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Avianca Selects The B-787

Sat Jan 06, 2007 10:41 am

I am basing my statement on the screen saver on the computers at Avianca's VIP room at BOG.

Take a look at the images:











I don't have any confirmed information about the short-mid range aircrafts, but the rumour is still the same, (A-320's).

I posted tons of pictures on my trip report BOG - MIA in Avianca.

Avianca BOG-MIA On J (Many Pics) (by RICARIZA Jan 5 2007 in Trip Reports)

Also, when the flight departed I saw 4 or 5 Wayra Peru F-100s on hangars near BOG, are they going to be used by AV?

[Edited 2007-01-06 02:43:00]
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RE: Avianca Selects The B-787

Sat Jan 06, 2007 11:58 am

I want more proof! Very misleading title.

But it does look really good AV colors. Great bird and wingflex.

[Edited 2007-01-06 03:59:43]
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RE: Avianca Selects The B-787

Sat Jan 06, 2007 6:49 pm

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 1):
I want more proof! Very misleading title.

hey, with all respect i think its ovbious. I know its only a screensaver but anyhoy its displayed on AV's VIP launge, what more proofs do you need??? as easy as 1+1=2.

in my personal opinion the tittle fits great.

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 1):
But it does look really good AV colors. Great bird and wingflex.

i agree.


good election by AV going for the "Dreamliner" but i hope they pick Boeing for the short-mid range.

BTW RICARIZA well done on that trip report.

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RE: Avianca Selects The B-787

Sat Jan 06, 2007 7:13 pm

Yes I doubt that they would have this on their PC's if they were not going to be operating it unless some passenger downloaded the screensaver from the boeing site or something .
 
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RE: Avianca Selects The B-787

Sat Jan 06, 2007 8:29 pm

Quoting MATURRO727 (Reply 2):
BTW RICARIZA well done on that trip report.

Thanks!

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 1):
Very misleading title.

Ahh come on, do you think they would have a screen saver for anyone to see if it wasn't confirmed?
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RE: Avianca Selects The B-787

Sat Jan 06, 2007 8:37 pm

Next to Boeing's own Dreamliner, this is probably the best looking 787! Can't wait to see it in GRU  Smile A smart move by Avianca!
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RE: Avianca Selects The B-787

Sat Jan 06, 2007 9:40 pm

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 1):
But it does look really good AV colors. Great bird and wingflex.

I agree!

Quoting MATURRO727 (Reply 2):
ts displayed on AV's VIP launge

Someone needs to tidy up that mess of wires especially if the computers are set up in the VIP lounge!  Smile

But still more good news for the 787 if true.
 
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RE: Avianca Selects The B-787

Sun Jan 07, 2007 2:53 am

Boeing had the upper hand with respect to AV's widebody order all the time, mainly because of the time factor; AV cannot possibly wait until the A350XWB enters service, and the A330/A340 as a bridge airliner is not such a smart solution, especially because the first deliveries of the 787 are not so far away. It is only a matter of when, not if, that an official announcement is made.

As for new short haul aircraft, there have been many insistent rumors that the A32X family will be chosen by AV. I would not be surprised if AV indeed has chosen Airbus.
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RE: Avianca Selects The B-787

Sun Jan 07, 2007 3:17 am

I remember some time ago the CEO i think from AV said that the Dreamliner was a certainty in their fleet and made more sense when replacing their 767 fleet than airbus' A350 (old version). I think it is a matter of when and not if- similar to AA and the 787!! Gerald Aprey has said that the 787 is the a/c for AA and so it is when and not if!

Hope to see some official confirmation soon and a firm order placed within this half of '07. Slots are being filled quickly and with at least one US major likely to place some orders this year- possibly AA or UA and other potential customers like EK, BA or LH likely to announce a decision by July, AV better hurry or else 2014 will be the only available time frame for the Dreamliner.

I must say, Boeing really does have a winner here. The Dreamliner is surely a 'dream come true'!

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RE: Avianca Selects The B-787

Sun Jan 07, 2007 6:27 am

Quoting MATURRO727 (Reply 2):
hey, with all respect i think its ovbious. I know its only a screensaver but anyhoy its displayed on AV's VIP launge, what more proofs do you need??? as easy as 1+1=2.

