AirAmericaC46
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Help: Identify This 747 At Kandahar

Sun Jan 07, 2007 2:31 am

Being a 747 fan myself, I was trying to google hajj flights using 747s to add to my record of all 747 flights and this website came out:

www.defendamerica.mil/articles/mar2003/a032203b.html

This 747 appears to be one of the 2 donated by UA to Ariana and appears to have flown Kandahar to Jeddah hajj flights. I presume it also flew Kabul-Jeddah. Anybody knows it if flew hajj to Herat and Mazar-i-Sharif as well?
And so what happened to these 2 747s? Did FG eventually sell them? Did FG used it for other scheduled/charter flights as well?

Thanks for the info.
 
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RE: Help: Identify This 747 At Kandahar

Sun Jan 07, 2007 2:50 am

Quoting AirAmericaC46 (Thread starter):
This 747 appears to be one of the 2 donated by UA to Ariana

IIRC , they were only 'leased' to FG for the Hajj lights, not 'donated'
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RE: Help: Identify This 747 At Kandahar

Sun Jan 07, 2007 2:55 am

Interesting. The pic in the article suggests that it's not a 744; there aren't any winglets. What gives?!


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RE: Help: Identify This 747 At Kandahar

Sun Jan 07, 2007 3:29 am

Quoting AirAmericaC46 (Thread starter):
This 747 appears to be one of the 2 donated by UA to Ariana

Where can I sign up for a donated plane, I thought only airbus did that for JetBlue, good to see that UA is doing so well they can donate a plane here and there.
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RE: Help: Identify This 747 At Kandahar

Sun Jan 07, 2007 4:00 am

Thats cause its a 747-200 not a 747-400. Packed completely with economy seats.
 
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RE: Help: Identify This 747 At Kandahar

Sun Jan 07, 2007 8:58 am

The aircraft in question is a 747-238B, originally with Qantas, later United. Two were operated for Hadj-flights by different operators in 2003/04. Judging from the engine-pylons I think its the former VH-EBJ, built in 1975. The other aircraft (formerly VH-EBM of 1977) has a later style of engine-pylons (in 1976 Boeing changed the shape), though its pretty hard to judge from this angle.
 
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RE: Help: Identify This 747 At Kandahar

Sun Jan 07, 2007 9:54 am

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 3):

Where can I sign up for a donated plane, I thought only airbus did that for JetBlue

 Yeah sure Booooooring!
 
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RE: Help: Identify This 747 At Kandahar

Sun Jan 07, 2007 10:35 am


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RE: Help: Identify This 747 At Kandahar

Mon Jan 08, 2007 12:39 am

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 3):

Where can I sign up for a donated plane, I thought only airbus did that for JetBlue

Rumor has it that Airbus pays for Jetblue fuel bill and payrol for next 7 years. Could they be providng free engines, tires and be paying landing fees as well. Of course I'm strictly being sarcastic here.
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RE: Help: Identify This 747 At Kandahar

Mon Jan 08, 2007 4:38 am

Quoting NA (Reply 5):
The other aircraft (formerly VH-EBM of 1977) has a later style of engine-pylons (in 1976 Boeing changed the shape)

Didn't know that.
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RE: Help: Identify This 747 At Kandahar

Mon Jan 08, 2007 9:13 am

Look at the shape of the PW engine pylons (at the back):

Until 1976 all PW-powered 747s (-100s and -200s) had this straight shape pylons:

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From 1976 onwards (starting with the introduction of the SP) they were standardised like this:

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Notice: some airlines (JAL, Air India and SAA) modified the pylons on earlier aircraft to the later style during the 80s. You´ll see that if you compare photos of aircraft like JA8103, VT-EBN or ZS-SAP.

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as modified in the 80s:

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