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DL17 BOM-MAN-JFK?

Wed Jan 10, 2007 8:09 am

Any idea why DL17 is flying via MAN tomorrow morning? (Arrives 0520, leaving 0640).
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RE: DL17 BOM-MAN-JFK?

Wed Jan 10, 2007 8:12 am

Quoting Gkirk (Thread starter):
Any idea why DL17 is flying via MAN tomorrow morning? (Arrives 0520, leaving 0640).
A/c is N866DA

Probably fuel stop. Winds have been a bitch lately. Does DL's site show it?
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RE: DL17 BOM-MAN-JFK?

Wed Jan 10, 2007 8:14 am

Delta.com shows it's being diverted, arriving MAN at 6:33am and departing MAN at 7:40am....I, too, agree it's likely a fuel stop with a strong headwind...the BOM to JFK is quite a range for the 777-200 nonstop.
 
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RE: DL17 BOM-MAN-JFK?

Wed Jan 10, 2007 8:17 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 1):
Does DL's site show it?

Is shown on delta.com. Scheduled arrival time to MAN is 5:20am (actual 6:33am it appears). Anyway, for any MAN folks, you'd have to get up early if you want to catch a DL 777 at MAN again  Wink .

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 1):
Probably fuel stop. Winds have been a bitch lately

Is CO's DEL-EWR flight facing some troubles as well, or has it always arrived at EWR in the past days diversion-free?
 
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RE: DL17 BOM-MAN-JFK?

Wed Jan 10, 2007 8:26 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 3):
Is CO's DEL-EWR flight facing some troubles as well, or has it always arrived at EWR in the past days diversion-free?

Don't know about that flight, but a bunch of CO's 757 flights from across the pond have had to make fuel stops at Goose Bay (CYYR) both today and yesterday.
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RE: DL17 BOM-MAN-JFK?

Wed Jan 10, 2007 8:43 am

Does it really take an hour to land, taxi in, refuel, taxi out, and takeoff?
 
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RE: DL17 BOM-MAN-JFK?

Wed Jan 10, 2007 8:46 am

Delta really needs those 772-200LR's fro such a LONG route. Air India is going nonstop with the LR to JFK, so DL better get the those planes soon.
 
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RE: DL17 BOM-MAN-JFK?

Wed Jan 10, 2007 9:53 am

Is this a regular non-stop flight? Sounds really long
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RE: DL17 BOM-MAN-JFK?

Wed Jan 10, 2007 10:31 am

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 5):
Does it really take an hour to land, taxi in, refuel, taxi out, and takeoff?

I'd personally say that's a minimum. Taxiing at MAN is pretty bad and they can't exactly hot fuel it can they?  Smile
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RE: DL17 BOM-MAN-JFK?

Wed Jan 10, 2007 11:45 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 3):
Is CO's DEL-EWR flight facing some troubles as well, or has it always arrived at EWR in the past days diversion-free?

Our flight 83 (DEL-EWR) has been on-time. No diversions.
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RE: DL17 BOM-MAN-JFK?

Wed Jan 10, 2007 12:00 pm

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 6):
Delta really needs those 772-200LR's fro such a LONG route

They have 2 on order to be delivered in early 2008.

Quoting Venezuela747 (Reply 7):
Is this a regular non-stop flight?

Yes.

On the subject, i am wondering if the experts in here know/think the 777-300ER can fly nonstop to JFK-BOM all year around despite the wheather.
 
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RE: DL17 BOM-MAN-JFK?

Wed Jan 10, 2007 12:37 pm

lately our diversions have been on the inbound DEL flights......although that was due to very thick fog recently.
 
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RE: DL17 BOM-MAN-JFK?

Wed Jan 10, 2007 2:18 pm

Quoting Manny (Reply 10):
They have 2 on order to be delivered in early 2008.

Yes for the new China route in 08. Big grin
 
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RE: DL17 BOM-MAN-JFK?

