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Midwest Air Group Outlines Strategy

Wed Jan 10, 2007 11:10 pm

Midwest Air Group Outlines Strategy to Maximize Value as Stand-Alone Company

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/070110/nyw056.html?.v=83

2 more MD80's and 1 more FRJ by mid-2007.
15 Skywest CRJ's be the end of 2007 and up to 25 within the first year.

AT LEAST 6 new markets: DLH announced (SEA and MSY rumored which would leave at least 3 more in 2007)

UP TO 12 new routes: MKE-DLH is 1 (rumored SEA and MSY would be at least 2 more which would leave up to 9 more new routes)

I'm interested in watching the new service roll out in 2007!!!

[Edited 2007-01-10 15:14:05]
 
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RE: Midwest Air Group Outlines Strategy

Wed Jan 10, 2007 11:42 pm

Quoting PVD757 (Thread starter):
Midwest Air Group Outlines Strategy to Maximize Value as Stand-Alone Company

Call me cynical, but why would YX think they would be more successful with this expansion then say Airtran?

According to certain posters on this board Airtran would flame out in a year, while YX could successfully add 25 CRJ's and SIX new cities?

Wake me up at the end of the year when YX launches service to the sixth city this year. Hell, YX have they even added six new cities in the past 5 years???

Hmmm...

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RE: Midwest Air Group Outlines Strategy

Wed Jan 10, 2007 11:46 pm

Quoting PVD757 (Thread starter):
2 more MD80's

Excuse the stupid q but about six months ago didn't Midwest announce
they are pulling some MD 80's from service?
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RE: Midwest Air Group Outlines Strategy

Wed Jan 10, 2007 11:47 pm

Look at some existing YX cities that offer NS service MKE but not MCI to be some of the new routes.

SEA and MSY are good bets. RDU, SLC are good possibilities.
 
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RE: Midwest Air Group Outlines Strategy

Wed Jan 10, 2007 11:57 pm

Quoting N917ME (Reply 3):
Look at some existing YX cities that offer NS service MKE but not MCI to be some of the new routes.

BDL-MCI??
YYZ-MCI??
ATL-MCI??

I'e left out any routes that WN is already doing figuring that YX will choose not to compete on those with CRJ's???
 
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RE: Midwest Air Group Outlines Strategy

Wed Jan 10, 2007 11:59 pm

How are these CRJ200s going to be configured? If they are going to be like United or Delta's, I certainly don't see their addition as a plus. They are crampt and you can't see out the windows without breaking your neck. These aircraft don't strike me as a business class jet.

I do like the CRJ700 though. Much more comfortable.
 
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RE: Midwest Air Group Outlines Strategy

Thu Jan 11, 2007 12:04 am

Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 2):
Excuse the stupid q but about six months ago didn't Midwest announce
they are pulling some MD 80's from service?

Yes you are correct last year YX sold 2 MD-81's that were in the Signature configuration. They are adding 2 MD-88's. Big difference in payload and range. The -81's just don't have enough of either to work well in the Saver configuration.
 
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RE: Midwest Air Group Outlines Strategy

Thu Jan 11, 2007 12:05 am

Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 2):
Quoting PVD757 (Thread starter):
2 more MD80's

Excuse the stupid q but about six months ago didn't Midwest announce
they are pulling some MD 80's from service?

In later 1995 they announced they were pulling the last Signature (2x2) M80's out of scheduled service. Those aircraft were M80 versions without the weight capacity and range to work on Midwest's Saver network with a full load of 147 passengers. The M80's being acquired are capable of flying pretty much anywhere in the US from MKE or MCI with a full load.
 
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RE: Midwest Air Group Outlines Strategy

Thu Jan 11, 2007 12:05 am

Quoting Quickmover (Reply 5):
How are these CRJ200s going to be configured? If they are going to be like United or Delta's, I certainly don't see their addition as a plus. They are crampt and you can't see out the windows without breaking your neck. These aircraft don't strike me as a business class jet.

Same shitty CRJ-200's as everyone else. Nothing special, break your neck to look out the window, and be way too cramped for comfort.

[Edited 2007-01-10 16:14:35]
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RE: Midwest Air Group Outlines Strategy

Thu Jan 11, 2007 12:11 am

Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 2):
Excuse the stupid q but about six months ago didn't Midwest announce
they are pulling some MD 80's from service?
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The two "new MD-80's" are short term leases used until the replacement aircraft deliveries start.

