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BA Announce Long Haul Increases

Sat Jan 06, 2007 4:48 am

British Airways has annouced that it will upgrade Barbados and Beijing services from March.


Beijing - Increase from 6x Weekly to Daily weekly 777-200ER from LHR

Barbados - Increase from 9x to 10x Weekly 777-200ER from LGW


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PEK will be upgraded from 30th March
BGI will be upgraded from 28th March

Sorry if this has been posted before.

In March BAH/DOH will also be upgraded to the 744:
http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/3069134

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RE: BA Announce Long Haul Increases

Sat Jan 06, 2007 5:27 am

I'm guessing the BGI upgrade is to facilitate the 3x weekly extensions of the flight to POS!!!
Can't wait!


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RE: BA Announce Long Haul Increases

Sat Jan 06, 2007 7:49 am

Quoting B742 (Thread starter):
PEK will be upgraded from 30th March

Annoying. I want to travel from PEK to LHR on the last Saturday before then and there is no flight because it is 6 weekly!
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RE: BA Announce Long Haul Increases

Sat Jan 06, 2007 7:42 pm

I do like all the BA expansion at the moment, but where are they getting the a/c hours? Are they cutting back on other flights?
 
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RE: BA Announce Long Haul Increases

Sat Jan 06, 2007 10:42 pm

Quoting BA787 (Reply 3):
I do like all the BA expansion at the moment, but where are they getting the a/c hours? Are they cutting back on other flights?

No, they are getting better utilization from their existing aircraft. This can't go on for much longer though without getting new aircraft.
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RE: BA Announce Long Haul Increases

Sat Jan 06, 2007 10:45 pm

Shame LHR-ACC is not upgraded to a 777/747
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RE: BA Announce Long Haul Increases

Sat Jan 06, 2007 11:09 pm

Quoting Geo772 (Reply 4):
No, they are getting better utilization from their existing aircraft. This can't go on for much longer though without getting new aircraft.

Actually, there is quite some utilization left in the existing fleet to allow for some more frequency reinforcements. BA's widebody utilization rates are at the lower end of idnsutry averages for sure when the large fleet size is factored in.
 
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RE: BA Announce Long Haul Increases

Sun Jan 07, 2007 2:43 am

LGW-BDA increases from 5x Weekly to Daily again.

The Daily BGI flight is a terminater. The additional 3x Weekly flights are the ones that go on to Port of Spain.

LGW-IAH increases to 13x Weekly (only one flight on Saturday's).

LHR-LAX returns to 3x Daily

LHR-JFK actually sees a recuction, with the daily BA173 reduced from daily to 3x Weekly.

LHR-MEX increases from 3x Weekly to 4x Weekly.

LHR-GRU goes back to Daily from 10x Weekly.
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RE: BA Announce Long Haul Increases

Sun Jan 07, 2007 3:09 am

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 6):
Actually, there is quite some utilization left in the existing fleet to allow for some more frequency reinforcements. BA's widebody utilization rates are at the lower end of idnsutry averages for sure when the large fleet size is factored in.

Definately. BA's 747's currently operate an average of 9.5 sectors per week. The 777's do slightly better at an average of 11 per week, but this includes the BAH-DOH, AUH-MCT and ANU-UVF/TAB/GND flights
 
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RE: BA Announce Long Haul Increases

Sun Jan 07, 2007 5:14 am

Anyone know how LHR-YYC is doing, or is too soon to say?

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RE: BA Announce Long Haul Increases

Sun Jan 07, 2007 5:27 am

Question do you think that with the additional flights to BGI, BA will no longer have to add extra services to BGI during the winter as it currently does?

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RE: BA Announce Long Haul Increases

Sun Jan 07, 2007 5:34 am

Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 7):
LHR-GRU goes back to Daily from 10x Weekly.

And will go back to 10x weekly effective October 28th, 2007.

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RE: BA Announce Long Haul Increases

Sun Jan 07, 2007 5:35 am

I'm surprised BA is reducing the options to JFK, there main route to America. Usually JFK get the goods and another city sacrifices the airplane to JFK. May be this is the "new" Walsh BA. Lets see what happens next?
 
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RE: BA Announce Long Haul Increases

Sun Jan 07, 2007 6:07 am

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 12):
I'm surprised BA is reducing the options to JFK, there main route to America. Usually JFK get the goods and another city sacrifices the airplane to JFK. May be this is the "new" Walsh BA.

