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Ex-RG Fleet Status?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 12:53 am

Hello to all of you,

I would like to know what's the status of each airplanes types that RG used to operate. I know two 777s will be scrapped, but what about the M11, 767, 733, 73NG ??

What's the current fleet structure of the "new" VARIG ?

Many many thanks,


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RE: Ex-RG Fleet Status?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 2:58 am

The current fleet is
13 737-300
2 767-300 lsd from Euro Atlantic
3 MD11

This is from Airfleets so I'm not 100% sure its correct.

6 MD11 went to UPS(2),Fedex(1),and the other are going to TAM and A couple were in GIG but I'm not sure if their still there.

The 4 737NG went to Gol.

The 2 757 went to Kras Air (in Air Union livery)

1 737-500 went to Avolar, 3 were returned to lessors.

3 737-300 went to Webjet(1),Hemus Air (1),and Adam Air(1). 8 were returned to lessors

The 4 737-400 are stored
 
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RE: Ex-RG Fleet Status?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 3:28 am

Quoting Asuflyer (Reply 1):
The current fleet is
13 737-300
2 767-300 lsd from Euro Atlantic
3 MD11

Now they (VRG Linhas Aéreas) have one more B737-300 in service.
 
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RE: Ex-RG Fleet Status?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 3:31 am

More info...

2 777-200A returned (PP-VRI / VRJ) to lessors

1 777-200ER now with AM (PP-VRA)

1 777-200ER is under maintenance and probably will be AM plane too (PP-VRB)

3 MD-11 goes to TAM (PP-VQJ, PP-VQK, PP-VQX)

1 MD-11 back to RG (PP-VTJ, today in certifying flight at GIG to run this night GIG-GRU-FRA)

1 MD-11 flying with Varig till today (PP-VTK) will be returned to the lessor for cargo conversion.

2 767-300ER (PP-VOE/VOI), in final negotiations to keep with RG

1 767-300ER ready to be returned to the lessor (PP-VPV)

2 777-200ER with unclear future (PP-VRE and VRF)

4 (and not 2) 757-200 returned to lessor

4 737NG (being 2 737-700 and 2 737-800) now under Gol colours as informed above

more 3 737-300 to return service with RG during the next 2 weeks (PP-VOO, VOS, VOT)

One more 737-300 (PP-VTW) stored at CGH will be returned to the lessor, RG does not accept the lease/selling price.

1 MD-11 still at BSB (Tam is using this a/c as mock-up for Crew training)

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RE: Ex-RG Fleet Status?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 6:32 am

Many thanks for the infos to all of you guys !! That's what I was looking for !!

I really wasn't aware that JJ is to fly the MD11 !! Any ideas of the future routes yet ??

Obrigado !!!


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RE: Ex-RG Fleet Status?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 7:14 am

Do you guys believe that the new Varig will announce any airplane order this year? Up to now there are rumors about the E-190. However, nothing was said in the last few weeks.

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RE: Ex-RG Fleet Status?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 8:19 am

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 4):
I really wasn't aware that JJ is to fly the MD11 !! Any ideas of the future routes yet ??

GRU-CDG & CDG-GRU 6x weekly - 2 M11

GIG-CDG (sunday) & CDG-GIG (saturday) - 1 M11 ,
* allowing maintenance on 1 of the 3 M11 at GIG during the sunday (plane arrive GIG 0530 depart to CDG late night*

JJ8091 MIA-GRU (overnight flight) &
JJ8094 GRU-MIA (daylight flight) - 1 M11

Quoting EMB195ER (Reply 5):
Do you guys believe that the new Varig will announce any airplane order this year? Up to now there are rumors about the E-190. However, nothing was said in the last few weeks.

Probably will confirm 2 763 during the next 2 weeks. The A343 is also on the spotlight, just rumors and nothing confirmed yet.
For sure they will need around 8 widebodies to run the flights they announce to be resumed (LHR, MAD, MIA and more FRA service among others)

Note: EMB195ER, i stayed in NYC during the year-end!

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RE: Ex-RG Fleet Status?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 8:35 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 3):
2 777-200ER with unclear future (PP-VRE and VRF)

Interesting ... I would expect these, being ER models, would be quite sought after.

The poor "A" models, as we know, are worth more in parts ...

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RE: Ex-RG Fleet Status?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 8:40 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 6):
The A343 is also on the spotlight

They have done so much work with Boeing birds the whole time why now switch over to A343? Is Airbus offering a price in which they can not refuse?
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RE: Ex-RG Fleet Status?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:37 am

Last week I saw a B777 parked near the JFK AA maintenance hanger... what's the status of that aircraft?

P.S. - the VARIG livery is beautiful up close.
 
