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Good Mergers?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 12:18 pm

Hi everyone.... From a yet again fresh snow covered DEN

I was wondering with the US / DL merger proposal and rumors up the wazoo about UA CO NW etc....

Have there ever been any GOOD mergers?

I know that AA / TWA was a bad one. Also to most the CO / F9 (the first one) wasn't all that great. Also CO / EA (if it really was a merger) was bad.

but have there been any recent good mergers?

If this has been discussed in the past and I apologize I couldn't find it in the search

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RE: Good Mergers?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 12:22 pm

Just a question, besides 9/11 what made AA/TWA a bad merger? It was on of the most smooth and quickly transitioned airline merger.

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RE: Good Mergers?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 1:51 pm

Quoting AASTEW (Reply 1):
Just a question, besides 9/11 what made AA/TWA a bad merger? It was on of the most smooth and quickly transitioned airline merger.

Hmm...might want to ask former TWA employees what was so bad about it...

PA/NA...bad...US/Piedmont...so so? DL/WA...good.

CO/PE should be considered good...it was rough for a while, but CO has PE's former hub at EWR and that's a money-maker for them.
 
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RE: Good Mergers?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:16 pm

United/Capital - good!
 
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RE: Good Mergers?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:44 pm

Quoting LawnDart (Reply 2):
DL/WA...good

 checkmark  Very good indeed! The proposed DL/US merger is bad which is why it is being viewed with such hostility and disdain  irked   grumpy   gnasher 
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RE: Good Mergers?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:51 pm

Quoting AirEMS (Thread starter):
Also CO / EA (if it really was a merger)

If that is referring to Eastern Airlines, the two were never merged. They were both owned by Texas Air (Lorenzo) for a while, but the two were never combined.
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RE: Good Mergers?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:22 pm

I haven't been impressed with US, and there bid to take over DL. way to much overlap, and too many lucrative holes in the network.

on topic, however, i do think that the US/HP deal was a great save by Parker. It was sad to see HP go, but, I wouldn't have wanted them to go into bankruptcy either. That was the principle reason why they did merge.

It seems that the operations have been pretty smooth, and it seems like a lot of the employees are relatively content being merged into each other. Well, at least on the HP side, I live in LA, and fly to PHX and LAS relatively often, and the employees seem to try to make the flying experience more enjoyable.

I flew on US once before the merger, and, if i remember, it was pretty uneventful, and forgettable. All i remember was that it seemed ridiculous that they wanted something like $8.00 for a pair of headphones.
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RE: Good Mergers?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:24 pm

I think CO and UA would be a good Merger  Smile...
 
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RE: Good Mergers?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 4:02 pm

Quoting AASTEW (Reply 1):
It was on of the most smooth and quickly transitioned airline merger.

Your comment was about the AA/TWA situation.

Theirs wasn't a merger, it was an asset acquisition.

Many of the tricky labor issues (adding TWA union members to the bottomr of the AA list instead of merging them) and complex financial issues were resolved prior to the acquisition.

This was a merger only of aircraft that also incorporate the well being of TWA retirees. Nothing else that was TWA remained.

The Delta/Western mergers went better than most, althoght it too was full of labor related problems. Western employees lost all union representation shortly after the merger was finalized. Most Western union employees received immediate pay incrreases to Delta's superior non-union wage levels. But there was a LOT of animosity among Western employees toward Delta.

Never really understood why either. They were acquired by what was then the powerhouse of the airline industry. They got pay raises and job protection. They received the more valuable Delta stock for their Western stock which had been issued due to wage cuts during hard times. Their highly complementary route systems seemed like a match made in heaven, and in many ways it was, but labor was very sticky for several years.
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RE: Good Mergers?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 4:04 pm

Good merger: AS and (CO|AA|DL).

How about: WestJet and WN?  Wink
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RE: Good Mergers?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 4:38 pm

Would the Pacific/Bonanza/West Coast merger into AirWest (then later Hughes Airwest) be thought of as a good merger? It made three small regional airlines into a much larger and visible airline with more clout. I don't know about the details regarding employess, etc.

North Central + Southern was said to be awkward. The subsequent Hughes AirWest and Republic merger didn't retain much of Hughes AirWest in the end, so not sure how well that worked.

Back further, Frontier (the original)-Central was opportune, and expanded Frontier's presence in the Great Plains. Along the same lines is the Allegheny and Lake Central combination.

