DIJKKIJK
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KLM MD11-Why No PH-KCJ?

Sun Jan 07, 2007 6:41 pm

KLM's MD11's are registered PH-KCA, KCB, KCC, KCD, KCE, KCF, KCG, KCH, KCI and KCK.

why is there no PH-KCJ? Was this regn being used by some other a/c at that time? Why this break in the sequence?

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RE: KLM MD11-Why No PH-KCJ?

Sun Jan 07, 2007 6:43 pm

Hi!

I don't really no the reason too, but infact I think KLM NEVER used the letter J in any plane of their fleet! Maybe some dutch enthusiast can clear that out ( actually I think already in the past told the reason but I forgot...).
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RE: KLM MD11-Why No PH-KCJ?

Sun Jan 07, 2007 6:51 pm

There was no HB-IWJ on the Swissair MD11 fleet but i dont know the reason
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RE: KLM MD11-Why No PH-KCJ?

Sun Jan 07, 2007 6:53 pm

Quoting CV990 (Reply 1):
think KLM NEVER used the letter J in any plane

could be. The Dutch pronounce the J as Y, but so do the Germans and LH doesn't seem to follow this rule.
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RE: KLM MD11-Why No PH-KCJ?

Sun Jan 07, 2007 7:03 pm

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Thread starter):
KLM's MD11's are registered PH-KCA, KCB, KCC, KCD, KCE, KCF, KCG, KCH, KCI and KCK.

why is there no PH-KCJ? Was this regn being used by some other a/c at that time? Why this break in the sequence?

The "J" within KLM is used for desktop models distributed by the company for public relations and is not limited to the MD11.

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RE: KLM MD11-Why No PH-KCJ?

Sun Jan 07, 2007 7:13 pm

Hi!

Well I think we have a good reason!!! I actually can confirm that, deskmodels always had the letter "J"! Thanks Starglider!
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RE: KLM MD11-Why No PH-KCJ?

Sun Jan 07, 2007 7:22 pm

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 3):
The Dutch pronounce the J as Y, but so do the Germans and LH doesn't seem to follow this rule

D-AIKJ / LH Airbus A330-300
D-ALCJ / LH Cargo MD11F
D-ACPJ / LH CRJ-701ER

so how you see it is been used by LH even if it's very rare. Another letter is V only used by D-AIGV A340-300 and Q only used by Cargo and CRJ-700.
 
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RE: KLM MD11-Why No PH-KCJ?

Sun Jan 07, 2007 7:47 pm

Just like BA dpn't use Q in their registrations, like quite a few airlines i believe...

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RE: KLM MD11-Why No PH-KCJ?

Sun Jan 07, 2007 7:51 pm

Quoting CV990 (Reply 1):
KLM NEVER used the letter J in any plane of their fleet

One exemption: PH-OFJ, which is a KLM cityhopper Fokker 100, but this was used before by KLM uk as G-UKFJ  Smile
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RE: KLM MD11-Why No PH-KCJ?

Sun Jan 07, 2007 7:55 pm

Quoting Starglider (Reply 4):
The "J" within KLM is used for desktop models distributed by the company for public relations and is not limited to the MD11.

That might be all true but.........

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RE: KLM MD11-Why No PH-KCJ?

Sun Jan 07, 2007 8:06 pm

Quoting BA777 (Reply 7):
Just like BA dpn't use Q in their registrations, like quite a few airlines i believe...

IIRC the Q is used for simulators at KLM.

Quoting MH017 (Reply 8):
One exemption: PH-OFJ, which is a KLM cityhopper Fokker 100, but this was used before by KLM uk as G-UKFJ

The F100 desktop model has the PH-KLJ registration. Maybe that's why they decided to use OFJ anyway?
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RE: KLM MD11-Why No PH-KCJ?

Sun Jan 07, 2007 8:54 pm

Quoting Starglider (Reply 4):
The "J" within KLM is used for desktop models distributed by the company for public relations and is not limited to the MD11.

Very true. In some other instances, certain letters are used to designate the simulator of te aircraft type. The A332 simulator at KL is has the G-reggo, making
PH-AOG a.k.a. "Aircraft On Ground". Quite witty.
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RE: KLM MD11-Why No PH-KCJ?

Sun Jan 07, 2007 10:25 pm

Quoting MH017 (Reply 8):
One exemption: PH-OFJ, which is a KLM cityhopper Fokker 100, but this was used before by KLM uk as G-UKFJ

Because the F100 is such a great "little" airplane, as an exception to the rules like Aviopic stated, it was decided to retain the "J" on this aircraft.  Wink
 
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RE: KLM MD11-Why No PH-KCJ?

Sun Jan 07, 2007 10:34 pm

Thanks for the clarification , starglider.
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RE: KLM MD11-Why No PH-KCJ?

Sun Jan 07, 2007 10:37 pm

Quoting BA777 (Reply 7):
Just like BA dpn't use Q in their registrations, like quite a few airlines i believe...

As far as I know the letter Q is not supported by the CAA in British G- registrations.
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RE: KLM MD11-Why No PH-KCJ?

Mon Jan 08, 2007 12:32 am

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 13):
Thanks for the clarification , starglider.

Glad to be of help.

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