It is easy as 1+1=2, but it is still not a official source. Remember that on here we need sources.

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 4):
Ahh come on, do you think they would have a screen saver for anyone to see if it wasn't confirmed?

There is a 99% chance of AV getting the 787. But having a screensaver with a 787 on it does not require a statement like this:

Avianca Selects The B-787 because the screensaver at their VIP room says so.
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RE: Avianca Selects The B-787

Sun Jan 07, 2007 9:18 am

Very interesting!

Can anyone confirm this news?
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RE: Avianca Selects The B-787

Sun Jan 07, 2007 9:39 am

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 9):
Avianca Selects The B-787 because the screensaver at their VIP room says so.

i must admit you have a point there but come on you said so there is 99% chances to get it, and as you said we need sources and it would be better if we have an "official source" like a press release but to me the screen savers are a source in one way or another.

at least for me it's clear.

I'm wondering, why in the last picture there's a title that says "Avianca lideres 2010" these might be the first delivery year or am completely nuts ???

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RE: Avianca Selects The B-787

Sun Jan 07, 2007 9:48 am

Anyone could have loaded those on there. Maybe the IT guy happens to be a airliner enthusiast with Photoshop.
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RE: Avianca Selects The B-787

Sun Jan 07, 2007 11:38 am

Quoting Brons2 (Reply 12):
Anyone could have loaded those on there. Maybe the IT guy happens to be a airliner enthusiast with Photoshop.

Seriously doubt it.

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RE: Avianca Selects The B-787

Sun Jan 07, 2007 12:12 pm

Quoting MATURRO727 (Reply 11):
I'm wondering, why in the last picture there's a title that says "Avianca lideres 2010" these might be the first delivery year or am completely nuts ???

I was just looking at that.

Maybe is their delivery year?? I think we might start looking into Boeing's ufos to see if any EIS matches with AV needs and 2010.......

I've said in this forum at least 100 times, from an inside source in the financial dept, the 787 order is already a closed deal, why not any confirmation?? AV kept waiting for closure in the short/medium range fleet. AFAIK, Airbus with a mix of 319-320 was almost going to get the order, at least by the second week of december, but of course, everything can change at the very last minute.

Quoting Brons2 (Reply 12):
Anyone could have loaded those on there. Maybe the IT guy happens to be a airliner enthusiast with Photoshop


The only reason of doing that, is because no one knows the final desing for the A350XWB.... duck  sorry, couldn't resist.

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RE: Avianca Selects The B-787

Sun Jan 07, 2007 12:32 pm

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 14):
I've said in this forum at least 100 times, from an inside source in the financial dept, the 787 order is already a closed deal, why not any confirmation??

heard the same from a Avianca source in Venezuela.... by the way heard also that AV was able to assure 2 very early delivery slots and they will be one of the first customers to get the aircrafts.... hope this information that I get from my source is correct...

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RE: Avianca Selects The B-787

Sun Jan 07, 2007 1:43 pm

How can you base the order on a screen saver. I also think AV will eventually order the 787 but these screen savers can very well be nothing but promotional material. That's what we would call selling techniques by giving away free stuff such as screen savers, pencils, notebooks, brochures, you name it. Having these screen savers doesn't have to mean anything even though I do think AV will go for the 787.

Let's wait on the official order instead of basing the order on a screensaver.

P.S. Yes, the 787 looks very nice in the AV livery of course 

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RE: Avianca Selects The B-787

Sun Jan 07, 2007 1:53 pm

Cool pictures but I agree that it’s a misleading title.
 
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RE: Avianca Selects The B-787

Sun Jan 07, 2007 9:51 pm

Quoting Avianca (Reply 15):
by the way heard also that AV was able to assure 2 very early delivery slots and they will be one of the first customers to get the aircrafts.... hope this information that I get from my source is correct...

I hope that too...
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RE: Avianca Selects The B-787

Sun Jan 07, 2007 10:28 pm

The Lideres 2010 is the company's aspiration to be leaders in latin America by the year 2010. A good fleet is an important part of that, and I guess that would be an important year by which the MD83s would have been replaced (I am nostalgic about them already  ) and the new widebodies would be on their way in..