An earlier post crediting Continental and People Express also needed to include Frontier's half of the earlier Frontier-People Express merger.

Any of you have opinions about TWA-Ozark, or Piedmont-Empire?

And here's one that's been overlooked -- how about all the merger/acquisitions by Mesa Air over the years, to become the megaregional it is today. Revolutionized regional airlines, didn't it? Similarly, Air Wisconsin, or Chautauqua! None of them would be recognized from their original homelands!

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RE: Good Mergers?

Sat Jan 06, 2007 6:09 pm

What about Northwest/Republic? I know there are still some labor issues to this day regarding seniority etc., but otherwise it made sense from a post-deregulation standpoint (NW had long-haul, international, and high-traffic routes, while Republic had a stronger hub/spoke system, shorter routes with smaller planes, and the two had overlapping hubs particularly in MSP, so NW eliminated a lot of competition with the merger as well.
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RE: Good Mergers?

Sun Jan 07, 2007 4:13 am

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 11):
What about Northwest/Republic?

That was about the most rancorous of all the mergers that took place at that time (DL/WA and TW/OZ being the others) as the seniority list merger was, in military parlance, a Charlie-Fox. From an operational standpoint, it's worked out okay after a fashion.

I would agree that of all the mergers within the past 20 years, the DL/WA merger probably ranks as the smoothest and most beneficial to the resulting airline.

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RE: Good Mergers?

Sun Jan 07, 2007 4:44 am

Then we have AS and Jet America. AS needed some planes and was able to get them. Jet America didn't have much of a route structure anyways, so it has to be classified as a good merger.
 
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RE: Good Mergers?

Sun Jan 07, 2007 4:49 am

Quoting AirCop (Reply 13):

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RE: Good Mergers?

Sun Jan 07, 2007 5:00 am

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 11):
What about Northwest/Republic? I know there are still some labor issues to this day regarding seniority etc., but otherwise it made sense from a post-deregulation standpoint

The NW/RC merger was definitly raucous, however the problems were between mainly the employee groups (unions) regarding seniority. The management at Northwest did all it could to defuse this animosity between the Red Tails and the Blue Tails but with little success. For years many Red Tail pilots would not speak to Blue Tail pilots and the same was true in reverse. On the ramp the disagreements became physical on many occasions.
 
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RE: Good Mergers?

Sun Jan 07, 2007 5:14 am

Is this only about airline mergers in the US or can it also be on Europe? I'd like to know a bit if some of the Euro airline mergers were "good" or at least beneficial to the airlines involved.
 
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RE: Good Mergers?

Sun Jan 07, 2007 5:46 am

Quoting DL777LAX (Reply 6):
t was sad to see HP go, but, I wouldn't have wanted them to go into bankruptcy either. That was the principle reason why they did merge.

Hmmmm?

America West was in no danger of bankruptcy at the time of the merger with US.

There had been a possibility at the time of 9/11 - without the ATSB loan, America West would almost certainly have gone Chapter 11 - but that was not an issue by the time of the merger.

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RE: Good Mergers?

Sun Jan 07, 2007 6:16 am

Quoting Floridaflyboy (Reply 5):
If that is referring to Eastern Airlines, the two were never merged. They were both owned by Texas Air (Lorenzo) for a while, but the two were never combined.

It was about Eastern but I keep forgetting that they were never merged my fault

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 16):
Is this only about airline mergers in the US or can it also be on Europe? I'd like to know a bit if some of the Euro airline mergers were "good" or at least beneficial to the airlines involved.

I didn't have it in mind but it is a good question what does the rest of the world look like??

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RE: Good Mergers?

Sun Jan 07, 2007 6:26 am

Define "good merger."
 
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RE: Good Mergers?

Sun Jan 07, 2007 6:36 am

I remember day one of the NWA/RC merger,IIRC there were headaches regarding basic operations,flights left on long trips with no meals,galley carts not having a common fit between fleets,RC maintenance used SCEPTRE,crew planning used different programs sometimes there was a crew and no aircraft sometimes there was an aircraft and no crew.

Quoting Ordpark (Reply 3):
United/Capital - good!

Just don't say that to folks that were there at the time,as late as a couple years ago when the last of them retired there was the battle of the "bluebirds and the red-birds"

Quoting AASTEW (Reply 1):
Just a question, besides 9/11 what made AA/TWA a bad merger? It was on of the most smooth and quickly transitioned airline merger.

