm

Quoting 777STL (Reply 5):
That's normally the way it works, I don't believe QF will accept AA boarding passes, it has to be on QF ticket stock. With AA anyway, you normally have to recheck in/have new boarding passes printed up at the QF counter.

That’s not true. You can board a QF flights with AA boarding pass. It’s call OneWorld alliance. The same goes for Qantas on AA. Often time gate agents will call up passengers holding AA boarding pass to verified ETA’s and APIS. Believe it or not there are AA agents out there that believes that just because you hold a USA passport you can go anywhere without a visa. So to help ease congestion at boarding time agents will process these customers at that time.
 
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RE: QF BNE/LAX Loads 14FEB/26FEB+LAX Security Question

Wed Jan 10, 2007 3:53 pm

Quoting Airnewzealand (Reply 25):
but the fact remains that QF make MEGA MEGA profits out of MEL/SYD without having to even budge to dropping fares such as UA... this shows you something doesnt it???

U missed the point ...

flights in FEB out of BNE, SYD & MEL on QF to west coast apparently all have very poor loads.

UA got in early & did incredible early birds (unlike DEC24 05 when they dumped thousands of seats for depart 25DEC-31MAR).

Earlybirds can work really well for airlines, as they get pax to commit & pay, regardless of what happens in the world !!!

Last minute specials often don't work well for a variety of reasons, such as many people can't get organised at short notice, or can't get accom. (eg. ski accom in nOrth America - all contract rates are gone well before 2 months prior) etc. etc.

QF could easily dump seats but only on a wholesale & not a retail level so actually price is hidden to consumer & not seen as bastardising fare.
 
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RE: QF BNE/LAX Loads 14FEB/26FEB+LAX Security Question

Wed Jan 10, 2007 5:59 pm

I think we both missed each others points...

QF out of SYD and MEL and even AKL is jam packed all of FEB so i have no idea where you are getting your loads from regarding FEB travel to the states. and my point is that this is done when QF has not even had a sale within Australia and has not needed to "dump" seats as other carriers have.
BNE is a completely different agenda when you have NZ and UA also operating one stop cheap fares to the states.
 
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RE: QF BNE/LAX Loads 14FEB/26FEB+LAX Security Question

Wed Jan 10, 2007 8:48 pm

Quoting Airnewzealand (Reply 28):
QF out of SYD and MEL and even AKL is jam packed all of FEB so i have no idea where you are getting your loads from regarding FEB travel to the states. and my point is that this is done when QF has not even had a sale within Australia and has not needed to "dump" seats as other carriers have.

We think your wrong about loads out of SYD, MEL & AKL, but will check tomorrow !!!

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