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RE: Avianca Selects The B-787

Sun Jan 07, 2007 11:31 pm

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 19):
The Lideres 2010 is the company's aspiration to be leaders in latin America by the year 2010. A good fleet is an important part of that, and I guess that would be an important year by which the MD83s would have been replaced (I am nostalgic about them already ) and the new widebodies would be on their way in..

could or could be not. IIRC in Semana magazine(not sure) there was an article about the new Fokker aircraft's, Eldorado's concision and the company projections for the future and not sure if these words were from Mr. Eframovich but he said that Avianca, Ocean Air, VIP and Wayra(i think we can erase these one from the list) would be the most strong group of the LatAm careers by 2012.
i think that with the word "Lideres" they are highlighting that by 2010 they'll be in the lead of their competitors.

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RE: Avianca Selects The B-787

Sun Jan 07, 2007 11:56 pm

Quoting MATURRO727 (Reply 20):
Wayra(i think we can erase these one from the list) would be the most strong group of the LatAm careers by 2012.

By the way, I saw 4 or 5 Wayra's F-100s in a Hangar near BOG, does anybody know the fate of these? Are they going to be used by AV or Ocean?
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RE: Avianca Selects The B-787

Mon Jan 08, 2007 12:05 am

Quoting MATURRO727 (Reply 20):
Wayra(i think we can erase these one from the list)



Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 21):
By the way, I saw 4 or 5 Wayra's F-100s in a Hangar near BOG, does anybody know the fate of these? Are they going to be used by AV or Ocean?

What happened to Wayra? Did it ever take off? If so, are they liquidating? I hear so much about them not getting their F100s, but instead going to AV or Ocean Air.

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RE: Avianca Selects The B-787

Mon Jan 08, 2007 1:17 am

Quoting Coal (Reply 22):
What happened to Wayra? Did it ever take off? If so, are they liquidating? I hear so much about them not getting their F100s, but instead going to AV or Ocean Air

They took off, 8 months in service, doing well, but there was a problem with the management and it seems it will go down. This was the only company from Synergy Aerospace (owner of AV, Oceanair and VIP) where they were not the major shareholders (they had 49%), and apparently they were not able to stop the management issue. They operated with 6 F-100's.
If you check their website you'll see what I am talking about (In Spanish):

http://www.wayra.com.pe/
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RE: Avianca Selects The B-787

Mon Jan 08, 2007 5:49 am

Quoting Coal (Reply 22):
What happened to Wayra? Did it ever take off? If so, are they liquidating? I hear so much about them not getting their F100s, but instead going to AV or Ocean Air.

Found these pics:


MyAviation.net photo:
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RE: Avianca Selects The B-787

Tue Jan 09, 2007 6:26 pm

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 23):
They took off, 8 months in service, doing well, but there was a problem with the management and it seems it will go down. This was the only company from Synergy Aerospace (owner of AV, Oceanair and VIP) where they were not the major shareholders (they had 49%), and apparently they were not able to stop the management issue. They operated with 6 F-100's.
If you check their website you'll see what I am talking about (In Spanish):

in addition i read that synergy group tryed to buy the company, but the major shareholders asked for a very high price, therefore the synergy group backed up and decided to take away their F100 and replaced in one of their 3 remaining airlines in these case AV recived 3 or 4.

so i think these is the end for Wayra Peru. With nothing else to say i hope the best for the airline emplyees and god bless them.

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RE: Avianca Selects The B-787

Tue Jan 09, 2007 10:51 pm

I think the AV order is already on Boeing's order book but listed as Unidentified Customer. There are two orders that stand out:

1) September 15, 2006 - 11 x 787-8
2) September 18, 2006 - 14 x 737-700 & 16 x 737-800

I think this is AV order. They were looking for about 40 aircraft and I think this is it.

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RE: Avianca Selects The B-787

Tue Jan 09, 2007 11:11 pm

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 19):
The Lideres 2010 is the company's aspiration to be leaders in latin America by the year 2010

Hi J!! Happy New year.

Doesn't Synergy also plans to have all its companies working at elast under the same name by then?? 2010 is not too far away and we'll continue to see many changes in and around AV.