AASTEW

When you steamroll over one employee group and basically eliminate them it pretty much stops any debate...Sky Nazi or Stalin style,doesn't really matter.
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RE: Good Mergers?

Sun Jan 07, 2007 6:45 am

PE/CO was good, EWR is awesome for CO now. Was Texas international/Co a buyout or merger?
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RE: Good Mergers?

Sun Jan 07, 2007 6:49 am

Quoting Garri767 (Reply 21):
Was Texas international/Co a buyout or merger?

Texas Air Corp. owned Texas International and purchased CO,they merged the operations in 1982 and stuck with the CO. name because it wasn't so limited.
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RE: Good Mergers?

Sun Jan 07, 2007 7:08 am

Quoting Garri767 (Reply 21):
PE/CO was good, EWR is awesome for CO now.

The PE/CO merger (plus NY being folded in to the mix) was a mess for years! People tend to forget how bad things were at CO for a long time after the combo.

Yes, it worked out in the long run, but it took a decade for CO to get rid of the bad rep it had!
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RE: Good Mergers?

Sun Jan 07, 2007 12:09 pm

Quoting Charlienorth (Reply 20):
When you steamroll over one employee group and basically eliminate them it pretty much stops any debate...Sky Nazi or Stalin style,doesn't really matter.

Well, the TWA union employees did themselves in by signing their scope clause in their contract away. That is unlikely to ever happen again.
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RE: Good Mergers?

Sun Jan 07, 2007 12:36 pm

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 8):
The Delta/Western mergers went better than most

For what it's worth, the Delta absorbing Northeast merger seemed good to me. Back in the day, we were in the throes of a Nixon era/GOP recession and this was one of the first great downturns in our industry. The swinging 60s jet age expansion seemed a long time ago. I missed the "yellowbirds" but, this merger was a shot in the arm for Delta and the widget finally flew Boeing birds.
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RE: Good Mergers?

Sun Jan 07, 2007 12:40 pm

US/HP so far so good.

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RE: Good Mergers?

Sun Jan 07, 2007 8:19 pm

AA's hookup with Trans Caribbean in the early 70's should be rated a Good Merger.
 
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RE: Good Mergers?

Sun Jan 07, 2007 10:38 pm

Go and EasyJet. Before these two airlines merged in 2003, they were both reasonably sized low-cost airlines, who had they not merged, would have ended up stepping all over each other for a market which probably couldn't have supported as many low-cost airlines. They had the same fleet, crews on similar contracts, and route networks which merged very easily. Whilst there was an initial culture shock and Go crews not looking forward to wearing orange, it seems to have settled very quickly into creating one of Europe's largest airlines.
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RE: Good Mergers?

Sun Jan 07, 2007 10:38 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 16):
Is this only about airline mergers in the US or can it also be on Europe? I'd like to know a bit if some of the Euro airline mergers were "good" or at least beneficial to the airlines involved.

How about BOAC/BEA that must be a good merger.


Also I can't recall to many problems that arose with the QF/TN merger


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RE: Good Mergers?

Mon Jan 08, 2007 1:30 am

Nobody has mentioned NW/AA, any good synergies there ?
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RE: Good Mergers?

Mon Jan 08, 2007 2:57 am

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 24):
Well, the TWA union employees did themselves in by signing their scope clause in their contract away. That is unlikely to ever happen again.

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RE: Good Mergers?

Mon Jan 08, 2007 3:20 am

Quoting Vhqpa (Reply 29):
Also I can't recall to many problems that arose with the QF/TN merger

You mean TN as in Australian Airlines from the 90s, right?
 
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RE: Good Mergers?

Mon Jan 08, 2007 3:33 am

How about CP/WD and AC/CP ?

CP buys out Wardair in 1989. WD only weeks away from liquidation, in the view of many, Max Ward pockets $68M and skates. CP tries to operate WD as a separate airline but gives up in 1990 and merges the ops. Many union hassles, many cultural hassles. Rhys Eyton: did you ever know how to run an airline ?

Fast forward to 1999. After a protracted war between AA & AC (with Gerry Schwarz of Onex as the stalking horse for AA) AC wins out (??? irony here) and acquires CP, which itself was months away from death. It had been kept alive by the Liberals as the government threw them a number of bones: CF trooping contract, CF Airbus maintenance to name a couple. When AC 'won out', there were still unresolved union greivances at CP related to the WD acquisition.

