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747 Gear Door Falling Off...

Mon Jan 08, 2007 1:25 pm

Searched, and didn't see anything...

http://www.nbc4.tv/news/10690659/detail.html

Kalitta Air had a gear door fall off one of their 747s being used on a military charter; it had an emergency landing at LAX ... anyone know which plane this was?
 
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RE: 747 Gear Door Falling Off...

Mon Jan 08, 2007 1:33 pm

It was N717CK ....I was on the hill
 
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RE: 747 Gear Door Falling Off...

Mon Jan 08, 2007 11:53 pm

I seem to remember an engine falling of one of their birds not to long ago over the Great Lakes.

Do they even have a maintenance schedule??
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RE: 747 Gear Door Falling Off...

Tue Jan 09, 2007 12:34 am

Quoting UnattendedBag (Reply 2):
Do they even have a maintenance schedule??

When something falls off, they put a new one on...seems fairly straight-forward to me. What, you don't think that qualifies as a 'schedule'? Oh, um, guess I see your point...  Smile

After hearing about the engine falling off over the Great Lakes, I'm kind of concerned that I might possibly be -under- one of those birds, let alone flying on one.

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RE: 747 Gear Door Falling Off...

Tue Jan 09, 2007 12:41 am

Quoting UnattendedBag (Reply 2):
I seem to remember an engine falling of one of their birds not to long ago over the Great Lakes.

Do they even have a maintenance schedule??

I was thinking the same thing. What is going on at K4?

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20041028X01714&key=1

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RE: 747 Gear Door Falling Off...

Tue Jan 09, 2007 12:45 am

At least your link specified the door and made it somewhat accurate. The first I heard about it was http://news.yahoo.com/s/kcra/20070108/lo_kcra/10690889 and I was trying to figure out why they pushed on all the way to LA missing 'a door'. Guess it makes sense when you know it's not "The Door"  Smile
 
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RE: 747 Gear Door Falling Off...

Tue Jan 09, 2007 12:46 am

Quoting UnattendedBag (Reply 2):
I seem to remember an engine falling of one of their birds not to long ago over the Great Lakes.

This is the bird that the engine fell off of:


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...and this is apparently the bird that the gear door fell off of:


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RE: 747 Gear Door Falling Off...

Tue Jan 09, 2007 12:47 am

Would be a cool souvenir.

Quoting UnattendedBag (Reply 2):
I seem to remember an engine falling of one of their birds not to long ago over the Great Lakes.

Would be an even cooler souvenir.
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RE: 747 Gear Door Falling Off...

Tue Jan 09, 2007 12:51 am

Quoting UnattendedBag (Reply 2):
I seem to remember an engine falling of one of their birds not to long ago over the Great Lakes.

At this rate it Kalitta should change the name to Air Leprosy as it is dropping parts all over the place.

What door was it?
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RE: 747 Gear Door Falling Off...

Tue Jan 09, 2007 12:55 am

The one that lost the engine was repaired and sitting in mem 4 or 5 days later on a charter,, infact 4 747,s they had were here and one was white..
i can see for 80 miles
 
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RE: 747 Gear Door Falling Off...

Tue Jan 09, 2007 12:56 am

Quoting Scottieprecord (Thread starter):
Kalitta Air had a gear door fall off one of their 747s

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C...3/history/20070107/2014Z/KSUU/KLAX


I wonder if the transponder beacon was attached to the door!
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RE: 747 Gear Door Falling Off...

Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:38 am

Here's an image provided by the local online paper. Link to the article is also below:



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RE: 747 Gear Door Falling Off...

Tue Jan 09, 2007 6:08 am

Quoting KATL757 (Reply 11):

Man, that would suck too have that fall on you!!!!!
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RE: 747 Gear Door Falling Off...

Tue Jan 09, 2007 6:36 am

how did they know that a gear door fell off? did someone from the groud, like ATC see something fall off and let em' know?
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RE: 747 Gear Door Falling Off...

Tue Jan 09, 2007 7:19 am

Quoting Memphis (Reply 13):
how did they know that a gear door fell off? did someone from the groud, like ATC see something fall off and let em' know?

I would guess that the cavity that the gear bay is will produce a rather loud noise when air flows into it that is not supposed to sound with doors closed, and also a warning light that the door is not locked in place, or?
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RE: 747 Gear Door Falling Off...

Tue Jan 09, 2007 7:37 am

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 7):
Would be an even cooler souvenir.