How? JFK has just been increased to 55x weekly for the Winter, and goes to 51x weekly during the summer, which is still an increase on last summer (48x weekly)
 
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RE: BA Announce Long Haul Increases

Sun Jan 07, 2007 7:52 am

YYC flights have been going out full the past few days, but so have all the other ones from stations throughout the US.
 
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RE: BA Announce Long Haul Increases

Sun Jan 07, 2007 7:56 am

Any chance BA will add some new cities in the United States (e.g., DTW, MSP, PDX)?
 
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RE: BA Announce Long Haul Increases

Sun Jan 07, 2007 8:00 am

Quoting VC10DC10 (Reply 15):
Any chance BA will add some new cities in the United States (e.g., DTW, MSP, PDX)?

BA flies LHR - DTW - IAH daily.
 
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RE: BA Announce Long Haul Increases

Sun Jan 07, 2007 8:01 am

Quoting VC10DC10 (Reply 15):

Any chance BA will add some new cities in the United States (e.g., DTW, MSP, PDX)?

It's not that simple, as these would have to be operated from LGW due to Bermuda II. I don't think BA has any serious intention of increasing US services out of LGW, wouldn't be worth their while.
 
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RE: BA Announce Long Haul Increases

Sun Jan 07, 2007 8:05 am

Quoting BAStew (Reply 16):

BA flies LHR - DTW - IAH daily.

Wow, that was stupid of me. How could I forget?

By the way, does BA have traffic rights between DTW and IAH? I doubt it, but I thought I just might check.
 
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RE: BA Announce Long Haul Increases

Sun Jan 07, 2007 8:10 am

Quoting VC10DC10 (Reply 18):
By the way, does BA have traffic rights between DTW and IAH? I doubt it, but I thought I just might check.

Nope, no local traffic rights. Under Bermuda II BA can't fly LHR - IAH - LHR direct. So via another US city is the only option. It is mainly for oil execs wanting to fly from Houston to African oil cities via LHR. Omits the need for a long road journey from LGW - LHR if making a connection.
 
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RE: BA Announce Long Haul Increases

Mon Jan 08, 2007 2:28 am

Quoting BAStew (Reply 19):
Quoting VC10DC10 (Reply 18):
By the way, does BA have traffic rights between DTW and IAH? I doubt it, but I thought I just might check.

Nope, no local traffic rights. Under Bermuda II BA can't fly LHR - IAH - LHR direct. So via another US city is the only option. It is mainly for oil execs wanting to fly from Houston to African oil cities via LHR. Omits the need for a long road journey from LGW - LHR if making a connection.

The fact it's on a 767-336ER too is maybe what's helping DTW retain its LHR service, as I'd imagine a significant proportion of these Club World and World Traveller Plus seats are filled with passengers from IAH. I don't believe BA would operate such a tag-on for low yield economy passengers if the premium traffic wasn't there, whilst using its smallest longhaul aircraft (24 Club, 24 WT+) suggests DTW is mainly filling the back cabin.

I notice IAD remains twice daily after dropping from 3x Daily at the end of last summer. Again, maybe a way for BA to boost numbers on the BWI flight.
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RE: BA Announce Long Haul Increases

Mon Jan 08, 2007 2:32 am

They are intending to keep the MAN - JFK service then, what with BACON being sold off?
 
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RE: BA Announce Long Haul Increases

Mon Jan 08, 2007 2:39 am

MAN-JFK was a BACon service and there is is a very remote possilbility that someone may decide to add a million quid or so profit per year to the LCY RJ100 operation (registered office still in Didsbury!) but it will probably end up contributing to mainline profits.
 
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RE: BA Announce Long Haul Increases

Mon Jan 08, 2007 3:28 am

Quoting Geo772 (Reply 4):

That makes ense, I was beginnign to wondering how they do it. Why are BA reducing the JFK routes? I know its an obvious question but I always assumed BA made their money on the JFK runs. Is it just that more money can be made elsewhere
 
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RE: BA Announce Long Haul Increases

Mon Jan 08, 2007 3:56 am

Quoting BA787 (Reply 23):
That makes ense, I was beginnign to wondering how they do it. Why are BA reducing the JFK routes? I know its an obvious question but I always assumed BA made their money on the JFK runs. Is it just that more money can be made elsewhere

They're not, read reply 13.
 
