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Why Are People Allowed Knitting Needles On Planes?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:06 pm

I regularly fly the ORD - LHR route and I have always wondered why people (mainly the FA's) are allowed to bring their Knitting Needles on to an aircraft to do their knitting.

Sharp objects? Methinks so!

A slightly outlandish question but I just don't get it!
 
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RE: Why Are People Allowed Knitting Needles On Planes?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:15 pm

I can account to the fact that they are. On my recent CTL-FLL flight on US, a lady was knitting some gloves in the seat ahead of me. So take them and enjoy!
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RE: Why Are People Allowed Knitting Needles On Planes?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:23 pm

Knitting needles are no more dangerous than knives with 3 inch blades or scissors with rounded edges, both of which are allowed as well. I wish we moved a bit further away from these rediculous embargos, like 100ml of fluids (What the hell does that mean? is 150ml too dangerous? why not 90 why allow any at all? what if two people carried 100 each and mixed it?). No one is going to hijack a plane with a pair of knitting needles, how knows, maybe they were working on new seat covers...

On a related note, isn't confiscating pocket knives and other sharp objects from pilots a bit neurotic? They have full control of the plane as it is, holding on to a knife is not going make that perticular flight any more or less dangerous...
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RE: Why Are People Allowed Knitting Needles On Planes?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:33 pm

Are these metal.
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RE: Why Are People Allowed Knitting Needles On Planes?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:41 pm

Quoting WJ (Reply 2):
Knitting needles are no more dangerous than knives with 3 inch blades or scissors with rounded edges, both of which are allowed as well. I wish we moved a bit further away from these rediculous embargos, like 100ml of fluids

I agree that the ban on fluids is ridiculous and I also agree that we should move away from these ridiculous "embargos" however, knitting needles are not 3 inches long. Perhaps you are thinking of crachet needles? Knitting needles are long, sharp objects and you can easily kill a person with it. But then again, you can do the same with a ballpoint pen.
 
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RE: Why Are People Allowed Knitting Needles On Planes?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:54 pm

Because many airlines have stopped providing blankets.
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RE: Why Are People Allowed Knitting Needles On Planes?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:57 pm

An airplane will not be commandeered with knitting needles. Times have changed.
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RE: Why Are People Allowed Knitting Needles On Planes?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 1:23 am

Quoting Saab2000 (Reply 6):
An airplane will not be commandeered with knitting needles

Well hold on a sec......if someone held a needle to someones neck (to my neck) they would have my attention.
 
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RE: Why Are People Allowed Knitting Needles On Planes?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 1:31 am

I could understand them banning knitting needles, as you could quite easily use them to do someone some quite serious harm if they are sharp. After all, didn't some of the 9/11 hijackers use box-cutters?

As for the fluids thing, that is utter trash. If liquid explosives were that much of a threat then they should be banned completely, none of this "<100ml containers in a clear plastic bag" rubbish. As someone said, there's nothing to stop Jack and Joe Terrorist from taking two seperate small containers of explosive and mixing them. This is how liquid explosives are most likely to be used. You take two chemicals that are harmless on their own, but explosive together and mix the damned things to create a great big bang.

Its interesting that EU ministers said we were overreacting in the UK when we had our own ban after that foiled terror plot last year, but as soon as we relax our rules they slap their own on. Bureacratic bozos.
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RE: Why Are People Allowed Knitting Needles On Planes?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 1:32 am

Quoting Gr8SlvrFlt (Reply 5):
Because many airlines have stopped providing blankets.

Oh yes! rotfl 

Quoting Gh123 (Reply 7):
Well hold on a sec......if someone held a needle to someones neck (to my neck) they would have my attention.

Nobody move or Gh123 gets knit one, pearl one!

I can vouch that knitting needles (which are normally plastic, but larger ones can be wooden) are generally not considered offensive weapons. On a recent "romantic" weekend away, my wife took a pair of knitting needles with her. Says a lot for my wooing! Wow!

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RE: Why Are People Allowed Knitting Needles On Planes?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 1:32 am

Quoting Gh123 (Reply 7):
Well hold on a sec......if someone held a needle to someones neck (to my neck) they would have my attention.

If someone holds a crocheting needle, which isn't sharp by the way, to your neck and you're worried I feel bad for you.

