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Airbus A330/A340 2006 Best Year?

Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:35 pm

With just a few more days to go before Airbus reveals it's order total for 2006, I think that we can conclude that 2006 was in fact an extraordinary year for the A330/A340 family, in particular for the A332.

Below is the break down of frames and customers.


AIRBUS A330-200


PEGASUS X 6
AERCAP X 20
AFRIQIYAH X 3
CIT LEASING X 10
ILFC X 3 (conversion from 2x A346)
AIR MAURITIUS X 1
VIP X 1
AER LINGUS X 1
QANTAS X 4
TAM X 6


TOTAL: 55 FRAMES


AIRBUS A330-300



LUFTHANSA X 5
SINGAPORE AIRLINES X 19 (LEASED)
AIR CARAIBES X 1
AER LINGUS X 1


TOTAL: 26 FRAMES

AIRBUS A340-300



FINNAIR X 3

TOTAL: 3

AIRBUS A340-500




KINGFISHER X 5

TOTAL: 5 FRAMES

AIRBUS A340-600




LUFTHANSA X 7

TOTAL: 7 FRAMES

GRAND TOTAL: 96 FRAMES.


PENDING ORDERS + RUMOURED.

MEA X 4 (A332)
AIRASIA X 20 (A333) ?
AEROFLOT X 10 (A332)
TRANSAERO x 8 (A332)
GROUP MARSANS x 12 (A332)
Thai x 8 (A333)

TOTAL: 62 FRAMES

Would anyone happen to know what was the largest number of A330/A340 ordered in a single year?

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RE: Airbus A330/A340 2006 Best Year?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 12:33 am

Hi Wings,

Great work! Hopefully Airbus releases their orders for december soon so your list can be completed. No doubt the number will exceed 100.

Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
QANTAS X 4

Qantas ordered 2 in the beginning of the year and 4 more at the time they firmed up their commitment for 8 A380s.
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RE: Airbus A330/A340 2006 Best Year?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 12:42 am

Quoting Manni (Reply 1):
Hi Wings,

Great work! Hopefully Airbus releases their orders for December soon so your list can be completed. No doubt the number will exceed 100.

Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
QANTAS X 4

Qantas ordered 2 in the beginning of the year and 4 more at the time they firmed up their commitment for 8 A380s.

Hi Manni, Thank you for the kind reply.  Smile

Well It seems that you are correct. Qantas did in fact order 4 additional A332's which takes Qantas total to 6 x A332.

This also brings the grand total of A330/A340 ordered in 2006 to 98 frames. Indeed an extraordinary achievement.

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RE: Airbus A330/A340 2006 Best Year?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 12:55 am

Quoting WINGS (Reply 2):
This also brings the grand total of A330/A340 ordered in 2006 to 98 frames. Indeed an extraordinary achievement.

Absolutely!

IMO, there is a problem why the A350 didnt find the same sucess in 06? I hope 2007 we will see the A350 shine!

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RE: Airbus A330/A340 2006 Best Year?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 1:08 am

Quoting BoeingBus (Reply 3):
Absolutely!

IMO, there is a problem why the A350 didnt find the same sucess in 06? I hope 2007 we will see the A350 shine!

Cheers,

Hi BoeingBus,

Well I would expect to see the A330 continue to do well in 2007, if not even better. Airbus is still to announce the launch of the A332F which should help in terms of sales in 2007. It is also likely that Airbus will offer airlines interested in the A350X, the A330 as a stop gap measure.

With the recent surge in both A330/A340 orders one should also expect an increase in production for this model. Especially as it will be very hard for an airline to get it's hands on any new A330/A340 before 2010.

In regards to the A350X, I have no doubt that it will shine in 2007. Unfortunately one has to wait and see.

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RE: Airbus A330/A340 2006 Best Year?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 1:22 am

Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
Would anyone happen to know what was the largest number of A330/A340 ordered in a single year?

2006 will be a long way short of the A330/340's best years!

In 1989 Airbus sold 107 A330s & 81 A340s!  Wow!
In 2000 Airbus sold 110 A330s & 20 A340s.