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RE: Ex-RG Fleet Status?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 1:42 pm

Quoting N484ER (Reply 9):
Last week I saw a B777 parked near the JFK AA maintenance hanger... what's the status of that aircraft?

PP-VRE, 777-200ER with PW4090 engine (it's missing one engine)

The plane need some improvements on hydraulics, seats and some PTVs are broken. Do not keep AVOD system.

Configuration: 12F, 49C, 210Y

In general, the plane is in good condition, use to fly GRU-FRA-GRU.

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 8):
They have done so much work with Boeing birds the whole time why now switch over to A343? Is Airbus offering a price in which they can not refuse?

It's just a rumor but some sources from RG says it's a pressure on Boeing and lessors for a better deal. They will need some widebodies and RG investors use to say they want "the best".

Quoting Litz (Reply 7):
Interesting ... I would expect these, being ER models, would be quite sought after.

Yes, but one (VRE) is missing one engine, and the other need two engines as well as some minor improvements. For sure a huge investment for a new leasing.

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RE: Ex-RG Fleet Status?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 9:06 am

A343's joining VRN isn't just a rumor; the deal is closed. The first acft will arrive in March. The real rumor: Varig with 747-400. According to some sources, two have been confirmed while another two would be under negotiation. Fact of the matter is that the MD-11s are supposed to leave until Apr-2007.

On a side note: it's ironic that TAM will be Brazil's final pax MD-11 operator... Nobody saw that comminng...

Comming back to VRN... As things stand, an official statement from Varig about future developments (that includes the fleet) is expected withtin two weeks (according to internal sources, that is).

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RE: Ex-RG Fleet Status?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 10:12 am

Quoting SAOAP (Reply 11):
A343's joining VRN isn't just a rumor; the deal is closed

Where are this (or these) birds coming from? How many are they? Do you have any information?

Regards
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RE: Ex-RG Fleet Status?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 10:23 am

Quoting EMB195ER (Reply 12):

A343 - 2 by March-07 >> Confirmed. No news where theses planes might be comming from (my guess would have been AC)...
B744 - 2 apparently confirmed by March-07. Another 2 being negotiated. Source is also a mystery...
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RE: Ex-RG Fleet Status?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 1:37 pm

Quoting SAOAP (Reply 13):
A343 - 2 by March-07 >> Confirmed. No news where theses planes might be comming from (my guess would have been AC)...

The rumor says ex-VS planes, AC has only A345 available IIRC at this time.

Quoting SAOAP (Reply 13):
B744 - 2 apparently confirmed by March-07. Another 2 being negotiated. Source is also a mystery...

So many times i heard about B744 again at Varig that nowadays it's hard to believe!

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RE: Ex-RG Fleet Status?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 6:06 pm

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 14):

Concerning the Varig's 343's: VS was most people's first guess too. However their two available 343 will be going to Air Plus Comet. Don't know if they have another two which will become available until March...

AC would make sense because of Varig's relationship to Matlin Paterson, who happens to be a shareholder of AC's holding. Then again, this is only my guess. Who knows, the planes might be comming from someplace else.

Concerning the 744's: you're right, the 744 has been a much discussed issue for a long time now. Then again, there simply are no wide-body's available out there. With the MD-11 being phased out by April, they will have to find some temporary replacement until they can order their own planes. The 744 would mae sense for destinations like FRA or LHR. And by the latest information I have, two 744 have indeed been negotiated while another two might be on the way.

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RE: Ex-RG Fleet Status?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 7:15 pm

Quoting SAOAP (Reply 13):
A343 - 2 by March-07 >> Confirmed. No news where theses planes might be comming from (my guess would have been AC)...

The source is on Wikipedia. At least it is on there as orderd fleet.

Quoting SAOAP (Reply 13):
B744 - 2 apparently confirmed by March-07. Another 2 being negotiated. Source is also a mystery...

So we can take it this is not true because of no link or source correct? Is this all just F/A talk?

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 14):
The rumor says ex-VS planes

How many A340-300 birds are there in the VS fleet? I know I am schedualed to fly on one from LHR - NBO in July. I hope there is still a good chance they keep it because I have never been on an A340-300 and thus I chose VS to take me there.

So with RG going after these A340-300s, they will need to be training for the Airbus birds. Where will this training be coming from? RG has always been a Boeing company and I just find it so hard for them to be going to a mixed fleet now. I think that they need to be in talks with someone for some 777s and 767s. They did used to operate the 747 but are those piolts still around for RG? If the 747-400 was to come back, could we see it used on the MIA-GRU flights and the current bird on the MIA-GRU flights moved to JFK-GRU?
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RE: Ex-RG Fleet Status?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 7:15 pm

I think before the end of this year Varig might announce a longhaul fleet order. Having Airbus and Boeing is just a temporary situation to cover their immediate necessities.

