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Why So Few 777's In HNL?

Sun Jan 07, 2007 1:09 pm

I recently booked a trip to Honolulu, and like to book my flights based on the equipment being used...I was so disappointed to find out that of all the North American carriers operating the 777, only United flies theirs to HNL...and this only from SFO...

Further, only Korean and JAL occasionally fly theirs into HNL, very rarely though. They typically use the 744 or the DC-10. I never saw anything but a few United 777s and they were few and far between...

Any ideas why this is?
 
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RE: Why So Few 777's In HNL?

Sun Jan 07, 2007 1:55 pm

You could always go ORD-OGG on United then just hop over to HNL. That gives you a couple of options.

I went through the same thing a few months ago, really wanted the 777 but in the end it was so much more convenient to connect via DFW on a 767 that's what I did.
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RE: Why So Few 777's In HNL?

Sun Jan 07, 2007 1:58 pm

Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 1):
I went through the same thing a few months ago, really wanted the 777 but in the end it was so much more convenient to connect via DFW on a 767 that's what I did.

Me too...that 777 eluded me yet again. I still have yet to fly on one. Was scheduled on one before only to have it replaced last minute by a 763...Thanks British Airways!
 
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RE: Why So Few 777's In HNL?

Sun Jan 07, 2007 2:02 pm

Quoting BAalltheway (Thread starter):
and this only from SFO

They fly it to and from ORD too.
 
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RE: Why So Few 777's In HNL?

Sun Jan 07, 2007 2:11 pm

From what i hear around this board is that the yields are not that great to use a 777, the flagship of most of the American carriers fleets to Hawaii. AA typically has their 777's in a 3-class configuration and could definately fill the front up easier on other routes.
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RE: Why So Few 777's In HNL?

Sun Jan 07, 2007 2:18 pm

Quoting BAalltheway (Thread starter):
urther, only Korean and JAL occasionally fly theirs into HNL, very rarely though. They typically use the 744 or the DC-10. I never saw anything but a few United 777s and they were few and far between...

Actually, KE uses their 777 more often than the 744 between HNL and ICN. Take a look at JL and you'll notice that about 95% of their flights are on 747s, vice the DC-10 which (IIRC) was recently phased out of their fleet.


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RE: Why So Few 777's In HNL?

Sun Jan 07, 2007 2:58 pm

The 777's are used more for the higher yield routes, as most of them have dedicated First, Business, and Coach cabins, depending on the airline. And even those flown in a two-cabin configuration (CO, DL), you see a very high number of Business/First seats, which the HNL market really doesn't need.
 
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RE: Why So Few 777's In HNL?

Sun Jan 07, 2007 3:19 pm

Quoting 777fan (Reply 5):
the DC-10 which (IIRC) was recently phased out of their fleet.

Do you know what they replaced them with? More 744's or 743's perhaps?
 
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RE: Why So Few 777's In HNL?

Sun Jan 07, 2007 3:34 pm

I woud imagine most are on long haul runs,the range on those things are close to 8k miles
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RE: Why So Few 777's In HNL?

Sun Jan 07, 2007 5:25 pm

JAL didn't replace the DC-10 with anything - they were only being used on high density domestic and international holiday routes that are traditionally very low yield.
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RE: Why So Few 777's In HNL?

Sun Jan 07, 2007 5:58 pm

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 9):
JAL didn't replace the DC-10 with anything - they were only being used on high density domestic and international holiday routes that are traditionally very low yield.

That's true to some extent but I can assure you that the ones that used to fly to HNL were most definitely replaced by a combination of 747s (most 744s although some are Jalways 743s).


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RE: Why So Few 777's In HNL?

Sun Jan 07, 2007 6:01 pm

Quoting BAalltheway (Reply 7):
Quoting 777fan (Reply 5):
the DC-10 which (IIRC) was recently phased out of their fleet.

Do you know what they replaced them with? More 744's or 743's perhaps?

The DC-10s have been gone for over a year. Last JAL/JALways DC-10 flight from HNL was Oct 26, 2005. We now usually have 1 747-200, 3 747-300s, 1 747-400, and 1 767-300ER. The 747-400 is the only 3-class aircraft, all others are 2-class.

When we have extra sections, they are usually split between the classic 747s or 2-class 747-400s. Charters are almost always on 3-class 747s. We haven't had a 777 in HNL for a while now, but when they do come here, they are 2-class aircraft.

Quoting 777fan (Reply 5):
Actually, KE uses their 777 more often than the 744 between HNL and ICN.

Korean's 6 weekly flights are always on the 777-200ER. We used to get the 777-300 on Sundays, but was about 2 years ago.

As mentioned in other posts, other airlines have their 777s in high premium seating configuration. UA flies the 777 from the mainland because they are in a high density configuration. The domestic 777s UA flies to Hawaii from the mainland are in a 36/312 configuration, while their international 777s are in a 12/49/197 or 10/45/198 configuration. You can add up the numbers to see the difference. HNL does get 3 UA international 777s for their Japan flights, 2 to NRT and 1 to KIX.

We also have had 777 service from CO in the past. In 2002, CO flew the 777 IAH-HNL when they first started their 2nd IAH flight. CO also has ocassionaly fly the 777 through HNL, on the way to HKG for maintenance.
 
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RE: Why So Few 777's In HNL?

Sun Jan 07, 2007 6:39 pm

That's true to some extent but I can assure you that the ones that used to fly to HNL were most definitely replaced by a combination of 747s

I had thought he meant replacement as in new aircraft. The DC-10s that left the fleet were merely supplanted by existing 742s/3s/4s JL had available.

IIRC, one Jalways flight is also 763.
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