Not forgetting that Airbus's best widebody year so far was, to many people's surprise, 2005, when they sold a total of 193.
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RE: Airbus A330/A340 2006 Best Year?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 1:28 am

Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
Would anyone happen to know what was the largest number of A330/A340 ordered in a single year?

Go to the link below, and on the left, under "Key Documents" click on O&D 1974-2005. This will open an Excel document that will I think provide you the answer to your question.

http://www.airbus.com/en/corporate/orders_and_deliveries/

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RE: Airbus A330/A340 2006 Best Year?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 1:29 am

Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
Would anyone happen to know what was the largest number of A330/A340 ordered in a single year?

1989: 188 (A330 = 107; A340 = 81)

2000: 130 (A330 = 110; A340 = 20)
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RE: Airbus A330/A340 2006 Best Year?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 1:43 am

Despite 2006 not being the best year for the A330/A340 one has to give Airbus a pat in the back for a job well done.

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 5):
2006 will be a long way short of the A330/340's best years!

In 1989 Airbus sold 107 A330s & 81 A340s! Wow!
In 2000 Airbus sold 110 A330s & 20 A340s.

Not forgetting that Airbus's best widebody year so far was, to many people's surprise, 2005, when they sold a total of 193.

Thank you for the info. Very helpful.

Quoting Magyarorszag (Reply 6):
Go to the link below, and on the left, under "Key Documents" click on O&D 1974-2005. This will open an Excel document that will I think provide you the answer to your question.

http://www.airbus.com/en/corporate/orders_and_deliveries/

Cheers.

Thank you for the link. I didn't even know that it existed.  Smile

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 7):
Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
Would anyone happen to know what was the largest number of A330/A340 ordered in a single year?

1989: 188 (A330 = 107; A340 = 81)

2000: 130 (A330 = 110; A340 = 20)

Thank you Leelaw.

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Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:04 am

Quoting Magyarorszag (Reply 6):
Go to the link below, and on the left, under "Key Documents" click on O&D 1974-2005. This will open an Excel document that will I think provide you the answer to your question.

Thanks also, here is one person who needs lessons in reading websites from you. I had seen that a few times and thought O&D cannot be interesting - WRONG! What a fascinating set of tables. Airbus so small in deliveries until quite recently and re the A330, the early 90s were not exactly happy hour after the first flush of orders. Puts the A380 slow down in a bit of context. History usually turns out to be amazing.
 
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RE: Airbus A330/A340 2006 Best Year?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:07 am

Quoting WINGS (Reply 8):
Thank you for the link. I didn't even know that it existed.

Hopefully Airbus will soon follow Boeing's example and make both current and historical "sales" (Orders/Deliveries by year, model, customer, etc) information easily searchable and compilable at the direction of the online user.
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RE: Airbus A330/A340 2006 Best Year?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:30 am

Both Boeing's and Airbus' perceived "dead ducks" had a good 2006. The 747 had her best year since 2000 (even if the majority were freighters) and even the "old dog" 767 scored another year's plus worth of production. The only Boeing model that had a bad year was the 777-200ER, with a single sale.

And to think next year could be even better for the A330 (when you add freighters), 777 and 787...  Wow!
 
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:38 am

Quoting WINGS (Reply 8):
Thank you for the link. I didn't even know that it existed.



Quoting Baroque (Reply 9):
Thanks also, here is one person who needs lessons in reading websites from you.

You are welcome!  Smile
 
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RE: Airbus A330/A340 2006 Best Year?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:43 am

Quoting WINGS (Reply 2):
This also brings the grand total of A330/A340 ordered in 2006 to 98 frames. Indeed an extraordinary achievement.

What's extraordinary about it?
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RE: Airbus A330/A340 2006 Best Year?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:31 am

Quoting BoomBoom (Reply 13):
What's extraordinary about it?