Wed Jan 10, 2007 2:27 pm

Quoting B777ER (Reply 12):

Yes for the new China route in 08.

ATL-PEK 6243nm
ATL-PVG 6656nm
JFK-BOM 6777nm

I would guess that the first two -LRs would go to BOM and the free -ERs would take over the China route. It also might depend on how soon the -ERs can be refit with the lie-flat BizE suites; I would assume that DL would want that product on any China route in time for the Olympics.
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RE: DL17 BOM-MAN-JFK?

Wed Jan 10, 2007 2:34 pm

I say the China route for the LR's because in its application to DOT for the route authority, if it uses the LR's it will not have payload restrictions on the westbound sector and thus will be able to offer maximum seats as well as hauling the lucrative belly cargo. The ER cannot do that. I am also assuming with UA getting IAD-PEK awarded to it, DL will go for PVG as UA out of IAD and CO out of EWR both now will be going to PEK thus nullifying DL's argument of connecting many pax to a one stop PEK service via the US east coast. PVG is a longer distance. Being able to maximize seats/cargo via the LR will be an advantage in the application.
 
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RE: DL17 BOM-MAN-JFK?

Wed Jan 10, 2007 4:18 pm

The MAN diversion for Jan 10 is a 'planned' one due to the heavy loads and winds (it was already scheduled prior to the arrival of the inbound aircraft into BOM).

The BOS diversion for Jan 8 was actually due to a sick passenger even though the winds were wicked that day (if it was for fuel, it would have diverted somewhere in Europe instead of making it all the way to BOS).

The Jan 9 flight made it nonstop despite the winds.
 
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RE: DL17 BOM-MAN-JFK?

Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:54 pm

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 9):
Our flight 83 (DEL-EWR) has been on-time. No diversions.

I see thanks for the info.

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 13):
I would guess that the first two -LRs would go to BOM and the free -ERs would take over the China route.

Most likely, especially if DL continues to have bad experiences with headwinds on BOM-JFK

Quoting Panamair (Reply 15):

Certainly interesting how there can be such differences in wind and consequently operations.
 
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RE: DL17 BOM-MAN-JFK?

Thu Jan 11, 2007 12:15 am

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 5):
Does it really take an hour to land, taxi in, refuel, taxi out, and takeoff?

Also the breaks need to cool down before the airplane rolls again. Don't know about the 777, but in a loaded 767 it may take 50 minutes to cool them off.
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RE: DL17 BOM-MAN-JFK?

Thu Jan 11, 2007 1:59 am

Quoting B777ER (Reply 12):
Quoting Manny (Reply 10):
They have 2 on order to be delivered in early 2008.

Yes for the new China route in 08. Big grin

We do not know that for sure. They do not even have the route authority as yet, do they ?

Quoting Panamair (Reply 15):
The MAN diversion for Jan 10 is a 'planned' one due to the heavy loads and winds (it was already scheduled prior to the arrival of the inbound aircraft into BOM).

Thanks for the info.
What are the load restrictions in place under normal wheather ?
 
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RE: DL17 BOM-MAN-JFK?

Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:13 am

Quoting Manny (Reply 18):
Thanks for the info.
What are the load restrictions in place under normal wheather ?

The 16 carriers little or no freight b/c of the 230+ thousand lbs. of fuel needed for the flight. We palletize about 90-100 bags to save weight
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RE: DL17 BOM-MAN-JFK?

Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:44 am

Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 19):



Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 19):
The 16 carriers little or no freight b/c of the 230+ thousand lbs. of fuel needed for the flight. We palletize about 90-100 bags to save weight

If DL 16 has so many restrictions, i wonder what restrictions would be in place for DL 17.

For those who might not know. The duration of DL 16 is 14:20 minutes and the duration of DL 17 is 16:20 minutes.
 
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RE: DL17 BOM-MAN-JFK?

Thu Jan 11, 2007 5:06 am

DL 17 is the longest scheduled flight by any US airline with any aircraft type.

DL is working to remove weight from the 777ERs to improve performance. ATLTLV will become the SHORTEST route for DL's 777s starting in the summer.... w/ 7000 SM flights the norm w/ ATLICN and ATLDXB.

I agree that DL will apply for ATLPVG now and will use the LR at least initially to take advantage of its strong performance... and provide room for cargo.
 
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RE: DL17 BOM-MAN-JFK?

Thu Jan 11, 2007 5:34 am

Quoting Manny (Reply 18):
We do not know that for sure. They do not even have the route authority as yet, do they ?

See reply 14.
 
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RE: DL17 BOM-MAN-JFK?

Thu Jan 11, 2007 5:35 am

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 21):
DL 17 is the longest scheduled flight by any US airline with any aircraft type.

In terms of flight time, yes. According to Great Circle Mapper, EWR-HKG is longer by almost 266 miles. Not to split hairs.  Wink

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RE: DL17 BOM-MAN-JFK?

Thu Jan 11, 2007 5:58 am

Please dont shoot me down if im not the 1st to mention this but have you see the google map flight status on Delta's web site. If you track a flight, stick in the flight no i.e DL17 and if is says "In Flight", click on that and it displays a map of where the flight is. Its rather cool and doesnt have to wait to get into US airspace to start tracking unlike some other flight trackers. It doesnt show you speed or height but its kinda good.

Brings me to another query. Why did DL17 divert to MAN. If you look at the track of the flight for DL17 (JAN11) it shows a straight line via the southern tip of Spain. Is that the route it takes or is it just a straight line. My question really is. If it went that type of route why not a divert to Madrid or another Delta destination. I am assuming then the route is via the UK. Seems a long way north from Bombay to New York. Just interested in the route.
 
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RE: DL17 BOM-MAN-JFK?

Thu Jan 11, 2007 6:23 am

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 5):
Does it really take an hour to land, taxi in, refuel, taxi out, and takeoff?



Quoting Britannia191a (Reply 24):
Brings me to another query. Why did DL17 divert to MAN. If you look at the track of the flight for DL17 (JAN11) it shows a straight line via the southern tip of Spain. Is that the route it takes or is it just a straight line. My question really is. If it went that type of route why not a divert to Madrid or another Delta destination. I am assuming then the route is via the UK. Seems a long way north from Bombay to New York. Just interested in the route.

Since the fuel stop was known about well ahead of time, could the reason for the hour ground time and trip to MAN be that they did a crew swap?
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RE: DL17 BOM-MAN-JFK?

Thu Jan 11, 2007 6:29 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 23):
Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 21):
DL 17 is the longest scheduled flight by any US airline with any aircraft type.

In terms of flight time, yes. According to Great Circle Mapper, EWR-HKG is longer by almost 266 miles. Not to split hairs.

If Grandma's house is out in the country and I gotta go through every traffic light in three counties to get there, that trip is longer than to Aunt Mary's house if she lives a mile from an interstate.

Or to use another analogy, it all comes down to how long you can keep it up. By that measurement, DL is still a young man.
 
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RE: DL17 BOM-MAN-JFK?

Thu Jan 11, 2007 7:55 am

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 26):
Or to use another analogy, it all comes down to how long you can keep it up. By that measurement, DL is still a young man.

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RE: DL17 BOM-MAN-JFK?

Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:17 am

Quoting Britannia191a (Reply 24):
Please dont shoot me down if im not the 1st to mention this but have you see the google map flight status on Delta's web site. If you track a flight, stick in the flight no i.e DL17 and if is says "In Flight", click on that and it displays a map of where the flight is. Its rather cool and doesnt have to wait to get into US airspace to start tracking unlike some other flight trackers. It doesnt show you speed or height but its kinda good.

It actually does show altitude and speed if you place your cursor over the aircraft. It's very cool as it also shows the land in 3 different ways.
 
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RE: DL17 BOM-MAN-JFK?

Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:18 am

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 21):
DL is working to remove weight from the 777ERs to improve performance. ATLTLV will become the SHORTEST route for DL's 777s starting in the summer.... w/ 7000 SM flights the norm w/ ATLICN and ATLDXB.

I'm assuming you mean shortest international flights, or will they discontinue flying between JFK and LAX? Don't they need to do this route for aircraft rotation?
 
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RE: DL17 BOM-MAN-JFK?

Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:19 am

sorry, meant JFK to ATL... tired
 
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RE: DL17 BOM-MAN-JFK?

Thu Jan 11, 2007 5:52 pm

Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 19):
. We palletize about 90-100 bags to save weight

What does "Palletize" mean and how does it help reduce weight?
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RE: DL17 BOM-MAN-JFK?

Thu Jan 11, 2007 7:02 pm

Quoting Britannia191a (Reply 24):
Brings me to another query. Why did DL17 divert to MAN. If you look at the track of the flight for DL17 (JAN11) it shows a straight line via the southern tip of Spain. Is that the route it takes or is it just a straight line. My question really is. If it went that type of route why not a divert to Madrid or another Delta destination. I am assuming then the route is via the UK. Seems a long way north from Bombay to New York. Just interested in the route.

Looking at the flight route now (9.49am) it shows the flightpath as having flown over the Ukraine, Poland, across to Iceland and then down the E coast of the US. I think the line you referred to was the direct line.

Looking at flightaware, this flight stopped in DUB on the 27 Dec and 2 Jan and was pencilled in for SNN on the 5th Jan, but did the flight direct.



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RE: DL17 BOM-MAN-JFK?

Thu Jan 11, 2007 7:16 pm

I'll be on DL17 BOM-JFK this coming Sunday (Jan 14) - thank goodness in Business; hopefully there will be no diversions (planned or unplanned). Will write a mini-trip report once I get back if anyone's interested.
 
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RE: DL17 BOM-MAN-JFK?

Thu Jan 11, 2007 7:37 pm

Quoting Panamair (Reply 33):
Will write a mini-trip report once I get back if anyone's interested.

Even better - make it a full TR with pictures!
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RE: DL17 BOM-MAN-JFK?

Fri Jan 12, 2007 2:22 am

Apparently this is why DL17 BOMJFK divirted to MAN:

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RE: DL17 BOM-MAN-JFK?

Fri Jan 12, 2007 3:52 am

Quoting Incitatus (Reply 17):
Also the breaks need to cool down before the airplane rolls again. Don't know about the 777, but in a loaded 767 it may take 50 minutes to cool them off.

Interesting to know - thanks.

Quoting Nimish (Reply 34):
Even better - make it a full TR with pictures!

Agree! Don't have any trip reports on this route that I've seen. I'm interested in the loads and the service.
 
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RE: DL17 BOM-MAN-JFK?

Fri Jan 12, 2007 3:58 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 23):



Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 9):

Says he whos just had a company 752 TXL-EWR stop in YVR  Silly


Seems to be the case this week, bet its pissing the passengers off, but it cannot be helped, might teach them to use bigger equipment
 
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RE: DL17 BOM-MAN-JFK?

Fri Jan 12, 2007 4:13 am

Quoting BA787 (Reply 37):
Says he whos just had a company 752 TXL-EWR stop in YVR

YVR  Confused

I think you got the wrong code there  Silly
 
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RE: DL17 BOM-MAN-JFK?

Fri Jan 12, 2007 4:21 am

Quoting ZRHnerd (Reply 38):

He probably meant YYR.
CO 757 Diverting To YYR Now (by RicardoFG Jan 11 2007 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: DL17 BOM-MAN-JFK?

Fri Jan 12, 2007 4:32 am

Shit yeah, teaches me to be a smartass  Silly