AC is then carrying so much debt and is constrained by the government from _any_ layoffs until March 2003, that it has to go into CCRA (Company and Creditors Relations Act -- somewhat eq. to Ch. 11 in the US).

Fast forward to 2007. At AC there are still unresolved union issues related to the AC/CP marriage. Mainly about the pilots.

Mergers are almost always never easy or painless. There are exceptions, but I think in the main they are a pain in the a** for the acquiring company. Better to beat the other guys brains in economically and then let the chips fall where they may.
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RE: Good Mergers?

Mon Jan 08, 2007 6:30 am

Quoting Rampart (Reply 10):
An earlier post crediting Continental and People Express also needed to include Frontier's half of the earlier Frontier-People Express merger.

I remember very shortly after the CO/Frontier merger I was driving down I-70 here in DEN and a a/c like this went over the highway:


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It pretty much brought my Dad to tears after fighting to save Frontier the possibility of UA helping but only wanting a/c and equipment and then to have CO take over and lose his job hurt him alot and alot of others.... I don't think that CO / F9 was a good merger. I know my father thought it wasn't.

I think that mergers always hurt someone at some point....

It could be loss of a heritage, it could be loss of a great place to work, it could be the loss of old friends and great memories. Mergers I think try to at first remind everyone of the different parts that came together, and to some extent they are starting to like US's retrojets. Although at some point I think that the past is lost and it really is one airline that no one recalls who made it up... well except all of us here on A.Net who have fond memories of airlines that are no longer here, but in the end only one past is remembered.

Once in a great while a long lost friend comes back to life like with Frontier and we once again remember, but there are far too many that haven't come back and may never again. But I think that as long as people tell stories of the past, thoes airlines will never go away even if the name on the plane does. Just my 2 cents.


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RE: Good Mergers?

Mon Jan 08, 2007 6:49 am

Quoting AASTEW (Reply 1):
Just a question, besides 9/11 what made AA/TWA a bad merger? It was on of the most smooth and quickly transitioned airline merger.

It was an aquasition not a merger. Pretty much most of TWA employees are gone, the airplanes are mostly gone or going and a large chunk of there flights are either gone or run by Eagle. Also not to mention the laid off employees from AA because of the added cash strain from buying TWA and 9/11. But other than that it was great.

Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 7):
I think CO and UA would be a good Merger ...

maybe for a UAL employee. Please stop thinking.


What about AA and Reno Air. Go out to Reno and ask a Reno air employee if you can find one.
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RE: Good Mergers?

Mon Jan 08, 2007 7:39 pm

CXand KA seems to be a very good merger. Routes complement each other. And the merger was done with only dozens of (around 40 if I can remember correctly) job losses (all of them office jobs).

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RE: Good Mergers?

Mon Jan 08, 2007 8:41 pm

Within the U.S. airline industry, I think the DL/WA merger was probably one of the better executed airline mergers. It expanded DL's market coverage to the western U.S. rather than simply having eliminated competition, as was the case in the NW/RC merger, the TW/OZ merger, and the US/PI merger. I think that mergers, for the sake of eliminating competition, are detrimental to stake-holders, employees, and consumers, in the long-run.

I have supported the HP/US merger, because it has brought two of the industry's more vulnerable airlines together, created expanded market coverage, and enhanced revenue synergies. I am vehemently opposed to the US/DL combination because, 1: US Management is taking their eye off of the ball (their energies would be better spent completing the US/HP integration and negotiating transition agreements). 2: It eliminates competition rather than expands market coverage significantly; and 3: It strikes me as a short-term financial gain for DL creditors, rather than long-term, sound corporate strategy.

I strongly believe that if the US/DL merger were to prevail, the cities of PHL and CLT would be vulnerable to a pull-down during the next major economic down-turn. US had proved that by having major competing hub cities so close together geographically, did little for the company's long-term well-being. My sense is that, during such an economic down-turn, PHL would lose out to JFK, and CLT would lose out to ATL, resulting in significant lay-offs, dislocatons, as well as significantly decreased airline service to those communities in the future.