With many Boeing aficionados loudly proclaiming both families are doomed in the face of the 777 and 787, I imagine some found it extraordinary Airbus found buyers for almost 100 of them.  Smile

Just as with many Airbus aficionados loudly proclaiming the 747 and 777 are doomed in the face of the A380 and A350X, I imagine some also found it extraordinary Boeing found buyers for 148 of them.  Smile
 
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RE: Airbus A330/A340 2006 Best Year?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:34 am

Quoting BoomBoom (Reply 13):

What's extraordinary about it?

Well I'm sure you won't find it extraordinary, but don't forget that the A330 is battling head on with the B767/B787/B772 and A350X.

How many orders did the B777-200ER gather this year BoomBoom? Not many. Why do you think that is? Maybe airlines have realised that operating the A333 vs the B772ER may have an advantage within some routes.

I will once again reaffirm my position and say without a doubt that this is truly an amazing year for the A330/A340 and in particular for the A332.

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RE: Airbus A330/A340 2006 Best Year?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 4:16 am

Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
AIRBUS A340-300 ... FINNAIR X 3



Quoting Stitch (Reply 11):
The only Boeing model that had a bad year was the 777-200ER, with a single sale.

WOW, the good old A340-300 outsold the 777-200ER three to one. Nobody has predicted that  duck 

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RE: Airbus A330/A340 2006 Best Year?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 4:23 am

Quoting A350 (Reply 16):
WOW, the good old A340-300 outsold the 777-200ER three to one. Nobody has predicted that

Yes, but the A340-300 has no successor aircraft available from that manufacturer until 2013 or 2014 or whatever it is, the 777-200ER has a successor aircraft (the 777-200LR) available on the same schedule; eg. you could order an ER or LR and receive the same delivery slot. Many of the customers that might have bought the -200ER have either gone for the -200LR, or perhaps the 787-9 (or are even waiting for the 787-10.)
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 4:27 am

Also, many airlines are "scaling up" to the 773ER and A346 rather then take additional 772ERs and A343s.
 
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RE: Airbus A330/A340 2006 Best Year?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 4:29 am

Quoting WINGS (Reply 15):
I will once again reaffirm my position and say without a doubt that this is truly an amazing year for the A330/A340 and in particular for the A332.

It could be. However, I am a realist by nature, so despite my running "Pending" column, I prefer to count what's in my hand, not what's in the bush. . .

With that in mind, this is the year the A330/340 line has had from January thru November, the only firm data publically available:

A330-200
Aer Lingus - 1
Afriqiyah Airlines - 3
Airbus Corporate Jets - 1
Air Mauritius - 1
CIT Group - 10
I.L.F.C. - 3
Qantas - 2
TAM - 6

Total - 27

A330-300
Aer Lingus - 1
Air Caraibes - 1
Lufthansa - 5

Total - 7

A340-300
Finnair - 3

Total - 3

A340-500
Kingfisher Airlines - 5

Total - 5

Gross for family - 42
Cancellations - 4 (TAP - 2 A332, ILFC - 2 A346)
Net for family - 38


Now, we can assume from the wording of recent press releases and related information that the following have also been firmed up in December:

AerCap - 20 A330-200
Lufthansa - 7 A340-600
Pegasus Aviation - 6 A330-200
Qantas - 4 A330-200
Singapore - 19 A330-300

But we will have to see on January 17 if this is indeed the case. If it is, I find it extraordinary that Airbus sold nearly twice as many of these aircraft in December than they did in all the rest of the year combined.

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RE: Airbus A330/A340 2006 Best Year?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 4:30 am

Quoting WINGS (Reply 15):
How many orders did the B777-200ER gather this year BoomBoom? Not many.

I will once again reaffirm my position and say without a doubt that this is truly an amazing year for the A330/A340 and in particular for the A332.

Once again you have to combine the A330 and A340 to achieve respectable numbers.

Then you have to parse out the 777-200ER from the 777 family to make it look bad.

And you won't dare combine 777 and 787 sales so I will do it for you: 233.
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RE: Airbus A330/A340 2006 Best Year?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 4:39 am

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 19):
But we will have to see on January 17 if this is indeed the case. If it is, I find it extraordinary that Airbus sold nearly twice as many of these aircraft in December than they did in all the rest of the year combined.

