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Jet Airways India To Join The Qualiflyer Alliance

Mon Jul 17, 2000 8:04 pm

I have just read in a magazine that Jet Airways wants to join Qualiflyer but cannot do so because the Indian Government forbids domestic carriers from joining alliances. Will they do so?

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RE: Jet Airways India To Join The Qualiflyer Alliance

Mon Jul 17, 2000 9:49 pm

Reno-Air,

where did you find this information ?? I wonder why
Qualiflyer would accept a domestic carrier while it could
be more interesting to have strong links with Air India
that can provide code-shared flights from/to Europe,
Asia, Africa and Americas !! The key of code-sharing
is to put your own clients on an aircraft of a
partner, how could Swissair puts its clients in flights
to Bombay for example while Jet Arways doesn't serve
nor Brussels neither Zurich or Lisbon !!  In the same
way, do you think the Qualiflyer clients have a big
demand for indian domestic destinations ?? are you
kidding us ??  

Jet Airways won't never join Qualiflyer mainly because they are not interesting while Air India is !!

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RE: Jet Airways India To Join The Qualiflyer Alliance

Mon Jul 17, 2000 10:52 pm

The difference between Air India and Jet Airways is that Jet is a professionally run carrier with Modern planes, an impeccable safety record, superb in-flight service, and Air India is a shoddy state-run, labor strife ridden mess. Swissair have daily flights into both Bombay and Delhi and could run a seamless service into other indian cities via the qualifyer alliance.
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RE: Jet Airways India To Join The Qualiflyer Alliance

Mon Jul 17, 2000 11:22 pm

Jet Airways is an ideal partner for the Qualiflier Group.
Swissair/Sabena is looking for a DOMESTIC partner in India to feed their flights to Europe, and to disperse passengers coming from Europe.
SN will offer daily flights to Madras in the future, as all the flights to MAA are completely full! India is a goldmine for airlines...
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RE: Jet Airways India To Join The Qualiflyer Alliance

Mon Jul 17, 2000 11:23 pm

Jaysit,

Maybe Jet Airways is better managed than AI but
believe me or not Qualiflyer is not interested by
indian domestic airliners...!! For sure they have daily
flights to India but these lines are not the best part
of their market compared to USA for example...how
many Swissair/Sabena/TAP/etc..clients fly to India
each year ?? ok they can come from other parts of
the world but the demand is not growing up in front
the offer so no need to have a partner in India !!
be more realistic in front of the market !! why don't
they have agreement with Jet Blue of NYC or
US Airways while they have more traffic with USA ??
do you think India is their best market so it worth to
invest there...??...c'mon Jaysit...

India is not the targeted market of Qualiflyer...it should
be better "international" routes and they are looking
now for a "international" partner and not a domestic
one..I mean mainly an asian partner...!!
 
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RE: Jet Airways India To Join The Qualiflyer Alliance

Mon Jul 17, 2000 11:27 pm

hi A330,

So is this information true ?? damn....it's very strange
to hear about that.....I know India could be a goldmine
but how many europeans fly to this "continent" in face
of other destinations ?? would it be more clever to
code-share with domestic US and asian partners ????

Anyway...maybe I was wrong with qualiflier....ouppss...
and apologizes / ....

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RE: Jet Airways India To Join The Qualiflyer Alliance

Mon Jul 17, 2000 11:56 pm

The size of the market is not the only criteria by which airlines are choosen or inducted into alliances. Mexicana of Mexico is part of the Star Alliance and they are primarily a domestic/regional carrier.

As far as traffic into India is concerned, Swissair and Sabena together have 18 flights into India, which represents a 200% increase in total pax since 1995. It isn't Swissair's largest market by far, but it is an important market. Additionally, European carriers carry a sizeable percentage of the business traffic to and from India, so Business/First Class yields are high. With Air India up for grabs, it will undoubtedly be inducted into a large alliance as well, so perhaps both SR and Jet may benefit from this alliance.

The absence of major US carriers in the SR group's qualifyer alliance rests on other factors. JetBlue for instance does not offer business class on its flights and is limited in its operations. Business class fares in India on the other hand are high - and very often sold out.
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RE: Jet Airways India To Join The Qualiflyer Alliance

Tue Jul 18, 2000 1:35 am

Jet Airways is already allied pretty deeply with Northwest/KLM, and I don't see that relationship changing in the near future.
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RE: Jet Airways India To Join The Qualiflyer Alliance

Tue Jul 18, 2000 2:21 am

India is a heavy increasing market, it is becoming more and more important. As I know the daily SR flights between ZRH and Mumbai and ZRH and Dehli have a very good load factor.
To TCA256: Swissair and Sabena do have codeshare partners in the U.S.: American Airlines (from ZRH soon 80 destinations within the states) and US Airways.
 
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RE: Jet Airways India To Join The Qualiflyer Alliance

Tue Jul 18, 2000 3:40 am

Just an important information: The Swissair Zurich-Mumbai flights are codeshared with Air India (AI)

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Tue Jul 18, 2000 5:11 am

Hello,

Here is what I read on yahoo.fr's press releases:

The Indian government is to sale 60% of Air India and Air France will bid for a stake in the Indian carrier.


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RE: Jet Airways India To Join The Qualiflyer Alliance

Tue Jul 18, 2000 5:17 am

So qualiflyer needs another partner in India....I think Jet Airways is just perfect. Swissair and Sabena fly from europe to India (BOM;DEL;MADRAS) and Jet Airways makes the inland flights. For me this would be a interesting, good way for Qualiflyer of serving this HUGE country (more than 1'000'000'000 inhabitant!).
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Tue Jul 18, 2000 9:35 am

Don't count on AF getting that stake!! There are many interested airlines out there including SQ; VS; BA and possibly, LH and SR!! Unfortunately (and this is where DL really shot itself in the foot), AF is not in a strong alliance. SQ would dearly love that stake =- they've been interested in running an Indian airline to complement their own Indian routes for a long time now.
 
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RE: Jet Airways India To Join The Qualiflyer Alliance

Tue Jul 18, 2000 10:25 am

Yah, they have a billion people, but the majority cant afford to fly, let alone take a long train ride! The middle class is about 250 million, and not even all of them can afford to fly.

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RE: Jet Airways India To Join The Qualiflyer Alliance

Tue Jul 18, 2000 1:18 pm

It's true that most indians can't afford to fly. But, if you look at the rate at which indian computer professionals floading the whole world, there is a need to double the number of flights every 2 years, just to meet the demand.
 
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RE: Jet Airways India To Join The Qualiflyer Alliance

Tue Jul 18, 2000 4:11 pm

AF has a slim-to-none chance of securing the 25% interest in AI that the Indian govt. will permit a foreign carrier to hold.

With AI all but ready to sign a lease deal with SQ for 6 A310s, 2 747-300s and 1 747-400, the ties between AI and the SQ group of carriers (VS and NZ included) will be strengthened even more.
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