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LCF (Dreamlifter) Leaving For Centrair Nagoya

Wed Jan 10, 2007 1:18 am

According to FlightAware, BOE 876 (Dreamlifer, LCF, BUFF, whatever) will be leaving Boeing Field at 21:42 GMT (1:42 PM local) today January 9th going to Centrair and arriving at 08:30 GMT on January 10th.

This is to pick up parts for the first 787 and transport them to Charleston, SC for integration with Italian and US built fuselage sections.

Does anyone know what parts they are transporting (central wing box, mid-fuselage, etc.)?

You spotters in Nagoya look out tomorrow afteroon!

[Edited 2007-01-09 17:25:48]
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RE: LCF (Dreamlifter) Leaving For Centrair Nagoya

Wed Jan 10, 2007 1:31 am

Let's hope it wont drop the parts on its way again  Wink
 
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RE: LCF (Dreamlifter) Leaving For Centrair Nagoya

Wed Jan 10, 2007 1:36 am

Quoting Danny (Reply 1):
Let's hope it wont drop the parts on its way again

Just as longas it's nothing vital, like the 787 parts. Congrats to Boeing. They've kept pretty close to schedule and now starting to hit it production marks. They've done quite well for a very risky program and kudos should go out to the Boeig engineers and technicians as well as the 787 program management. They've done quite well.
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RE: LCF (Dreamlifter) Leaving For Centrair Nagoya

Wed Jan 10, 2007 1:50 am

Pics or it didn't happen!
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RE: LCF (Dreamlifter) Leaving For Centrair Nagoya

Wed Jan 10, 2007 2:21 am

Quoting NYC777 (Thread starter):
Does anyone know what parts they are transporting (central wing box, mid-fuselage, etc.)?

This should be the wing box and mid-fuse from Fuji and Kawasaki from what i've heard. Both of those peices will go to Charleston and joined with peices from Alenia (Italy) and peices they built.

Eventually they will all make its way back to Everett as one HUMONGOUS peice for frame#1  Smile
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RE: LCF (Dreamlifter) Leaving For Centrair Nagoya

Wed Jan 10, 2007 2:26 am

When's the first plane due to unveiled is it April?
 
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RE: LCF (Dreamlifter) Leaving For Centrair Nagoya

Wed Jan 10, 2007 3:03 am

The first one shouldbe unveiled around June or July. It supposed to be painted in June.
now that 787 parts are being built and are traveling., I thought it apropo to link to an article written by Dominic Gates in 2005:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...ology/2002486348_787global11.html>

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RE: LCF (Dreamlifter) Leaving For Centrair Nagoya

Wed Jan 10, 2007 3:28 am

I'll be out there tomorrow around 1500 local in case they're early.

Caught the loading equipment in ready position at spot 404 today:

http://www.pbase.com/cityflyer/image/72852061/original.jpg
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RE: LCF (Dreamlifter) Leaving For Centrair Nagoya

Wed Jan 10, 2007 3:57 am

Thanks for that recap NYC777.

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 7):
I'll be out there tomorrow around 1500 local in case they're early.

Caught the loading equipment in ready position at spot 404 today:

As "plain" as that pic is... it might be one of my favorites. Knowing the potential that will be loaded at that location. That is a very important peice of equipment and tarmac.  Smile
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RE: LCF (Dreamlifter) Leaving For Centrair Nagoya

Wed Jan 10, 2007 4:14 am

No problem Beech! Yeah it looks as if they're ready out there in Japan. Tehy even have the tractor out there to swing and suppoirt the tail for loading ops. How long will the Dreamlifter be out there in Japan? I would thik less than 24 hours.
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RE: LCF (Dreamlifter) Leaving For Centrair Nagoya

Wed Jan 10, 2007 4:26 am

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 8):
As "plain" as that pic is... it might be one of my favorites. Knowing the potential that will be loaded at that location.

It's like the opening scene in starwars where all the soldiers are waiting for darth vader to blast through the door. waiting, waiting...
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RE: LCF (Dreamlifter) Leaving For Centrair Nagoya

Wed Jan 10, 2007 6:07 am

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 9):
How long will the Dreamlifter be out there in Japan? I would thik less than 24 hours.