December is when the pressure to seal the deals is most as the companies want to get them "in the books". For example, Boeing confirmed 212 orders in December of 2006 and 201 in December of 2005. However, the majority of Boeing's widebody orders in all four families (747 / 767 / 777 / 787) were signed prior to December.

Also, I believe many of these orders (like SQ's and LH's) were not announced until December.  Wink
 
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RE: Airbus A330/A340 2006 Best Year?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 5:42 am

Quoting WINGS (Reply 15):
I will once again reaffirm my position and say without a doubt that this is truly an amazing year for the A330/A340 and in particular for the A332.

It got a lot of help from the A380!
 
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 6:02 am

Quoting M27 (Reply 22):
(The A332) got a lot of help from the A380!

Actually, the A333 benefited more from the A388's issues, as SQ's and LH's A333s total 24 while QF's A332s total only 4.  Wink

That being said, while no doubt the A388's compensation payments helped make the A333's purchase price more attractive, the A333's list price is lower then the 772ER's to begin with and if you don't need the extra 2500nm or so the 772ER offers over the A333, it makes sense that airlines like QF and LH that already operate the A330 family to add-on and for an operator like SQ to choose the A333 rather then add-on additional 772ERs.

Also, one must not forget that unless those three airlines needed those planes they would not have bought them, even if Airbus was offering them a few tens of millions extra in discounts/offsets (maintenance, training, etc.) on each.

The whole thing just truly strikes me as "making lemons out of lemonade".

Now if only Boeing could have sold 767s or 777s to 737 operators back in the late 1990's when their 737 production line was SNAFUD up the bum.  duck 
 
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RE: Airbus A330/A340 2006 Best Year?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 6:15 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 14):
Just as with many Airbus aficionados loudly proclaiming the 747 and 777 are doomed in the face of the A380 and A350X, I imagine some also found it extraordinary Boeing found buyers for 148 of them.

Last time I checked, the 787 was going against the A350X, so you might want to add it to your total. I'll do it for you 233, 305 if you include the 747. Now that is truly unbelievable.

Quoting A350 (Reply 16):
WOW, the good old A340-300 outsold the 777-200ER three to one. Nobody has predicted that

Wow that gold old 777 family outsold the A340 family 5 to 1  box 

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 5):
Not forgetting that Airbus's best widebody year so far was, to many people's surprise, 2005, when they sold a total of 193.

That total includes the "old" A350, which never existed, and will not exist.

Quoting M27 (Reply 22):
I will once again reaffirm my position and say without a doubt that this is truly an amazing year for the A330/A340 and in particular for the A332.

It got a lot of help from the A380!

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RE: Airbus A330/A340 2006 Best Year?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 6:18 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 23):
Actually, the A333 benefited more from the A388's issues, as SQ's and LH's A333s total 24 while QF's A332s total only 4.

I thought we were speeking of family. You know A332-A346. Count em all as the same thing.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 23):
That being said, while no doubt the A388's compensation payments helped make the A333's purchase price more attractive, the A333's list price is lower then the 772ER's to begin with and if you don't need the extra 2500nm or so the 772ER offers over the A333, it makes sense that airlines like QF and LH that already operate the A330 family to add-on and for an operator like SQ to choose the A333 rather then add-on additional 772ERs.

Would they have bought them in the first place if not for the A380?

Quoting Stitch (Reply 23):
Also, one must not forget that unless those three airlines needed those planes they would not have bought them

Thats sort of what I mean!!!

Quoting Stitch (Reply 23):
The whole thing just truly strikes me as "making lemons out of lemonade".

I assume you mean lemonade out of lemons, and if so, then-
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RE: Airbus A330/A340 2006 Best Year?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 12:15 pm

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 19):
A330-200
Aer Lingus - 1
Afriqiyah Airlines - 3
Airbus Corporate Jets - 1
Air Mauritius - 1
CIT Group - 10
I.L.F.C. - 3
Qantas - 2
TAM - 6

Total - 27

Hi all, You can add Jet airways 8 332 in thr.

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Sat Jan 06, 2007 12:22 pm

Quoting MERLIN (Reply 26):
Hi all, You can add Jet airways 8 332 in thr.

Jet Airways ordered the A330 in 2005 IIRC. They do have some options. Did they convert any?
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 12:26 pm

Quoting MERLIN (Reply 26):
You can add Jet airways 8 332 in thr.

Ummmmm. . . no, you can't. As Manni quite correctly pointed out, Jet signed their contract for 10 A330-200's in 2005, not 2006. And no, so far they have not converted any options.

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Sat Jan 06, 2007 12:27 pm

Quoting Manni (Reply 27):
Jet Airways ordered the A330 in 2005 IIRC. They do have some options. Did they convert any?

Sry about tht. dun knw bout conversions but yeah they are goin in for some 787's..

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Sat Jan 06, 2007 6:06 pm

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 19):

It could be. However, I am a realist by nature, so despite my running "Pending" column, I prefer to count what's in my hand, not what's in the bush. . .

With that in mind, this is the year the A330/340 line has had from January thru November, the only firm data publically available:

Hi Hamlet, I agree that it is still too premature to gather any concrete conclusions, But I believe it's rather safe to say that SQ,LH,QF,PEGASUS, and Aercap have all signed firm orders in the last month.

Quoting BoomBoom (Reply 20):
Once again you have to combine the A330 and A340 to achieve respectable numbers.

Him BoomBoom, I don't have to combine anything BoomBoom. If one is to just look at the sales of the A330's then one gets a total of 81 frames.

This makes 2006 the third best year in terms of sales for the A330 series. But hey nothing extraordinary about that.

Quoting BoomBoom (Reply 20):
Then you have to parse out the 777-200ER from the 777 family to make it look bad.

What's wrong BoomBoom? Don't like to play your own games? Well the reality is that the B777-200ER closest rival the A340-300X outsold it 3-1.

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Sat Jan 06, 2007 7:24 pm

Quoting WINGS (Reply 31):
Well the reality is that the B777-200ER closest rival the A340-300X outsold it 3-1

Didn't Air Mauritius switch some A340 orders to A330 orders?
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 7:36 pm

Quoting Blsbls99 (Reply 32):
Didn't Air Mauritius switch some A340 orders to A330 orders?

That's correct Blsbls, Air Mauritius did in fact switch one A343 into an A332, and they also converted one of their options into 1 A332.

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Sat Jan 06, 2007 7:52 pm

Quoting WINGS (Reply 33):
That's correct Blsbls, Air Mauritius did in fact switch one A343 into an A332, and they also converted one of their options into 1 A332

Is that reflected in any of the totals above? Shouldn't Air Mauritius have +2 A332s in the total, and -1 A343s in the total?
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 8:56 pm

It's good that Airbus sold as many A330s and A340s as it could in 2006. But when the B787 comes out, these airplanes will begin to look like yesterday's news.

Airbus needs to haul ass and bring out the A350 ASAP, in order to remain competitive.

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Sat Jan 06, 2007 9:07 pm

Quoting N328KF (Reply 17):
Yes, but the A340-300 has no successor aircraft available from that manufacturer until 2013 or 2014 or whatever it is, the 777-200ER has a successor aircraft (the 777-200LR

The 777-200LR is not the successor of the 777-200ER. They are aimed at a different market.
The 777-200ER competes with the A340-300/A330-300 while the 777-200LR is ultra-long range aircraft that competes with the A340-500.
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 9:43 pm

Any estimates of how many 330s there will be (might be) before the line closes, allowing for the Fs? It looks like being some hundreds in which case surely the much argued about improved version must become more attractive especially as newer engines become available? A lighter wing might not hurt either and what about the construction of the fuselage?

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Sat Jan 06, 2007 10:20 pm

Quoting Baroque (Reply 37):
Any estimates of how many 330s there will be (might be) before the line closes, allowing for the Fs?

Well, they've already passed the 600 mark so it seems likely that 700 is in sight with A330Fs and A330 Tankers still to come. 800? Who knows but I wouldn't rule it out. The A300F has continued to sell long after the A330 was launched. It seems credible that the A330F will sell for another decade or so.
 
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 10:59 pm

Quoting PM (Reply 38):
It seems credible that the A330F will sell for another decade or so.

Between tankers and Fs and a few more compensatory orders, if they keep building the 330 about the 2003 rate of 31 for ten more years that would put the total at er no, I dare not multiply 31 by 10 and add it to 600+ !! I might get a four figure number.
 
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RE: Airbus A330/A340 2006 Best Year?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 11:07 pm

Quoting PM (Reply 38):
Well, they've already passed the 600 mark so it seems likely that 700 is in sight

Indeed.

Quoting PM (Reply 38):
The A300F has continued to sell long after the A330 was launched.

Largely helped by large orders by FX (launch customer with 36) and 5X (66 orders + 9 options).

Quoting Baroque (Reply 39):
that would put the total at er no, I dare not multiply 31 by 10 and add it to 600+ !! I might get a four figure number.

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[Edited 2007-01-06 15:11:26]
 
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RE: Airbus A330/A340 2006 Best Year?

Sun Jan 07, 2007 12:13 am

Quoting Baroque (Reply 37):
Any estimates of how many 330s there will be (might be) before the line closes, allowing for the Fs?

If we include the A330s that are ordered in december and made public, the total could be about 643 orders.

Wings posted commitments and rumours for another 62 A330s.

Austrian's A330s have, reportedly, been looked at by 35 airlines. So the demand is certainly present, leasing companies have noticed that aswell. AerCap ordered 20 and Pegasus 6, in december.

The freighter version is, according to an Airbus employee posting on this site, going to be announced in the near future with a sizeable launch order from more than one airline. Atleast one customer was ready to make an announcement at Farnborough for 30 aircraft.

I guess we'll see atleast 1000 orders for the A330, a lot more if the USAF decides to order the A330MRT.
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RE: Airbus A330/A340 2006 Best Year?

Sun Jan 07, 2007 12:51 am

Quoting Columba (Reply 36):
The 777-200LR is not the successor of the 777-200ER. They are aimed at a different market.

Actually it is. Remember that the 772LR offers more then just sheer range. It can carry a 772ER's MZFW payload much farther then a 772ER can. So for airlines flying long east-bound runs with 772ERs that are forced to limit their payload due to prevailing winds no longer have to if they fly a 772LR. This is why DL, for example, has converted their 10 772ER options to 772LRs, instead, so they can fly at max payload on missions like ATL-BOM. Also, for stage lengths greater then 2000nm, a 772LR is more efficient then a 772ER.

The same also applies to the 772LR vis-a-vis the A343 and A345, so it is a "successor" to them, as well, in a way.
 
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RE: Airbus A330/A340 2006 Best Year?

Sun Jan 07, 2007 1:53 am

Quoting WINGS (Reply 31):
If one is to just look at the sales of the A330's then one gets a total of 81 frames.

If one looks at the sales of the 787 then one gets a total of 157.
Nothing extraordinary here, just business as usual.  biggrin 

Quoting WINGS (Reply 31):
Don't like to play your own games? Well the reality is that the B777-200ER closest rival the A340-300X outsold it 3-1.

I'm glad you admit you are playing games.
However, you neglect to mention the 777 outsold the A340 10 to 1 last year.
An inadvertent oversight on your part, I'm sure. Yeah sure
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RE: Airbus A330/A340 2006 Best Year?

Sun Jan 07, 2007 8:02 am

Quoting WINGS (Reply 30):
What's wrong BoomBoom? Don't like to play your own games? Well the reality is that the B777-200ER closest rival the A340-300X outsold it 3-1.

Sure, but how many of EACH type (772ER A343) are in service?
 
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RE: Airbus A330/A340 2006 Best Year?

Mon Jan 08, 2007 5:53 pm

Quoting BoomBoom (Reply 42):
Quoting WINGS (Reply 31):
If one is to just look at the sales of the A330's then one gets a total of 81 frames.

If one looks at the sales of the 787 then one gets a total of 157.
Nothing extraordinary here, just business as usual. biggrin

Good try BoomBoom, but not good enough. Why compare an upcoming model to those already in existence?

Quoting BoomBoom (Reply 42):

I'm glad you admit you are playing games.
However, you neglect to mention the 777 outsold the A340 10 to 1 last year.
An inadvertent oversight on your part, I'm sure.

Yes we are playing your games. But it seems that that you are not enjoying yourself.  Sad

Quoting Thebry (Reply 43):

Sure, but how many of EACH type (772ER A343) are in service?

To be honest I'm not very sure. I know that Airbus have sold 246 frames for the A340-200/300. Maybe you would be kind enough to point out those figure for us.

Do note that the A333 does also compete to an extent with the B772.

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RE: Airbus A330/A340 2006 Best Year?

Mon Jan 08, 2007 8:40 pm

New A330/A340 Totals For 2006:

Group Marsans confirms firm order for 12 A332's + 10 options.

The list below shows 2 frames (A332) for Qantas that was not listed in the beginning.

A332 x 69 frames
A333 x 26 frames
A343 x 3 frames
A345 x 5 frames
A346 x 7 frames

Grand Total: 110 Frames


PS: I suspect that this will not be the last announcement for today.  Smile

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RE: Airbus A330/A340 2006 Best Year?

Tue Jan 09, 2007 7:08 am

What this shows, is that aircraft don't become immediately obsolescent, just because a rival has launched some thing better. Fleet commonality, availablity, and conservativeness can all be important factors.
For example, lots of 737 Classics and MD80s/90s were sold after the A320 was ordered. Indeed, BA ordered 734s instead of the A320 before changing their mind several years later...

Talking of BA, it is worth noting that their interim order will be between the A330 and the 777-200ER, not the 200LR or 300ER as everyone expected, so the 772ER may have a bit more life left in it! The fact that it is significantly cheaper than the 772LR is not insignificant...
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RE: Airbus A330/A340 2006 Best Year?

Tue Jan 09, 2007 8:27 am

Doesn't matter how you spin this... Airbus A330 is selling very well BUT this is not going to last to much longer. The A350 needs to be Airbus answer to the new product offerings by Boeing. has it been?

Right now, maybe someone out there can explain as to why... but the A350 is not faring too well and this concerns me as it should with Airbus. Something is not right here... with all those grandious statements that its 30% more efficient has not produced any significant firm orders????

Airbus has still not signed on all the original A350 customers and does not have a solid grip on any new customers to validate the model. This is very concerning...

Hopefully 2007 is the year for Airbus to gain confidence into its future.

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RE: Airbus A330/A340 2006 Best Year?

Tue Jan 09, 2007 8:42 am

Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
With just a few more days to go before Airbus reveals it's order total for 2006, I think that we can conclude that 2006 was in fact an extraordinary year for the A330/A340 family, in particular for the A332.

I must be looking at dramatically different data then you have been.

It's been a disasterous year for the 340, much better for the 330, but still not as strong as many of the years before. This despite the fact that the industry is at the top of the ordering cycle, rather then the bottom.

Quoting PM (Reply 37):

Well, they've already passed the 600 mark so it seems likely that 700 is in sight with A330Fs and A330 Tankers still to come. 800? Who knows but I wouldn't rule it out. The A300F has continued to sell long after the A330 was launched. It seems credible that the A330F will sell for another decade or so.

Rumor mill is pretty constant that Airbus is re-examining keeping the 300 around for a while rather then the 330F because of customer preference issues, and shortages caused by the 380 debacle, and the 6th redesign (or was it 7th?) of the A350 (350XWB v2). The tanker issue is another matter, but with the military looking at 777 versus 330, there might be a very different outcome here then what was expected last year. Especially given that the Democratic congress is much more likely to be protectionist.
 
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RE: Airbus A330/A340 2006 Best Year?

Tue Jan 09, 2007 8:58 am

Quoting AirFrnt (Reply 49):
(350XWB v2).

Theres a second version of the XWB?