Why not put us all in handcuffs and ankle cuffs? I have size 14EEE feet and I'm sure I could knock you or anyone else out with a pair of my shoes. I also have an 12" spread on my hand from pinky to thumb which could easily choke the life out of you in under a minute. Those seem like dangerous weapons to me but I could be wrong. Never mind I have a Dell XPS laptop that weighs a ton and could crack your skull or that I could strangle you with my 6 foot long Ethernet cable. Weapons are everywhere if you look hard enough. Keeping simplistic things like crochet needles and liuquids off planes aren't going to do anything to stop the terrorists as they'll find ways to get stuff on board if they want to do so.

I have a crazy idea that just might work...look for the damn terrorist instead of bothering folks looking in vain for something that might be used as a weapon. Keep them off the planes and make travel for those of us that do it for a living a lot easier and relaxing. I know, crazy idea, but it might just work. Oh wait, it does...El Al does it on a daily basis.
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RE: Why Are People Allowed Knitting Needles On Planes?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 1:35 am

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 10):
Why not put us all in handcuffs and ankle cuffs?

OK - I'm not into that kind of thing but if you are that's fine!
 
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RE: Why Are People Allowed Knitting Needles On Planes?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 1:40 am

Because some airlines try to pull the wool over your eyes!!!  Big grin
 
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RE: Why Are People Allowed Knitting Needles On Planes?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:33 am

Well, I am just waiting for Ink Pens to be banned as they can "could" be used too....Speculation seems to breed paranoia...dont you all agree?
What about crochet hooks as well...they are mostly made of metal too...
I too think they need to profile those that look "The Part" like ELAL does, however the PC Machine in the US represented by the ACLU would shit themselvews if we started doing that....Nevermind that it could ultimately avert a disaster.
I say let them bring the knitrting needles on board....There are no guarantees in life, EVER even when you take all the precautions that you can....

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RE: Why Are People Allowed Knitting Needles On Planes?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:44 am

Quoting WJ (Reply 2):
Knitting needles are no more dangerous than knives with 3 inch blades or scissors with rounded edges, both of which are allowed as well. I wish we moved a bit further away from these rediculous embargos, like 100ml of fluids (What the hell does that mean? is 150ml too dangerous? why not 90 why allow any at all? what if two people carried 100 each and mixed it?). No one is going to hijack a plane with a pair of knitting needles, how knows, maybe they were working on new seat covers...

There is another angle to all this. The bottom line is that most of these "bans" cannot be enforced to 100% levels. We just traveled to LIM via LAX and at SJC they made us put all our liquids in a small plastic bag that they provided (Mr. Joe Traveler forgot to bring one, duhhh). After stopping at LAX, we used some lotion that was in the bag and I truly forgot to put it back in the plastic bag. I told the TSA officer that it was inside my bag and I made a futile attempt to retrieve it. The officer just told me to forget about it.
On the trip back, we put the plastic bag with liquids inside one of our hand bags. When we got to SJC, we realized that no one asked us if we had liquids on our stop to LAX. So much for "tight security" at airports.

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RE: Why Are People Allowed Knitting Needles On Pla

Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:58 am

Because the rules are arbitrary, totally nonsensical, and completely ineffective (witness the shoe bomber's attempt, and the foaming on board bombing attempt which now keeps duty free liquids off the aircraft). TSA is chasing its collective tails, and are only inconveniencing the flying public. They are certainly not protecting us, and anyone who thinks they are, well I can sell you a bridge in New York.

My wife carries knitting needles onboard all the time. I think it is insane. They are just as deadly, if not more so than a Swiss Army Knife, or perish the thought, onboard metal cutlery. I board separately...

During one of my more recent "security" checks, I was asked the usual nonsense, and I was asked if I was carrying anything that might be used as a weapon. My reply was that I most certainly was: a bottle of scotch that I had every intention of using as a weapon if I needed to defend myself or fellow passengers on the flight from Isl***ic extremists. Said scotch and I boarded with no further difficulties.

Pathetic waste of my tax dollars!
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RE: Why Are People Allowed Knitting Needles On Planes?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:07 am

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 13):
Well, I am just waiting for Ink Pens to be banned as they can "could" be used too....

G. Gordon Liddy was banned to fly with pencils... Smile
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RE: Why Are People Allowed Knitting Needles On Planes?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:27 am

If you really put your mind to it, anything found on an aircraft can be used as a weapon. Hands, cans, shoes, hats, clothing, hot food, hot water, coffee, tea. The list is endless. As long as there is an imagination to use them and more importantly, a will to use them, anything can be used. Absolutely anything.

I don't worry about knitting needles, box cutters, pocket knives, plastic (or metal) cutlery, etc.. What I worry about (and it really isn't worry, more an on-the-look-out-for) is people who have the ultimate evil thought and fatal result (in the name of whomever or wahtever) with said objects to overtake or commandeer my flight.

We can go on and on about what is or isn't ridiculous, to ban or not to ban. Unless we travel naked with no carry on, there will never be a right, just or correct solution. Just patches to temporarily fix an ongoing problem and even those patches will never sit well with 100% of the population.

So where do we go from there? There is no or never will be a right answer.
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RE: Why Are People Allowed Knitting Needles On Planes?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:52 am

Traveling naked: Don't give TSA any ideas. Think how long would them to clear a planeload of people in line waiting for body cavity searches.

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RE: Why Are People Allowed Knitting Needles On Planes?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 4:02 am

Sometimes I feel threads can get generally too serious - while this is something we can all discuss everyone can have a giggle and if its at my expense then thats fine by me.
 
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RE: Why Are People Allowed Knitting Needles On Planes?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 8:02 am

Quoting FLY2LIM (Reply 14):
they made us put all our liquids in a small plastic bag that they provided (Mr. Joe Traveler forgot to bring one, duhhh).

I just traveled home from OGG, and the security lines were huge. Every minute we were told to double check and make sure that there was nothing in our carry on bags that were not allowed on the plane, and if there was, you will be taken outside to throw whatever you have away, and then have to start at the back of the line all over again. I have never been in a security line that has moved that quickly before. The thought of having to go to the back of the line, apparently, makes everyone do what they are told.
 
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RE: Why Are People Allowed Knitting Needles On Planes?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 8:11 am

Quoting Gh123 (Reply 7):
if someone held a needle to someones neck (to my neck) they would have my attention.

The perpetrator would have a life expectancy of less than 60 seconds. Passengers will not tolerate such behavior anymore and will use all means necessary to stop it.
 
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RE: Why Are People Allowed Knitting Needles On Planes?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 8:19 am

Quoting Gr8SlvrFlt (Reply 5):
Because many airlines have stopped providing blankets.

That's hillarious!

I recently was on a flight where I saw a woman working on knitting. On the return I was talking to an older woman at SNA and she told me that they wouldn't let her bring her knitting needles. I don't know who "they" were but I was surprised at her statement.
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RE: Why Are People Allowed Knitting Needles On Planes?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 8:52 am

Quoting FLY2LIM (Reply 14):
they made us put all our liquids in a small plastic bag that they provided

The one with no more than 3oz bottles inside it? I've wondered how many people buy empty 3 oz. bottles and fill the whole bag with the same thing. Whether that be explosives or vodka...

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RE: Why Are People Allowed Knitting Needles On Planes?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 12:34 pm

This thread reminds me of a comic strip I saw in the newspaper after 9/11, around the start of the war in Afghanistan.

It showed a police officer dragging a little old lady off of a plane, and in the background was the Fight Attendant yelling "not only did she bring knitting needles on board, she was knitting an AFGHAN!"
 
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RE: Why Are People Allowed Knitting Needles On Planes?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 12:50 pm

Those large knitting needles you see are not sharp. They usually have rounded tips. The smaller ones are a bit pointier, but still not a cutting point. If they were sharp, knitters would have bloody fingers or have to wear protective gloves.

Knitting needles are sticks that are used to combine two strands into one cloth. They don't poke into anything really (save for a ball of yarn for storage), and they are only tapered to make the yarn slide on and off the stick more easily.

If someone holds a knitting needle to your throat, fight back. They'd likely need a good back swing to do any real damage, and without a handle, the needles will slip through their hands rather than plunge deep into your body.

Again, anything can be a weapon, but they really aren't dangerous as items go. The wire on the headphones they give out is more dangerous, as that can be used to choke you to death...
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RE: Why Are People Allowed Knitting Needles On Planes?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 1:02 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 3):
Are these metal

They usually made of Aluminium.


They may be certain relaxation regarding carriage of these item on board.
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