Yes... the parts are too be delivered to Vought in Charleston, SC on the 12th. So they will be there a day or so.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 10):
It's like the opening scene in starwars where all the soldiers are waiting for darth vader to blast through the door. waiting, waiting...

Good visual...  Smile This is all very exciting...
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RE: LCF (Dreamlifter) Leaving For Centrair Nagoya

Wed Jan 10, 2007 6:38 am

And she's away. The Dreamlifter is on it's way to Nagoya and should be there in about 11 hours.
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RE: LCF (Dreamlifter) Leaving For Centrair Nagoya

Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:50 am

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 12):
And she's away. The Dreamlifter is on it's way to Nagoya and should be there in about 11 hours.

So does that mean she's received FAA certification?
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RE: LCF (Dreamlifter) Leaving For Centrair Nagoya

Wed Jan 10, 2007 8:38 am

While looking through the Boeing website for a press release about the certification, I stumbled upon the November 2006 BOEING FRONTIERS: Main Story.. an informative .PDF on the LCF:

http://www.boeing.com/news/frontiers...hive/2006/november/mainfeature.pdf

Only article I found pertaining to certification:

http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?C...d20e83-ba15-4051-a98f-c5fdab510fa2

I wonder if it will be using the call sign "Boeing 876" instead of "Experimental".. Safe flying!
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RE: LCF (Dreamlifter) Leaving For Centrair Nagoya

Wed Jan 10, 2007 9:42 am

Anyone know when the 2nd LCF will be flying? I'd think it would have to be fairly soon if they want to stay on schedule.
 
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RE: LCF (Dreamlifter) Leaving For Centrair Nagoya

Wed Jan 10, 2007 10:17 am

Fantastic! Can't wait to see them mate the first sections together! Awesome progress on the most advanced airliner ever developed.
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RE: LCF (Dreamlifter) Leaving For Centrair Nagoya

Wed Jan 10, 2007 11:37 am

Quoting ER757 (Reply 15):
Anyone know when the 2nd LCF will be flying? I'd think it would have to be fairly soon if they want to stay on schedule.

It shouild arrive in Seattle within the next couple of weeks I think. Tey're saying very very shortly. I think it'll be pressed into service by early February.
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RE: LCF (Dreamlifter) Leaving For Centrair Nagoya

Wed Jan 10, 2007 3:30 pm

Aaron747,

Thanks for the shot of the loader. I was at NGO today about noon, four hours too early for the LCF. I wanted to snap a few pics of loader and tractor, but couldn't get anything worthwhile on my little camera. I am really looking forward to seeing the old girl at NGO and thanks for all the trips out to NGO.

Looking forward to your posting the pictures.

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RE: LCF (Dreamlifter) Leaving For Centrair Nagoya

Wed Jan 10, 2007 3:48 pm

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 13):
So does that mean she's received FAA certification?

No change to the TCDS or an STC that I could see on the FAA website.
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RE: LCF (Dreamlifter) Leaving For Centrair Nagoya

Thu Jan 11, 2007 12:01 am

It must be depressing for some folks out there. "What?! Are they serious about this plastic plane? We thought the Americans were just bluffing... just like with Enron"
 
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RE: LCF (Dreamlifter) Leaving For Centrair Nagoya

Thu Jan 11, 2007 12:20 am

When they called Centrair tower for approach clearance tonight they identified themselves as Experimental following the Boeing callsign. That would seem to suggest they've yet to be certified.
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RE: LCF (Dreamlifter) Leaving For Centrair Nagoya

Thu Jan 11, 2007 1:52 am

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 21):
When they called Centrair tower for approach clearance tonight they identified themselves as Experimental following the Boeing callsign. That would seem to suggest they've yet to be certified.

It has not been certified yet. Untill that point LCF#1 will be "Experimental Boeing 876 Heavy."

An interesing tidbit... though the actual operation of the LCF's have been outsourced to Evergreen, a source close to the operation (my neighbor) has advised me that Boeing pilots will be being "outsourced to" by Evergreen to fly them. LOL
Also some may not know... Evergreen outsourced to Cargolux to operate the Atlantic route from Italy to Charleston/Everett. I would assume again by Boeing pilots...
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RE: LCF (Dreamlifter) Leaving For Centrair Nagoya

Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:08 am

So it comes down to that Boeig pilots are flying Boeing planes. Why do all that? Jsut have Boeing run the ops using their pilots? I don't know if that saves money or not though.

I hope to see pics of the full production barrels soon. Don't suppose anyone out there has taken any?
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RE: LCF (Dreamlifter) Leaving For Centrair Nagoya

Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:13 am

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 23):
So it comes down to that Boeig pilots are flying Boeing planes. Why do all that? Jsut have Boeing run the ops using their pilots? I don't know if that saves money or not though.

It depends on who has the most efficient (cost wise) setup to maintain the aircraft, fuel the aircraft and deal with flight employee payroll et al.

Surprisingly, the answer may not be Boeing because they may not have a support structure built to handle the kind of operations the LCF will be undertaking, so they would be better off having the aircraft operated by a dedicated cargo operator.

Its all for cost reasons.
 
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RE: LCF (Dreamlifter) Leaving For Centrair Nagoya

Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:56 am

It will be very exiting to see how the LCF is loaded, and how the parts look like. Keep the pictures coming.. Smile

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RE: LCF (Dreamlifter) Leaving For Centrair Nagoya

Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:00 am

Will this plane be maintained like a military jet, more downtown than uptime and lots of continuous maintenance to make sure it's always performing 100% when needed? I would assume that any service disruptions would be very damaging to their schedule.
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RE: LCF (Dreamlifter) Leaving For Centrair Nagoya

Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:33 am

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 24):
so they would be better off having the aircraft operated by a dedicated cargo operator.

Ding ding ding!  Smile We have a winner Johnny!
That is the assumption... Boeing is not in the place to have to maintain a fleet of Uber-freighters and built hundreds of planes. Especially when you can get the best cargo airlines in the world who specialize in 747's to do it. And then you get your own guys to fly it.  Smile

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 26):
Will this plane be maintained like a military jet, more downtown than uptime and lots of continuous maintenance to make sure it's always performing 100% when needed? I would assume that any service disruptions would be very damaging to their schedule.

Considering anytime this plane in on the ground its being mobbed by crew and machine and that its going to have to have a 100% usability i would assume it will get checked over and maintained better than any other 747 has (except maybe the City of Everett.)
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RE: LCF (Dreamlifter) Leaving For Centrair Nagoya

Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:40 am

Quoting Andhen (Reply 25):
It will be very exiting to see how the LCF is loaded, and how the parts look like. Keep the pictures coming..

For you and any others who may have missed the LCF Loader shots... here is a link to some.
http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2006/q2/060612d_pr.html
This is what it will look like when being loaded.... Quite amazing!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Boeing_747-400LCF_2.jpg
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RE: LCF (Dreamlifter) Leaving For Centrair Nagoya

Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:06 am

Wow that was a massive loader, wonder how much weight it can carry.. By the way, what is the heaviest part of the dreamliner, I guess it is the centerwingsection..
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RE: LCF (Dreamlifter) Leaving For Centrair Nagoya

Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:10 am

Quoting Andhen (Reply 29):
Wow that was a massive loader, wonder how much weight it can carry

It can carry up to 68 (Imperial) tons.
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RE: LCF (Dreamlifter) Leaving For Centrair Nagoya

Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:18 am

Quoting Andhen (Reply 29):
Wow that was a massive loader, wonder how much weight it can carry.. By the way, what is the heaviest part of the dreamliner, I guess it is the centerwingsection..

Yeah she is a beast...

The heaviest part it will have to carry is the one in the CGI image. The forward fues/center fues/wingbox/aft fues section once it has been all put together in Charleston, SC. This will be as long 103ft, 109ft and 112ft (barely fits into the LCF) for the 787-3/8, -9 and -10 respectivly. I can't telll ya the weights on these but i can tell ya they are lighter than you expect.  Smile
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