Going forward, I believe that a UA/CO, or a UA/DL, or even an AA/NW combination would be much more advantageous to stake-holders, consumers, and employees than the proposed US/DL combination. Such a combination would create little route over-lap, a strong global U.S. airline brand, enhanced route opportunities from the carriers' combined hubs, a seamless customer experience, and significantly enhanced revenue synergies for the combined carriers.
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RE: Good Mergers?

Tue Jan 09, 2007 12:42 am

Quoting AASTEW (Reply 1):
besides 9/11 what made AA/TWA a bad merger

My dad is a frequent business traveler out of STL and he complains that since AA/TWA merger his choice of direct flights and mainline service out of STL has dropped significantly. It used to be that TWA would take you just about anywhere out of STL. For example if he goes to DTW, MEM, MSP, he takes NW. If he goes to PIT, PHX or PHL he flies US. DFW, ORD, SFO, he uses AA, and if he flies to DEN it is UA. CVG or ATL he flies DL. 10 years ago it was always TWA and he could rack up the miles. Today it is just about any airline as long as he can avoid a stopover.

I am afraid the same would happen if NW leaves DTW. Mergers might help a bottom line, but as far as travelers go at the airport that gets its hub cut the merger isn't so good.
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RE: Good Mergers?

Tue Jan 09, 2007 3:11 am

Quoting Vhqpa (Reply 29):
How about BOAC/BEA that must be a good merger.

I am unsure if BOAC/BEA could be considered a merger in the true sense. They both were state-owned at the time and both reported to the Ministry of Aviation, albeit they were separate entities. Even 40 years after the merger, there are still some senior staff who still regard themselves as "BOAC" managers and "BEA" managers. Whether or not it was a good merger depends on who you ask but it was nevertheless a merger that had to happen before BA could convert to a public listed company.

The British Caledonian/BA merger, although unavoidable at the time, was not a good merger. Had BCal been allowed access to LHR and been allowed to operate alongside the flag carrier (they were always given chicken feed as BA was then protected by the UK Government in the same way that a mother hen protecting her chicks), then they would still exist today and be the secondary UK scheduled airline rather than VS.
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RE: Good Mergers?

Tue Jan 09, 2007 3:16 am

Quoting AASTEW (Reply 1):
Just a question, besides 9/11 what made AA/TWA a bad merger?

The fact that it pissed off all the involved labor groups and lowered morale. Also the fact that 5 years later AA barely uses any of the TWA resources aquired. They could have just bought the few things they've kept piecemeal avoiding all the messy labor issues.
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RE: Good Mergers?

Tue Jan 09, 2007 3:52 am

Quoting N328KF (Reply 9):
How about: WestJet and WN?

Although I do believe in global economy... with all due respect, I'd rather not have another American company buying out a Canadian company.

Retail hasn't been the same since "Wallyworld" was allowed into our country....It has ruined the retail landscape in Canada. I'd hate to see what would happen with aviation!
Codeshare though? Yah, that'd be cool!

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In Canada:

Pacific Western acquisition of CPAir(Canadian Pacific) [Eastern Provincial, Nordair and ? also rolled into the larger airline] to form Canadi>n .... good in theory, bad in actuality. They got an amazing route system, but the CPAir fleet was already long in the tooth.
***PWA corp got too greedy when they then acquired Wardair. It was Canada's -at the time- premier charter company, with many lucrative slots in desireable locations worldwide... but heavily in debt with new aircraft...all of which eventually were disposed of by Canadi>n.

Going back further in time, CP had been AC's thorn in the side for decades. AC being originally a govt. owned airline, had the $$$ for continued equipment upgrades, and CP was always second best when applying for and getting new routes.

Although AC became a public co. , CP's long struggle as a viable competitor finally caught up with them. Shades of HP/US merger, when PWA took over...although by comparison HP was larger than PWA when taking over the larger carrier.

After too many years of financial hardships, AC finally took over CAI (Canadi>n International Airlines). The merger took numerous years, and the hard feeling on the CAI side continued for a long time. Since the start of the merger, AC people were known as "the Reds", and former CAI known as "the Blues". With the start-up of LCC's such as Westjet and (now only charter carrier) Canjet...the merger almost brought AC to its knees.

In the end, things have simmered down, and AC is now (if not yet perfect), a much stronger, better positioned company.

This story has a more modern element: Shades of HP/US merger, when PWA took over the larger carrier...although by comparison HP was larger than PWA was when taking over CP.

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Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos