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Could B6 Buy NW?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 8:52 am

Just kind of thinking that this could be a great match. Very similar fleets (dump the DC9s and get more E190's), and rather complimentry routes, plus it could make an instant global LCC>
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RE: Could B6 Buy NW?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 8:59 am

Similar fleets?
320 and 190 versus, uh, DC-9, A32X with different engines, A330s, 757s, 747s, etc etc etc.

Complimentary routes? Don't really see how a NRT hub compliments JFK or LGB.

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RE: Could B6 Buy NW?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 9:00 am

Sounds awesome, but NW would cost way more than B6 could ever afford (NW is worth more than B6)... not to mention all the nasty unions at NW.
 
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RE: Could B6 Buy NW?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 9:09 am

Domestically they do have, B6 very strong on the East Coast, NW very stong on the Midwest. Both have large fleets of A320, dump the 9's for E190's. The name would stay as NW, but with Neeleman running the show and making NW a large global LCC.
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RE: Could B6 Buy NW?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 9:12 am

Quoting AA787823 (Reply 3):
Both have large fleets of A320, dump the 9's for E190's. The name would stay as NW, but with Neeleman running the show and making NW a large global LCC.

This has as much chance of happening as I have of playing in one of the NFL Wild Card games this weekend.

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RE: Could B6 Buy NW?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 9:12 am

If they dumped First class, I'd be making no more stops in MSP, MEM, or DTW... Continental would be my new best friend and I'd hand out a half-million FF miles as Christmas presents!

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RE: Could B6 Buy NW?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 9:17 am

IMHO, this is so ridiculous it does not merit discussion, but I will play along with some key points on why this would never happen just because I'm bored:

1. Besides the A320, the fleet types are vastly different. I would GUESS that the A320 (and I don't mean airbus shorthaul fleet in general) is only about 10-15% of NWs fleet.

2. Why would B6 want hundreds of very old, and very fuel INefficient DC-9s. JetBlue prides themselves on operating modern, clean, fuel efficient aircraft with a great IFE product? That is pretty much the opposite of NW's DC-9s, and their shorthaul operation in general.

3. B6 does not have the funds to purchase NW

4. Why would B6 ever want to absorb NW's aging labor force, one that is heavily unionized and greatly resents management? Again this is a polar opposite of what JetBlue tries to do.
 
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RE: Could B6 Buy NW?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 9:29 am

NW and B6 have different engines.

Quoting LGAtoIND (Reply 6):
1. Besides the A320, the fleet types are vastly different. I would GUESS that the A320 (and I don't mean airbus shorthaul fleet in general) is only about 10-15% of NWs fleet.

They make up 23% of NW's fleet currently. (As of 6/30/06 numbers)

Quoting LGAtoIND (Reply 6):
2. Why would B6 want hundreds of very old, and very fuel INefficient DC-9s.

Those inefficient DC-9's make NW a boatload of money being paid off over weighs the fuel costs.

Quoting AA787823 (Reply 3):
Domestically they do have, B6 very strong on the East Coast, NW very stong on the Midwest.

B6 doesn't have a very strong East coast, NW has several several more cities on the East coast then jetblue does even system wide.

Quoting AA787823 (Reply 3):
dump the 9's for E190's.

Well unless they figure out how to get 105 E190's then I don't think thats going to happen.

Quoting InTheSky74 (Reply 2):
not to mention all the nasty unions at NW.
 
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RE: Could B6 Buy NW?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 10:00 am

No offense but this would be ridculous to even answer. they might could afford 3 or 4 747,s and run lgb to nrt
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RE: Could B6 Buy NW?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 10:15 am

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 7):
B6 doesn't have a very strong East coast, NW has several several more cities on the East coast then jetblue does even system wide.

Yes, but how many flights a day does NW have from these East coast cities? Most stations probably 3-10 max. And even these flights are to places in the Midwest or MEM (which is really in the middle of the country, although technically not the "midwest" and certainly not the east coast), not along the east coast (ex: BOS-FLL). And I do not consider places like BUF, ROC, SYR or PIT to be "east coast", as they are far from any coast. Anyone who thinks that NW is "bigger" than B6 on the east coast has been smoking something before they posted.
 
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RE: Could B6 Buy NW?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:15 am

Quoting Logos (Reply 4):
This has as much chance of happening as I have of playing in one of the NFL Wild Card games this weekend.



Quoting LGAtoIND (Reply 6):
IMHO, this is so ridiculous it does not merit discussion,



Quoting JetJeanes (Reply 8):
No offense but this would be ridculous to even answer. they might could afford 3 or 4 747,s and run lgb to nrt

Such negativity!

You do realize that it matters not how much you have in the bank to buy an airline, right? You do realize that any one of us if we had a great plan and could convince a financier to bankroll us could actually but NWA, right?

Worldcom bought MCI. (Worldcom was almost an unknown outside of the deep South.) HP bought US. US is trying to swallow DL. History is full of cases where the little guy bought the big guy. Write a proposal. don't pu-pu the idea.  Wink
 
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RE: Could B6 Buy NW?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:39 am

Quoting D L X (Reply 10):
You do realize that it matters not how much you have in the bank to buy an airline, right?

Yes, I realize this and I also realize that there is historical precident (see Texas Air Corp. & Continental, to name one). However, it is extraordinarily hard to feature jetBlue having any interest in doing such a thing. Could they line up the venture capital to buy NW? Sure. But why would they? Superficial fleet similarities aside, I can't think of 2 carriers with more divergent business models & philosophies.

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RE: Could B6 Buy NW?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:43 am

The employee cultures at B6 differ big time to NW. Plus it would be a fleet nightmare. Both airlines have major strenghts, but I would doubt B6 would be interested in NW.
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RE: Could B6 Buy NW?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 12:47 pm

Quoting LGAtoIND (Reply 9):
Anyone who thinks that NW is "bigger" than B6 on the east coast has been smoking something before they posted.

How about DTW to: Bangor, Portland(Maine), Manchester, Boston, Providence, Hartford, White Plaines, JFK, LGA, EWR, PHL, ABE, Norfolk, Baltimore, Myrtle Beach, Charleston, Savannah, Jacksonville, Orlando, West Palm Beach, FLL, MIA, RSW, TPA, SRQ.

Those are the ones that are actually remotely close to the actual coast, but by definition the East Coast is broader then that.
 
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RE: Could B6 Buy NW?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 12:58 pm

Quoting AA787823 (Thread starter):
Could B6 Buy NW?

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You're kidding me, right?

Quoting AA787823 (Thread starter):
Very similar fleets (dump the DC9s and get more E190's)

Really? A320's with IAE engines and EMB-190's vs. 747-200/400's, DC-10-30's, A330-200/300's, 757-200/300's, A320's with CFM engines, A319's, DC-9-30/40/50's, and not to mention Pinnacle and Mesaba.

Quoting AA787823 (Thread starter):
it could make an instant global LCC

I know the I-<3-B6 crowd's gonna kill me for this, but jetBlue isn't much of an LCC from the prices I saw.

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RE: Could B6 Buy NW?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 1:11 pm

Quoting AA787823 (Thread starter):
Could B6 Buy NW?

You could convince me that the earth is flat before you could convince me that such an acquisition could happen...

Quoting AA787823 (Thread starter):
plus it could make an instant global LCC

That's exactly what the world doesn't need... an international WN. LCCs are ballooning in Asia anyway. I say just hope for AA, which could financially swing such a deal.
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RE: Could B6 Buy NW?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 1:17 pm

Ya know...you'd be better off just putting all of the airlines in a hat and pulling two out.

And the two would probably work better than B6+NW.

Take some obsure pairing...like...Southwest and Midwest. They have no common fleet type, but I think it would work!

Think of it as the answer to Midwest's problems and the way for Southwest to tap into the Midwest.


It's not going to happen, of course, but EVERY PAIRING is possible and would have its ups and downs. The point I'm trying to make is that we can speculate all that we want, but sometimes the unthinkable happens. (AA/TW comes to mind)

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RE: Could B6 Buy NW?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 7:05 pm

Quoting Logos (Reply 11):
Superficial fleet similarities aside, I can't think of 2 carriers with more divergent business models & philosophies.

Delta and US Airways  duck .

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 1):
And WHERE do you get off with a username so similar to mine!?!?!? Thief!!!