PL: LipeGIG, I imagined that who hadn't come to London. Did you have a good time in NY?
 
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RE: Ex-RG Fleet Status?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 7:16 pm

I think before the end of this year Varig might announce a longhaul fleet order. Having Airbus and Boeing is just a temporary situation to cover their immediate necessities.

PL: LipeGIG, I imagined that you weren't around. Did you have a good time in NY?
 
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RE: Ex-RG Fleet Status?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 7:44 pm

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 16):

Wikipedia?! How the hell did they get this information? Had no idea they published that. Anyway, the deal with the 343 was confirmed by an insider. Training? Don't know. AC perhaps? Remember that Varig had, a long time ago, 4 A300B4's in their fleet... The idea isn't absurd. It's a good thing, especially for future negotiations with both Boeing and Airbus.

The 744: I wouldn't dismiss it at all. There is definitely something there. I know for a fact that the studies were made and the addition of these planes would only be temporary. Routes studied were FRA and LHR. I don't think MIA would be the way to go. Nor JFK. MIA will probably be 763 and JFK also 763 (maybe 343).

Quoting EMB195ER (Reply 18):

That's the general consensus around here. We will see some orders from Varig before too long. Long-haul and short-haul. Personally, I hope they go with Boeing & Embraer. Can't wait to see an Embraer wearing their colors  Smile

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RE: Ex-RG Fleet Status?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 7:56 pm

Will the new Varig have better mx? I do not want to see any A340's going to the scrap yard.

I've said it before and i'll say it again: RG's people need LufthansaTechniks to help them train more people to carry out productive mx.

The 744's are a definite it seems, so which engines, GE, or P&W. Maybe they'll get RR.

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RE: Ex-RG Fleet Status?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 8:07 pm

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 20):
The 744's are a definite it seems, so which engines, GE, or P&W. Maybe they'll get RR.

Where is your source please?

Quoting SAOAP (Reply 19):
Wikipedia?! How the hell did they get this information?

Wikipedia is all knowing  Wink But honestly, they have great information for airlines.

Quoting SAOAP (Reply 19):
The idea isn't absurd. It's a good thing, especially for future negotiations with both Boeing and Airbus.

Well I find it kind of stupid. Sure, if RG is messing around with Airbus then Boeing will want a piece of the action as well. But RG should already have a relationship with Boeing seeing that the aircraft have all been Boeing in the past. If RG wants to save money and not waste it and go back down the crapper, dont mix your fleets!

Quoting SAOAP (Reply 19):
Routes studied were FRA and LHR

The FRA route of course will be a great route. LHR, this is a toughy because of TAM taking the route. I would like to see RG in Japan and in the Middle East (Is the largest Middle Eastern population in Brasil Lebaniese?). RG leaves the Star Alliance on January 31st of this year so they will need to jump back into these places like the United States and Europe very strongly. They can not let TAM take everying away from them and let themselfs be the 4th place airline in Brasil anylonger. I am sure after they leave *A that code shares will continue with LH and AC.

Quoting SAOAP (Reply 19):
That's the general consensus around here. We will see some orders from Varig before too long. Long-haul and short-haul. Personally, I hope they go with Boeing & Embraer. Can't wait to see an Embraer wearing their colors

Yes the Boeing and Embraer would go well together. I am not a fan of RG having regional service though. Rio Sul can operate the 737s still in my opinion.

In all my fantisies, I think that RG needs to get a northern hub and beat the TAM and AA from the north to America. I believe this will give RG the life it needs.
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RE: Ex-RG Fleet Status?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 8:08 pm

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 8):
They have done so much work with Boeing birds the whole time why now switch over to A343? Is Airbus offering a price in which they can not refuse?

Jeez, why always bring up this crap? Its always the same with you guys, when an airline switches over to Airbus it's because "they got the planes for half the price/for a price they cant refuse/for pay 1, get 1 free" however when an airline switches from airbus to boeing its because "Boeing offers the better product/produces the better planes after all".

It's getting boring really.
 
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RE: Ex-RG Fleet Status?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 9:36 pm

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 21):
The FRA route of course will be a great route. LHR, this is a toughy because of TAM taking the route. I would like to see RG in Japan and in the Middle East (Is the largest Middle Eastern population in Brasil Lebaniese?).

I do believe there is space for TAM and Varig in the Brazil - UK route. If Varig comes back with a reliable service people will definitely start flying with them again.