Just don't try to catch it.  ouch 
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RE: 747 Gear Door Falling Off...

Tue Jan 09, 2007 7:48 am

Looks like a nose gear door
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RE: 747 Gear Door Falling Off...

Tue Jan 09, 2007 7:57 am

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 7):
Would be an even cooler souvenir

Hey, go swimming for it. They think it's only 240 feet deep.
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RE: 747 Gear Door Falling Off...

Tue Jan 09, 2007 8:05 am

Isn't Kalitta Hungarian for "Look out below!"?
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RE: 747 Gear Door Falling Off...

Tue Jan 09, 2007 8:16 am

Quoting KATL757 (Reply 11):

That looks to me to be half of one of the folding main gear doors which cover the fuselage mounted main gear. It looks perfectly rectangular unlike the nose gear doors, which have two 90 degree cuts in their shape. It also has an indention where the wheel would be sitting in its retracted position.
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RE: 747 Gear Door Falling Off...

Tue Jan 09, 2007 8:27 am



Wonder where the other half of the door went.
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RE: 747 Gear Door Falling Off...

Tue Jan 09, 2007 10:27 am

Did anyone actually SEE the door liberate itself from the airplane? Huh?

Just because a Kalitta bird lands without a gear door and there COINCIDENTALLY happens to be a gear door on the ground below the flight path that the plane JUST HAPPENED to be over, why do you ASSUME that you can connect the dots and that the plane and parts belong together?

Pretty presumptuous I think. Hmmmm....
 
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RE: 747 Gear Door Falling Off...

Tue Jan 09, 2007 11:50 am

Quoting JohnKrist (Reply 14):
I would guess that the cavity that the gear bay is will produce a rather loud noise when air flows into it that is not supposed to sound with doors closed, and also a warning light that the door is not locked in place, or?

I know that in the 727/737 cockpits, we hear every sound from the nose gear and nose gear doors - but I almost doubt they'd hear anything at all in a 747 flight deck. There is quite a bit of metal between the cockpit floor and the nose gear bay, and it's quite a distance too.

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RE: 747 Gear Door Falling Off...

Tue Jan 09, 2007 1:06 pm

Quoting Memphis (Reply 13):
how did they know that a gear door fell off? did someone from the groud, like ATC see something fall off and let em' know?

The big red gear door missing light would certainly be luminated.
 
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RE: 747 Gear Door Falling Off...

Tue Jan 09, 2007 1:33 pm

Quoting Jeffry747 (Reply 20):
Wonder where the other half of the door went.

There's nothing missing from that door, both doors are shaped like that.
 
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RE: 747 Gear Door Falling Off...

Tue Jan 09, 2007 1:58 pm

Quoting UnattendedBag (Reply 2):
I seem to remember an engine falling of one of their birds not to long ago over the Great Lakes.

Do they even have a maintenance schedule??

Good God, and engine? Several tons of steel... that's horrible. I can't imagine what an engine dropped from cruising altitude would do to whatever it hit. That's awful, it makes me think of the movie Donnie Darko.
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RE: 747 Gear Door Falling Off...

Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:09 pm

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 25):
Good God, and engine? Several tons of steel... that's horrible. I can't imagine what an engine dropped from cruising altitude would do to whatever it hit. That's awful, it makes me think of the movie Donnie Darko.

Can you imagine sitting out in the lake in a small fishing boat and all of the sudden this smoking heap of metal falls (at an insane speed) out of the sky and lands in the water next to you?

That would be a wild splash and certainly would have been incredible to see.


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RE: 747 Gear Door Falling Off...

Fri Jan 12, 2007 3:30 am

Quoting Aogdesk (Reply 21):
Did anyone actually SEE the door liberate itself from the airplane? Huh?

Just because a Kalitta bird lands without a gear door and there COINCIDENTALLY happens to be a gear door on the ground below the flight path that the plane JUST HAPPENED to be over, why do you ASSUME that you can connect the dots and that the plane and parts belong together?

Pretty presumptuous I think. Hmmmm....

Considering the door looked pretty intact, I'm sure it has serial numbers or something else on it that can be traced back to Kalitta. That is, of course, assuming they actually keep maintenance records....!

But even without serial numbers, it sure would be one hell of a coincidence don't you think? Especially if they can estimate the time the door fell the to ground and figure out if the 747 was on final at that time.
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RE: 747 Gear Door Falling Off...

