Slovacek747
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Legroom on Southwest Airlines

Sun Jan 07, 2007 6:46 am

I just took a flight on WN and the legroom on their planes is great. I compared that to airlines such as AA and CO but they don't even come close. I was able to stretch my legs out under the seat in front of me and it was very comfortable. I just wanted to give WN props for such a great airline and product for that matter. These days they provide more than legacies.

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RE: Legroom On Southwest Airlines

Sun Jan 07, 2007 6:52 am

Quoting Slovacek747 (Thread starter):
These days they provide more than legacies.

US's Airbus fleet (on non-HP ones only) have the same amount of legroom as WN's. Both have 32'' of pitch(room between seats.
 
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RE: Legroom On Southwest Airlines

Sun Jan 07, 2007 6:54 am

I haven't been on US.. I'm just speaking for the airlines I have been on and even if you dismiss that I'm commenting on the great leg room they have. It could be attributed to lack of IFE and the boxes under the seats but it was extremely comfortable.

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RE: Legroom On Southwest Airlines

Sun Jan 07, 2007 7:23 am

From what I can tell, our engeneering/mx folks at WN have come up with a seat that curves in a little more curve at the base of the back than the average seat at the legacy carriers. This seat not only offers some good lower back support for a Y-class seat, but also offers on average an extra inch of pitch or legroom compared to most other carriers as well. I've had many passengers onboard who have asked or commented about this.

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RE: Legroom On Southwest Airlines

Sun Jan 07, 2007 8:57 am

I don't know how they do it, but Southwest's legroom is significantly better than economy class on virtually any other domestic U.S. carrier. I've never taken out a tape-rule and gotten an objective measure, but the subjective feeling of legroom on Southwest is, in my opinion, on a par with what one gets from UA in their economy-plus sections. It is a significant factor in my choosing Southwest for leisure travel even when fares are identical to other carriers.

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RE: Legroom On Southwest Airlines

Sun Jan 07, 2007 9:00 am

Southwest does have good seat pitch, particularly for a 'cheap' airline.
But I should point out to you that Continental flies the same seat pitch on their 757-300s, and both the 767-200s and 767-400s.

Lack of IFE boxes certainly is a nice thing... except that then you don't have IFE. So take your pick- comfy feet or IFE!
 
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RE: Legroom On Southwest Airlines

Sun Jan 07, 2007 9:06 am

One other thing:

Quoting Slovacek747 (Thread starter):
These days they provide more than legacies.

Uh, no. Southwest? No IFE. Ever. Of any type. Continental? All types except 733/735 have audio and visual, with PTVs on widebodies and soon AVOD on 752s and 738s... even in coach for the 752s.
Southwest? Snack packs on flights of three hours or more. Continental? Meals at meal times.
Frequent flier benefits? Southwest, well, those points expire awful quick. Continental? Three years, I believe. Which is great for the occasional flyer.
Elite perks? Heh, right.

So, in conclusion, NO, Southwest does not beat the majors these, or any other, days.

Further, one of the reasons their seats seem to have so much legroom is that the seat bottom cushion is SHORTER. Look at some photos- you'll see what I mean.
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RE: Legroom On Southwest Airlines

Sun Jan 07, 2007 9:20 am

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 6):
So, in conclusion, NO, Southwest does not beat the majors these, or any other, days.

You just compared them to CO, but if you compare them to AA, NW, or DL, WN does offer more in the way of snacks. WN will probably never have AVOD or anything of the sort, but that is OK (for me anyway).
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RE: Legroom On Southwest Airlines

Sun Jan 07, 2007 9:31 am

WN has said on several occasions that they will consider IFE when it becomes important to their business model. For the time being, WN will not install IFE because:

- Current systems are still heavy and bulky
- Instillation would require a great deal of fleet downtime
- Customers don't yet demand it significantly on WN's short hops

IFE is continuing to get cheaper, lighter, and smaller, and WN is moving to longer stage lengths. In due time, it is very possible that WN may fit IFE. The "never ever" statements above are some of the dumbest statements I've heard.
 
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RE: Legroom On Southwest Airlines

Sun Jan 07, 2007 9:34 am

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 6):
Further, one of the reasons their seats seem to have so much legroom is that the seat bottom cushion is SHORTER.

WN seems to have more legroom than many carriers because they DO. I'm not making an opinionated statement: pitch is a measurable quantity.

Pitch is a measure of legroom, not cushion size. Smaller seat cushions would not affect pitch as its measured from the back of one seat to the front of the next seat.
 
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RE: Legroom On Southwest Airlines

Sun Jan 07, 2007 10:06 am

The seat pitch on WN is 33", not 32"
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RE: Legroom On Southwest Airlines

Sun Jan 07, 2007 10:17 am

Last summer I went MCO-PIT-MCO. On the flight up I took US and was on a 737-400. It was packed and the pitch was what has become normal US economy - 31 inches. Service was minimal at best.

The flight back was on WN because of scheduling. Notwithstanding the fact that the plane was 2 1/2 hours late, it was far more pleasant. The pitch was noticeably greater (like 33 inches) and the seats themselves were far better as they were leather covered. The service was also far friendlier from WN.

There are reasons why Southwest is so successful and they're not hard to find when you fly them.

Cheers,
Dave in Orlando

P.S. - Someone mentioned that CO had enhanced pitch in coach. Unless something's changed recently, they are 31 inches throughout coach. On the boarding video they had a few years back, ol' Gordon himself said "you may notice that our seats are a little closer together than on some other airlines." This was at the time AA was featuring more room throughout coach and CO maintained that they had done surveys and people prefered not having someone in the middle seat to more legroom. Nothing against CO, they're great (FF miles don't expire, as far as I know), but legroom is one area where they fall short.
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RE: Legroom On Southwest Airlines

Sun Jan 07, 2007 10:18 am

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 6):
So, in conclusion, NO, Southwest does not beat the majors these, or any other, days.

Profitable. Young fleet. High frequency of service. Multiple routings to solve issues of maintenance failures, cancellations, wx delays, etc. Good attitude of associates due in part to industry leading salaries and benefits.

Southwest wins. Hands down.
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RE: Legroom On Southwest Airlines

Sun Jan 07, 2007 10:43 am

I flew on an AA MD80 in the fall of 05 then I flew WN for the first time in March of 2006 and I noticed the difference in leg room significantly! The flight I just took to Vegas this past weekend was very comfortable. I stretched out a little bit.
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RE: Legroom On Southwest Airlines

Sun Jan 07, 2007 11:26 am

Southwest's seat pitch is actually closer to 32.5" on most of their planes according to their Customer Service Commitment (PDF File)

More Leg Room

We would like to dispel the myth that our airline is, perhaps, cramming more seats into our airplanes. Southwest is actually working hard to provide you with more room in each edition of the 737 that we have ordered. Your comfort is of the utmost importance to us.

That is why, when we designed our aircraft interiors, we worked hard at maintaining a comfortable distance or pitch between your seat and the seat in front of you. The chart below shows the number of seats in each Boeing 737 model we fly as compared to the number of seats that airplane would hold if we were less concerned with your comfort. It will also give you an idea of what you can expect in terms of legroom.

Model/Avg. Capacity/WN capacity/Pitch

737-700 - 149 -137 - 32.57

737-500 - 132 - 122 - 32.18

737-300 - 149 - 137 - 32.55

It's comfortable, for me anyway.

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