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RE: BA Announce Long Haul Increases

Mon Jan 08, 2007 4:18 am

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 24):
They're not, read reply 13.

Sorry, I skimmed through the thread following the JFK thing.
 
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RE: BA Announce Long Haul Increases

Mon Jan 08, 2007 4:30 am

Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 20):
The fact it's on a 767-336ER too is maybe what's helping DTW retain its LHR service, as I'd imagine a significant proportion of these Club World and World Traveller Plus seats are filled with passengers from IAH. I don't believe BA would operate such a tag-on for low yield economy passengers if the premium traffic wasn't there, whilst using its smallest longhaul aircraft (24 Club, 24 WT+) suggests DTW is mainly filling the back cabin.

Spot on. Most of the IAH - DTW pax are in Club/WT+ although the loads on the domestic sector do seem to be quite light in general. Obviously the LHR - IAH flight is not very marketable in terms of O&D passengers. Why fly LHR via DTW when you can fly direct on multiple BA/CO flights from LGW? Add to that the complexities that a LHR-IAH passenger faces with US immigration (must clear in DTW en-route to IAH and must remain on the aircraft IAH - LHR) and it isn't really a joy to travel on.

Many BA staff have written letters to BA News questioning the viability of the IAH tag-on but the reply has always been that the LHR - IAH route is an important component of the BA route network.
 
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RE: BA Announce Long Haul Increases

Wed Jan 17, 2007 2:09 am

Quoting GayrugbyMAN (Reply 21):
They are intending to keep the MAN - JFK service then

At the moment it seems that way... but, just like any other route BA operate, if it ever becomes unprofitable, they will axe it.
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RE: BA Announce Long Haul Increases

Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:18 am

Quoting BAStew (Reply 16):
BA flies LHR - DTW - IAH daily.

Do they still run an LHR-ORD-IAH, or did DTW replace ORD?
 
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RE: BA Announce Long Haul Increases

Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:32 am

Quoting SW733 (Reply 28):
Do they still run an LHR-ORD-IAH, or did DTW replace ORD?

LHR-DTW-IAH and back replaced LHR-ORD-IAH.

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RE: BA Announce Long Haul Increases

Wed Jan 17, 2007 4:17 am

Quoting VC10DC10 (Reply 15):
Any chance BA will add some new cities in the United States (e.g., DTW, MSP, PDX)?

...SAN?

(...pretty please...one more chance...we promise it'll work this time...)

If BA can do IAH as a tag-on, then.... I know, you've heard it all before.

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RE: BA Announce Long Haul Increases

Wed Jan 17, 2007 4:25 am

Quoting Star_world (Reply 17):
Quoting VC10DC10 (Reply 15):

Any chance BA will add some new cities in the United States (e.g., DTW, MSP, PDX)?

It's not that simple, as these would have to be operated from LGW due to Bermuda II. I don't think BA has any serious intention of increasing US services out of LGW, wouldn't be worth their while.

They're already at DTW, and since any additions would have to be out of LGW, MSP won't work because NW is already covering it daily with an A333 from their hub at MSP. As for PDX, i'm not sure if there is demand there for a PDX-LGW flight.

If BA could do a LHR-MSP flight, on a 763 say, that could do something for them, but that's not really on the table it seems.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 30):
Quoting VC10DC10 (Reply 15):
Any chance BA will add some new cities in the United States (e.g., DTW, MSP, PDX)?

...SAN?

(...pretty please...one more chance...we promise it'll work this time...)

If BA can do IAH as a tag-on, then.... I know, you've heard it all before.

Can the 763ER make it to san from London fully loaded and with winds?
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RE: BA Announce Long Haul Increases

Wed Jan 17, 2007 4:28 am

Had a friend who flew YYC-LHR-YYC on the BA flight.It was full on the way out and he said about 3/4 full back.I would assume that means its doing well...Wonder if AC has been seeing load changes since this route started???
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RE: BA Announce Long Haul Increases

Wed Jan 17, 2007 4:41 am

Quoting Wolsingerjet (Reply 32):
Had a friend who flew YYC-LHR-YYC on the BA flight

Talk about a great flight to tag a SAN-leg onto! Ever since I saw the announced BA service to YYC, and given the open-air US-CA agreement, it seemed a perfect way for SAN to get BA back (to LHR) plus a great local traffic opportunity for a new Canadian destination!

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 31):
Can the 763ER make it to SAN from London fully loaded and with winds?

I don't know but I bet someone here can answer that question.

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RE: BA Announce Long Haul Increases

Wed Jan 17, 2007 6:43 am

Quoting Wolsingerjet (Reply 32):
Wonder if AC has been seeing load changes since this route started???

Not really.

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RE: BA Announce Long Haul Increases

Wed Jan 17, 2007 6:49 am

I see AC will also go double daily YYC-LHR again this upcoming summer on a seasonal basis.This is when this should get interesting on the YYC-LHR route.AC also moves its YEG-LHR flight to daily in april.
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RE: BA Announce Long Haul Increases

Wed Jan 17, 2007 8:01 am

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 31):
Can the 763ER make it to san from London fully loaded and with winds?

BA 767s flew MAN-LAX which may have been the longesrt 767 route operated by them (about 4600 nautical miles) ? Admittedly not fully loaded though  Wink LHR-SAN is another 150 nautical miles on top of that.
 
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RE: BA Announce Long Haul Increases

Wed Jan 17, 2007 8:08 am

Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 7):
LHR-MEX increases from 3x Weekly to 4x Weekly.

BA still won't be competitive with KL, AF, LH, IB and AM who all have daily Europe-MEX service (more than daily for IB and AM). BA have lost a business class GVA-LHR-MEX round trip from me twice in the past 2 years, including this coming weekend, due to their less than daily service. I have to be in MEX on business Mon-Fri next week. Their current Mon/Wed/Fri service both ways doesn't work. I would have preferred BA's flat bed Club World seats which are just enough to offset the hassles of connecting at LHR.

I used KL the last time and KL is getting my business again this time thanks to their daily service, which is also useful when you aren't sure how long a meeting will last and you may want to rebook to return a day or two early. (BA also lost my business to KL on a trip to BKK 6 weeks ago, not because they aren't daily to BKK but because they were full.)

However with the recent BA cabin crew strike threat, I would be nervous being booked on BA now so it's probably for the best!

Assume BA's infrequent MEX service (must be the lowest frequency of all their destinations in North America) is related to it not being a prime high yield business traffic market. But with less than daily service they won't get their fair share of whatever traffic does exist. Even LHR-YYC started with 5 a week.
 
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RE: BA Announce Long Haul Increases

Wed Jan 17, 2007 8:14 am

Quoting David_itl (Reply 22):
MAN-JFK was a BACon service

I was under the impression that this was a mainline service, and not BAcon. I know that BAcon FA's are used, or thats what other threads on here have stated. However the MAN-JFK service operates under a 'Speedbird' call sign.
 
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RE: BA Announce Long Haul Increases

Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:47 am

Quoting Geo772 (Reply 4):
they are getting better utilization from their existing aircraft.

Will BA longhaul flights be more prone to knock-on delays now?
 
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RE: BA Announce Long Haul Increases

Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:43 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 37):
Assume BA's infrequent MEX service (must be the lowest frequency of all their destinations in North America) is related to it not being a prime high yield business traffic market.

I believe it has something to do with the Mexico-UK bilateral. I know BA would love to serve MEX more (the flights are always full) but something about Mexican airlines not having access to LHR or something restricts them. Maybe one of our Mexican or British members would have more info regarding that but if I recall the lack of BA service is not by their design.

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RE: BA Announce Long Haul Increases

Wed Jan 17, 2007 10:53 pm

Quoting B742 (Thread starter):

In March BAH/DOH will also be upgraded to the 744:
http://www.airliners.net/discussions...69134

Do you think there is enough demand to satisfy a non-stop route to DOH? It seems that its pretty much close to fully booked year-round from DOH.
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RE: BA Announce Long Haul Increases

Thu Jan 18, 2007 1:30 am

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 24):
They're not, read reply 13

They are. They are reducing frm 55 x weekly to 51 x weekly, that is a reduction!
 
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RE: BA Announce Long Haul Increases

Thu Jan 18, 2007 4:09 am

Quoting BigOrange (Reply 42):
They are. They are reducing frm 55 x weekly to 51 x weekly, that is a reduction!

Yes, it's a seasonal reduction. However, against the same time period last year, it's an increase.

Aside from anything, the Winter-Summer reduction is only around 400 seats a week, as more services are upgraded to 747 service. Business class seats are only reduced by 5 seats per day.

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