Fri Jan 12, 2007 3:56 am

I used to work for these people scary place thats all I have to say!
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RE: 747 Gear Door Falling Off...

Fri Jan 12, 2007 4:06 am

Quoting Aogdesk (Reply 21):
Just because a Kalitta bird lands without a gear door and there COINCIDENTALLY happens to be a gear door on the ground below the flight path that the plane JUST HAPPENED to be over, why do you ASSUME that you can connect the dots and that the plane and parts belong together?

Sure, it could have fell off the UPS truck that was delivering one of my souvenirs that day. I wondered what happened to that order!
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RE: 747 Gear Door Falling Off...

Fri Jan 12, 2007 4:57 am

if something falls off a plane and lands on my property do I have the right to keep it??? (I mean I'l let the FAA, NTSB look at it but do I have to give it back to the airline??)
 
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RE: 747 Gear Door Falling Off...

Fri Jan 12, 2007 5:11 am

Quoting Trex8 (Reply 30):
if something falls off a plane and lands on my property do I have the right to keep it??? (I mean I'l let the FAA, NTSB look at it but do I have to give it back to the airline??)

Just a hunch, but it could be taken by the NTSB or FAA as "evidence" should there be legalities later on. I would think the homeowner does not have ownership rights to a piece of airliner that falls from the sky.

Imagine that there is a minor car accident outside your home and a car ends up on your front lawn and needs to be towed away. Does this mean the homeowner owns the car that ended up on their lawn? No.
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RE: 747 Gear Door Falling Off...

Fri Jan 12, 2007 5:49 am

Quoting Aogdesk (Reply 21):
Did anyone actually SEE the door liberate itself from the airplane? Huh?

Just because a Kalitta bird lands without a gear door and there COINCIDENTALLY happens to be a gear door on the ground below the flight path that the plane JUST HAPPENED to be over, why do you ASSUME that you can connect the dots and that the plane and parts belong together?

I mean, it's not quite as clear-cut as the peice of airplane with FEDEX painted on it that landed in someone's front yard (and was then picked up by a FedEx truck), but you'd have to be one hell of an attorney to convince me that the two aren't related.

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RE: 747 Gear Door Falling Off...

Fri Jan 12, 2007 8:36 am

Saw on a TV news clip that the door had a JAL tag with serial numbers on it. Most of Kalitta's 747's are ex JAL. Should be easy to trace.

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RE: 747 Gear Door Falling Off...

Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:48 am

Quoting ExBAga (Reply 33):
Saw on a TV news clip that the door had a JAL tag with serial numbers on it. Most of Kalitta's 747's are ex JAL. Should be easy to trace.

I saw that too - I wondered if it really meant "Japan Air Lines" or just coincidentally had JAL in the part number. I mean, why would Boeing put the operators name in a serial number?

Either way, I agree that it should be a piece of cake to figure out where it came from. I'd start with the airline that is missing that same piece from one of their birds....!  Smile
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RE: 747 Gear Door Falling Off...

Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:20 pm

Quoting ExBAga (Reply 33):
Saw on a TV news clip that the door had a JAL tag with serial numbers on it. Most of Kalitta's 747's are ex JAL. Should be easy to trace.



From the looks of the earliest photos of this aircraft in the database, it was delivered to AA in 1971. It was converted to a freighter (still with AA) in 1976 and served in that role until at least 1983.

Not sure what it was doing for the rest of the 80's, but it was working for UPS in the mid-90's until late 2002/early 2003. She then moved on to Kalitta.

One thing is for sure - this old girl has a pathetic amount of miles under her belt!


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RE: 747 Gear Door Falling Off...

Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:30 pm

wow, good job no one got injured.

off on a tangent, is it only me or are those news websites 90% advertisement and 10% story! Really annoying to see that much mess on a page.
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RE: 747 Gear Door Falling Off...

Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:32 pm

If I were in the business of regulating airlines, if an entire engine fell off an airliner while in flight, I would be very interested in figuring out whether something serious is wrong with the operator of that airliner. It would not be very healthful, if such an engine fell over populated areas, for anyone below to be struck by tons of churning, heated turbine. I think that anyone so struck might have to be identified by scraps of DNA.

Reading this thread makes me want to do research on the airline in question.
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RE: 747 Gear Door Falling Off...

Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:06 pm

Quoting FlyLKU (Reply 18):
Isn't Kalitta Hungarian for "Look out below!"?

I think what you mean is "Kilatas" which is for a "look out", as in a scenic view.


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