Really, when I initially saw the first reply, I thought we had one user discussing with himself, before I saw the slight difference in the userID.

As far as this "idea" goes, it's too early in the day and I have not yet consumed enought caffeine and/or booze to give this a serious thought, it's just too far out of this world.
 
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RE: Could B6 Buy NW?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 9:25 pm

Sorry, but why this B6 bashing in many many threads here? Don´t wanna start a new topic about it, I´m just curious..

Is B6 unpopular in US, or what? I thought Southwest was the most horrible domestic carrier in US, am I wrong?

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RE: Could B6 Buy NW?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 9:53 pm

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 18):
Is B6 unpopular in US, or what?

No, but there are a lot of ultra-biased people that use this site. You won't get an accurate view of how the public views US domestic airlines here, I'd say.
 
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RE: Could B6 Buy NW?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 10:11 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 19):
No, but there are a lot of ultra-biased people that use this site. You won't get an accurate view of how the public views US domestic airlines here, I'd say.

I will second that. The general opinions on this board in no way reflect the opinions of the flying public.
 
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RE: Could B6 Buy NW?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 10:31 pm

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 20):
The general opinions on this board in no way reflect the opinions of the flying public.

Most of the flying public probably couldn't tell these airlines apart to begin with  Silly .

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 18):
Sorry, but why this B6 bashing in many many threads here?

Where in this thread do you see B6 bashing? All I see in here is bashing of the OP's idea.
 
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RE: Could B6 Buy NW?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 10:34 pm

@ DAL767400ER

Sorry

I mean B6 bashing in many topics at A.net.

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RE: Could B6 Buy NW?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 10:52 pm

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 22):
@ DAL767400ER

Sorry

I mean B6 bashing in many topics at A.net.

Well, in that case, it's simply in the genes of A.netters to hate on other airlines  Silly .
 
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RE: Could B6 Buy NW?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 12:30 am

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 22):
I mean B6 bashing in many topics at A.net.



Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 23):
simply in the genes of A.netters to hate on other airlines

Yeah, that too lol. But really, it's because B6 has a lot of fans who talk (seemingly) non-stop about it being the greatest airline of all. Now, I may be biased because I work for B6, and I agree that we've got something special - but the 'greatest airline of all' would be a stretch...and merely an opinion of some. So it gets annoying to others who don't share that sentiment (from experience) when they hear "OMG JETBLUE JETBLUE JETBLUE!!!!" allll the time  wink .

Noooow, as for B6 vs NW? Yea-no.  biggrin 
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RE: Could B6 Buy NW?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 12:45 am

not unless B6 wants to go out of business....on paper B6 could probably afford to buy NW.
 
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RE: Could B6 Buy NW?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 12:58 am

Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 14):
Quoting AA787823 (Thread starter):
Could B6 Buy NW?

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You're kidding me, right?

That was my exact reaction when I heard HP was interested in buying US.
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RE: Could B6 Buy NW?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:26 am

Heck no! Why doesn't Southwest buy DL? or FL buy UA? They simply can't afford it.
 
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RE: Could B6 Buy NW?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 4:36 am

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 22):
I mean B6 bashing in many topics at A.net.

Every airline more or less is bashed on in this forum.... for some reason, people are really touchy about B6.

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 25):
not unless B6 wants to go out of business....on paper B6 could probably afford to buy NW.

No, I don't think they could afford NW, and who would give them a loan to buy it, no one with a brain. NW is a way way way larger operation. PS, like they'd get past NW's unions..... even if they did have the cash.

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 26):
Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 14):
Quoting AA787823 (Thread starter):
Could B6 Buy NW?

laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing
You're kidding me, right?

That was my exact reaction when I heard HP was interested in buying US.

HP and US had fleets of similar sizes, were not too far apart in terms of their size as operations, employed in the same ballpark of number of people. Jetblue has 118 aircraft, NW has 502 ... and actually has about as many aircraft effectively parked as B6 has all together. Hey, I have an idea, why doesn't Bombardier buy Boeing?

Quoting MEACEDAR (Reply 27):
Heck no! Why doesn't Southwest buy DL? or FL buy UA? They simply can't afford it.

FL buying UA is on par with how rediculous B6 buying NW.... but WN actually could buy DL, though i can't imagine they'd ever want to.
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