Have a look at these reports and you will see that TAM has not been perfect in the UK - Brazil route. Of course, it is only 3 reports and can't be generalized. However, I have to say that TAM staff is very known in Brazil for their poor English. I imagined that it had changed in the last few years, but apparently things haven't changed at all.

http://www.airlinequality.com/Forum/tam.htm

I have to say again that I am not against TAM. I do believe there is space for 2 Brazilian airlines in the international market. After all, according to the article below (sorry, only in Portuguese) 73% of the international passengers to/from Brazil were transported by foreigner airlines. It shows that TAM and Varig can co-exist together as major Brazilian airlines flying abroad.

http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/folha/dinheiro/ult91u113425.shtml
 
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RE: Ex-RG Fleet Status?

Sun Jan 07, 2007 3:12 am

Quoting SAOAP (Reply 19):
Remember that Varig had, a long time ago, 4 A300B4's in their fleet... The idea isn't absurd.

I believe those were inherited from Cruzeiro and didn't last very long in the fleet.

I don't think they fit RG's fleet plans very well.

As for the longhaul order. . . I think it will be a while before we see that. But they should order B787s or A350s even if they have to wait. RG should concentrate on the domestic market for now. They have a long way to go. A B737/A320 order would make much more sense.

And I think the E-jets would be very useful for the smaller cities and weekend shuttle service.
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RE: Ex-RG Fleet Status?

Sun Jan 07, 2007 5:30 am

I think they will, as already said before, keep only a few strategic international destinations, such as EZE, SCL, BOG, CCS, FRA, LHR, MAD, MIA, JFK and maybe MXP and MXE. This will allow RG to be back to Star Alliance.

In terms of domestic network I would say they are going to the right direction, since they are bringing back mainly flights from CGH. These flights are more lucrative than those from GRU.

Also agree that a major investiment in aircrafts for the domestic market will be more than welcomed. I can not wait to see the E-190 on RG colours.  bouncy 
 
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RE: Ex-RG Fleet Status?

Sun Jan 07, 2007 5:56 am

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 16):
If the 747-400 was to come back, could we see it used on the MIA-GRU flights and the current bird on the MIA-GRU flights moved to JFK-GRU?

I doubt, RG need to return the M11's. For sure what i know is that 2 763 will be back, and if they can get more planes during the next two weeks to replace the M11's, they will announce LHR with 763, otherwise they will need to use the 763 on GIG-GRU-FRA.

Quoting EMB195ER (Reply 17):
PL: LipeGIG, I imagined that who hadn't come to London. Did you have a good time in NY?

Amazing time, today is perfect, almost 72F !!!!

Quoting EMB195ER (Reply 17):
I think before the end of this year Varig might announce a longhaul fleet order. Having Airbus and Boeing is just a temporary situation to cover their immediate necessities

I agree 100% with you, it's the only way to keep a good fleet in conditions to compete against JJ and others.

Quoting EMB195ER (Reply 23):
I do believe there is space for TAM and Varig in the Brazil - UK route. If Varig comes back with a reliable service people will definitely start flying with them again.

I'm entirely sure about this. There is market for 4x daily flights Brazil-UK, and i expect one of them out of GIG.. see below.

Quoting EMB195ER (Reply 23):
Have a look at these reports and you will see that TAM has not been perfect in the UK - Brazil route. Of course, it is only 3 reports and can't be generalized. However, I have to say that TAM staff is very known in Brazil for their poor English. I imagined that it had changed in the last few years, but apparently things haven't changed at all.

Well, i flew LHR-GRU-GIG on Dec 23 - First Class on their best A332 (PR-MVL). Check-in was faster and as quick as anyone desire, seat 1K in it's most perfect condition.
Crew was just amazing, service is perfect (two days before i flew JFK-LHR on AA First Class also, and i can say that JJ is on a higher level of service), seat is soooo comfortable.
The only problems was at GRU, meanwhile i'm escorted by Tam Special Services and spent the time at their lounge, i wait for 6 hours for my connecting flight to Rio with more 2F and 15C customers. From GRU to GIG no service, but on a C seat (A320), nothing to say about.
Also, prices from LHR to Brazil are not that bad, even cheaper than the ones US-Brazil.
Funny from 7F customers (3 upgraded), 3 goes to Rio, 1 to EZE and i don't know about the others...

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RE: Ex-RG Fleet Status?

Sun Jan 07, 2007 8:06 am

Quoting SAOAP (Reply 13):
A343 - 2 by March-07 >> Confirmed. No news where theses planes might be comming from (my guess would have been AC)...

ILFC will have A340 9Y-TJN available for lease around Apr when it is returned off lease by BWIA.

Also ILFC A340 C-FDRO will be available around May when it is returned off lease by Air Canada.

My guess is that Air Canada A340-313 C-FTNQ may be returned to ILFC off lease, and along with the BWIA aircraft which is the former Air Canada C-FTNP will go to Varig as they are identical aircrafts.
 
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RE: Ex-RG Fleet Status?

Sun Jan 07, 2007 4:19 pm

One AC A343 is going on March or May 06 to LA.
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