Quoting MATURRO727 (Reply 25):
in addition i read that synergy group tryed to buy the company

That was the major problem with Wayra. Synergy never got control control of the company, and this led to chaos. It's a shame that some people don't understand that Synergy is working in a long term plan to become a real aviation leader in this part of the world, and now with presence in 3 countries, although very small market share in Brazil and Ecuador, they have a real good platform to make their plans true: AV.

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RE: Avianca Selects The B-787

Wed Jan 10, 2007 12:28 am

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 26):
I think this is AV order. They were looking for about 40 aircraft and I think this is it

I was just looking at Boeing's order book and they still have 115 737s and 30 787 UFOs, which will be enough for AV, not including orders for Leasing companies, such as ILFC.

http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm

Here's the link to your info.


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RE: Avianca Selects The B-787

Wed Jan 10, 2007 12:32 am

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 28):
I was just looking at Boeing's order book and they still have 115 737s and 30 787 UFOs, which will be enough for AV, not including orders for Leasing companies, such as ILFC.

Yes I think 30 of the 115 737s and 11 of the 30 787 are for AV. I thik the aircraft ordered in mid September are AV's orders.
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RE: Avianca Selects The B-787

Wed Jan 10, 2007 12:36 am




Quoting MATURRO727 (Reply 2):
I know its only a screensaver but anyhoy its displayed on AV's VIP launge, what more proofs do you need??? as easy as 1+1=2.

Using that logic, Southwest had some Sonic Cruisers on order, too:



After all...the above image was a popular desktop wallpaper at Southwest corporate headquarters before the aircraft was cancelled....  Wink


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RE: Avianca Selects The B-787

Wed Jan 10, 2007 12:36 am

i will say for the millionth time that AV has gone with the 32x, 319s and 320s to be precise and the 787.
 
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RE: Avianca Selects The B-787

Wed Jan 10, 2007 1:46 am

Quoting Lokey123 (Reply 31):
i will say for the millionth time that AV has gone with the 32x, 319s and 320s to be precise and the 787

Although I wish a Boeing order, I have to go with you, and trust my sources, which for sure know a bit on this deal. I've said it many times too, even in this thread, but not as taking it for confident as you did.

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 14):
I've said in this forum at least 100 times, from an inside source in the financial dept, the 787 order is already a closed deal, why not any confirmation?? AV kept waiting for closure in the short/medium range fleet. AFAIK, Airbus with a mix of 319-320 was almost going to get the order

I only want AV to make the freaking announcement and end with this painful desire for confirmation.

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RE: Avianca Selects The B-787

Wed Jan 10, 2007 4:26 am

Quoting Coal (Reply 22):
What happened to Wayra? Did it ever take off? If so, are they liquidating? I hear so much about them not getting their F100s, but instead going to AV or Ocean Air.

Checking CH aviation, MM (parent company of AV) appears with 13 F-100's. Are the other 3 from Wayra maybe? or MM has always had 13 F-100's?

http://www.ch-aviation.ch/airlinepage.php?code1=MM
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RE: Avianca Selects The B-787

Wed Jan 10, 2007 5:10 am

AVs website shows only 10 F100, so they might be taking into account those 3 frames from Wayra. Of course, one might never know how often that site is been checked by someone iside AV.

http://www.avianca.com/QuienesSomos/NuestraFlota/

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RE: Avianca Selects The B-787

Wed Jan 10, 2007 5:58 am

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 34):
AVs website shows only 10 F100, so they might be taking into account those 3 frames from Wayra. Of course, one might never know how often that site is been checked by someone iside AV

Nop, because they show only 5 757s and they have 7, also 5 767s and they have 7, so not exactly the best source as you correctly said.

CH also shows Wayra as an "Inactive" airline in Peru.

http://www.ch-aviation.ch/airlinepage.php?code1=WAY
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RE: Avianca Selects The B-787

Wed Jan 10, 2007 6:25 am

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 26):
1) September 15, 2006 - 11 x 787-8
2) September 18, 2006 - 14 x 737-700 & 16 x 737-800

At least one of these and possibly both are not Avianca. Add them all up and they equal another recently announced order. You'll have to work out the rest yourself.
 
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RE: Avianca Selects The B-787

Wed Jan 10, 2007 6:58 am

Quoting 2wingtips (Reply 36):
At least one of these and possibly both are not Avianca. Add them all up and they equal another recently announced order. You'll have to work out the rest yourself.

I don't think these were announced as they are still listed as Unidentified Customer on Boeing's order and Delivery web page.
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RE: Avianca Selects The B-787

Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:39 am

Quoting Lokey123 (Reply 31):
i will say for the millionth time that AV has gone with the 32x, 319s and 320s to be precise and the 787

This sounds right. But do you know how many 787s? And would they be on Boeing's order book yet as unidentified?
 
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RE: Avianca Selects The B-787

Wed Jan 10, 2007 8:36 am

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 33):
MM (parent company of AV)

MM is not AV's parent company. MM is AV's regional carrier. Synergy Aerospace is AV's parent company.

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RE: Avianca Selects The B-787

Wed Jan 10, 2007 10:04 am

Quoting Coal (Reply 39):
MM is not AV's parent company. MM is AV's regional carrier. Synergy Aerospace is AV's parent company

Right.. my bad...
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RE: Avianca Selects The B-787

Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:06 pm

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 37):
Quoting 2wingtips (Reply 36):
At least one of these and possibly both are not Avianca. Add them all up and they equal another recently announced order. You'll have to work out the rest yourself.

I don't think these were announced as they are still listed as Unidentified Customer on Boeing's order and Delivery web page.

Maybe I should have said commitment that has not yet formalised into an order. It is my view that Avianca have yet to order and they are not listed as UFO orders on Boeing's orders page.
 
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RE: Avianca Selects The B-787

Wed Jan 10, 2007 10:00 pm

Quoting 2wingtips (Reply 41):
Maybe I should have said commitment that has not yet formalised into an order. It is my view that Avianca have yet to order and they are not listed as UFO orders on Boeing's orders page.

The only one I can think of that has made a committment to the 787 and the 737 is Hong Kong Air (formerly CR Airways).
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RE: Avianca Selects The B-787

Wed Jan 10, 2007 10:53 pm

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 42):
The only one I can think of that has made a committment to the 787 and the 737 is Hong Kong Air (formerly CR Airways).

Is it possible AV has made a committment through a lease company??

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RE: Avianca Selects The B-787

Thu Jan 11, 2007 6:10 am

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 42):
The only one I can think of that has made a committment to the 787 and the 737 is Hong Kong Air (formerly CR Airways).

Think harder
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RE: Avianca Selects The B-787

Thu Jan 11, 2007 6:25 am

Quoting 2wingtips (Reply 44):
Think harder

Ugh, why are you torturing me!!! Is it ILFC or Garuda? Perhaps it is US Airways?
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RE: Avianca Selects The B-787

Thu Jan 11, 2007 6:32 am

Quoting 2wingtips (Reply 44):
Think harder

Give us a hint................don't kill us like this, let us die without agony  listen 

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 45):
Is it ILFC or Garuda? Perhaps it is US Airways?

Any american airline (pls don't think only in AA, oops I just said it)
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RE: Avianca Selects The B-787

Thu Jan 11, 2007 6:59 am

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 46):
Any american airline (pls don't think only in AA, oops I just said it)

Thing is that a lot of the US carriers that are in the market forthe 787 wold buy a whole lot of them. Not just 10 or 11. They would be looking for 30, 40, or 50. In the case of AA maybe even more. US is unhappy with the rescheduling of the A350 and I think might bolt and go with the 787.
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RE: Avianca Selects The B-787

Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:30 am

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 47):
US is unhappy with the rescheduling of the A350 and I think might bolt and go with the 787.

How many 350s they ordered??

On the original topic: You don't think AV has already ordered the 787??

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RE: Avianca Selects The B-787

Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:59 am

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 45):
Ugh, why are you torturing me!!! Is it ILFC or Garuda? Perhaps it is US Airways?

None of them. Have a look at which carriers announced they had/would buy Boeings in the last couple of months last year. It's not that hard really. And it isn't a US carrier.