corey07850
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First "Green" Falcon 7x Pics In The US

Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:52 am

Today we had the lovely visit of one of the first customer 7X's grace TEB for a little media work before heading to Little Rock... Here's a couple pics of the "green" plane, which is a simply amazing aircraft... Look out Gulfstream

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/corey07850/FA7x1.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/corey07850/FA7X2.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/corey07850/FA7X3.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/corey07850/FA7X4.jpg


Oh, and a new G-150 to boot

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/corey07850/N501RP.jpg
 
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RE: First "Green" Falcon 7x Pics In The US

Fri Jan 05, 2007 12:08 pm

A green plane sure looks ugly. So how is this plane going to compete or beat the G-5 or whatever the best Gulfstream has to offer?
 
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RE: First "Green" Falcon 7x Pics In The US

Fri Jan 05, 2007 12:15 pm

Quoting JayDavis (Reply 1):
So how is this plane going to compete or beat the G-5 or whatever the best Gulfstream has to offer?

- The GV can go 200NM further, but costs $10 Million more...
- 3 Engines Vs 2
- Wider cabin than the G-V
- Fly By Wire
 
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RE: First "Green" Falcon 7x Pics In The US

Fri Jan 05, 2007 12:32 pm

Quoting JayDavis (Reply 1):
A green plane sure looks ugly. So how is this plane going to compete or beat the G-5 or whatever the best Gulfstream has to offer?

You mean this one....???
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RE: First "Green" Falcon 7x Pics In The US

Sat Jan 06, 2007 1:56 am

That has got to be one of the ugliest planes I have ever seen!
 
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RE: First "Green" Falcon 7x Pics In The US

Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:05 am

How does Dassault justify marketing a trijet, when even larger aircraft are moving to two engines? What about maintenance costs?
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RE: First "Green" Falcon 7x Pics In The US

Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:17 am

Quoting Flysherwood (Reply 4):
That has got to be one of the ugliest planes I have ever seen



Quoting JayDavis (Reply 1):
A green plane sure looks ugly. So how is this plane going to compete or beat the G-5 or whatever the best Gulfstream has to offer?

I really don't think customers care what color the plane is underneath whatever paint option the customers order.
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RE: First "Green" Falcon 7x Pics In The US

Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:28 am

Oh I know the plane will eventually be painted. It just looks so ugly as a green plane. Like the time when Airbus had green skins on their birds as well.

I think that since some of these business jets are going on such long trips that the only way Falcon can show a benefit of the third engine is that if you lose one, you still have two running. I know the Gulfstreams can still fly on one engine and I "assume" they are ETOP's certified, but I know I'd feel safer running on two working engines in a Falcon versus one working engine on a Gulfstream.

I've been on a few Falcons as a friend of mine works as an A&P mechanic for some VERY wealthy people in Fort Worth. You get on board the planes and they just reek of leather and walnut.  Smile
 
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RE: First "Green" Falcon 7x Pics In The US

Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:32 am

This is one gorgeous aircraft... even green!  Smile

This might rival the Citation X for the most beautiful Biz...
The G550 just got bumped to 3rd...

Citation X
Falcon 7X
G550

What are other favorite Biz-jets?
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RE: First "Green" Falcon 7x Pics In The US

Sat Jan 06, 2007 7:49 am

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 8):

What are other favorite Biz-jets?

Challenger 300
Global Express

Quoting N328KF (Reply 5):
How does Dassault justify marketing a trijet, when even larger aircraft are moving to two engines?

Safety
 
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RE: First "Green" Falcon 7x Pics In The US

Sat Jan 06, 2007 8:00 am

Quoting Corey07850 (Reply 9):

Safety

What, a twinjet is safe enough for 450 people but not safe enough for Mr. Power Exec?
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RE: First "Green" Falcon 7x Pics In The US

Sat Jan 06, 2007 8:10 am

I can see past the "bondo" and envision quite the hotrod my friends. Put that baby in a sweet deep blue and white color scheme and we are talking sweet.

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RE: First "Green" Falcon 7x Pics In The US

Sat Jan 06, 2007 8:10 am

Quoting N328KF (Reply 10):

What, a twinjet is safe enough for 450 people but not safe enough for Mr. Power Exec?

No, but it's all about perception and marketing... When you are marketing a plane to companies that will be carrying VIP's, Celebrities, and the Upper Management/CEO types you are certainly going to make a point that your plane has that extra third engine... When it comes to engine-outs on take off or landing you're certainly going to take notice of their trademark corporate jet design

Not to mention that tri-jet biz jets are Dassault's "bread and butter" and has been for many years... Why mess with something that isn't broken?
 
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RE: First "Green" Falcon 7x Pics In The US

Sat Jan 06, 2007 8:14 am

Quoting Rdwelch (Reply 11):
I can see past the "bondo" and envision quite the hotrod my friends. Put that baby in a sweet deep blue and white color scheme and we are talking sweet.

 
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RE: First "Green" Falcon 7x Pics In The US

Sat Jan 06, 2007 8:56 am

Beautiful plane, but I'm not too crazy about all the colored wavy lines on it.........

That is similar to the Nike Gulfstream I photographed a few years ago at LGB. The tail number is N 1 K E.

Not really a pretty paint scheme at all.........  Sad
 
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RE: First "Green" Falcon 7x Pics In The US

Sat Jan 06, 2007 11:03 am

Is it just me or have Dassault changed the tail a lot on the first production model, compared to the test aircraft?

Not just the obvious bulge on top of the tail, which must hold some form of satelite equipment, but the rear of the tailfin looks very different on those two pictures.
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RE: First "Green" Falcon 7x Pics In The US

Sun Jan 07, 2007 2:47 am

Quoting N328KF (Reply 5):
How does Dassault justify marketing a trijet, when even larger aircraft are moving to two engines? What about maintenance costs?



Quoting Corey07850 (Reply 12):
No, but it's all about perception and marketing... When you are marketing a plane to companies that will be carrying VIP's, Celebrities, and the Upper Management/CEO types you are certainly going to make a point that your plane has that extra third engine... When it comes to engine-outs on take off or landing you're certainly going to take notice of their trademark corporate jet design

Not to mention that tri-jet biz jets are Dassault's "bread and butter" and has been for many years... Why mess with something that isn't broken?

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I also read somewhere that the 7X's three are more efficient than some of the others two.
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RE: First "Green" Falcon 7x Pics In The US

Sun Jan 07, 2007 4:07 pm

Business jets are not all about cruise efficiency. 3 engines afford better short field performance than 2, which IS a big consideration for biz jets.
 
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RE: First "Green" Falcon 7x Pics In The US

Sun Jan 07, 2007 4:25 pm

Quoting Corey07850 (Reply 9):
Safety



Quoting Corey07850 (Reply 12):
No, but it's all about perception and marketing... When you are marketing a plane to companies that will be carrying VIP's, Celebrities, and the Upper Management/CEO types you are certainly going to make a point that your plane has that extra third engine... When it comes to engine-outs on take off or landing you're certainly going to take notice of their trademark corporate jet design

I can assure you that not many operators are buying these because of safety!
Two turbines have been proven in all types of aircraft ... biz, airliners etc.

In fact, if you look at the Dassault marketing literature, and I may have missed it, but they don't mention much (if anything) about safety being an advantage with the 3 engines. Not mentioned at all in the high-level bullet point 'advantages' (on the Dassault website anyway).

I recently worked for a company that had Falcon 50's and Falcon 900's, and safety was never one of the main criteria on choosing the type since almost all corporate jets have an excellent record ... regardless of number of engines.

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