Quoting Vivavegas (Reply 1):
Call me cynical, but why would YX think they would be more successful with this expansion then say Airtran?

Maybe because we will be using a regional jet instead of a 717 or 737. Also, YX is usually slower at expanding than say, Airtran. YX takes it time and researches the market, where say an AirTran want to just add another city on their map. YX has selected "duds" that have not worked well, adn have admitted to it. (HOU was the latetest...an unusually bad hurricane season did not help).

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 4):
I'e left out any routes that WN is already doing figuring that YX will choose not to compete on those with CRJ's???

not all new routes/city pairs will be operated by a CRJ. Some new cities will be a 717 or MD 80.

Quoting Quickmover (Reply 5):
How are these CRJ200s going to be configured?

As far as I know, the standard 50 seat set up with brown leather seats. I am not a fan of the CRJ, I would have preferred the ERJ-45.
 
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RE: Midwest Air Group Outlines Strategy

Thu Jan 11, 2007 12:16 am

Quoting N917ME (Reply 9):
Quoting Vivavegas (Reply 1):
Call me cynical, but why would YX think they would be more successful with this expansion then say Airtran?

Maybe because we will be using a regional jet instead of a 717 or 737

I can see this argument for the 737, but FL continues to state that they can run a 717 more profitable than a 50 seater rj.
 
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RE: Midwest Air Group Outlines Strategy

Thu Jan 11, 2007 12:18 am

Quoting Vivavegas (Reply 1):
Call me cynical, but why would YX think they would be more successful with this expansion then say Airtran?

According to certain posters on this board Airtran would flame out in a year, while YX could successfully add 25 CRJ's and SIX new cities?

Midwest's plans are to add 15 (not 25) CRJ's from MKE and MCI this year, plus two M80's and one FRJ. Up to ten additional CRJ's may come in 2008 or later if they choose to excercise those options.

Compare that to AirTran's public proposal to quickly grow to 150-200 flights per day out of Milwaukee only. Since it's very clear that AirTran's fare structure can't come close to making money with the small Midwest Connect aircraft, we're looking at 150-200 large aircraft per day at the MKE hub. That's overexpansion surpassing even the most fanciful growth in the early days of regulation. And note as well that AirTran's plans have never mentioned Kansas City, frankly because they don't see a future for themselves there because of the huge presence of Southwest at MCI. AirTran's growth is all for MKE, while Midwest's much more resonable level of growth is split between both places.

Which one has a better chance of succeeding?

As for doubting six new cities in 2007, that's not so tough to imagine. They already have DLH, and they have said a new one would be announced later this month to start this summer outside of CRJ program. That's likely to be SEA with some of the added M80 lift.

That only leaves four more to add, and it's pretty likely most will come at Kansas City. Places like Austin, New Orleans, Salt Lake City, Colroado Springs, Albuquerque, Raleigh, Houston, Charlotte, and Washington Dulles all come to mind as serious contenders. Then throw in a few new connect-the-dots nonstop markets like possibly MCI-EWR, MKE-SAT, MCI-CMH, MCI-MSP, etc and Midwest's plans are not so far fetched.
 
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RE: Midwest Air Group Outlines Strategy

Thu Jan 11, 2007 12:41 am

Are the CRJ-200's coming from the current fleet of SkyWest? Or will they have to acquire some that are currently stored?

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RE: Midwest Air Group Outlines Strategy

Thu Jan 11, 2007 12:50 am

Quoting Knope2001 (Reply 11):
Midwest's plans are to add 15 (not 25) CRJ's from MKE and MCI this year, plus two M80's and one FRJ

thanks for clarify what I already wrote:

Quoting PVD757 (Thread starter):
15 Skywest CRJ's be the end of 2007 and up to 25 within the first year.

"...within the first year."

the article says "after the first year" - so perhaps there is room for misinterpretation...

[Edited 2007-01-10 16:52:46]
 
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RE: Midwest Air Group Outlines Strategy

Thu Jan 11, 2007 1:12 am

Quoting N917ME (Reply 9):
YX takes it time and researches the market, where say an AirTran want to just add another city on their map.

HORSEPUCKEY!

Frankly I see the PR flurry coming from YX as desperate move to further distance themselves from Airtran. From the CRJ hook-up (I know as coming, but think was expedited to fend off Airtran) to this sudden surge in adding new cities (still waiting for someone to confirm to me how long it took to add that last 6 cities).

The final decision of desperation will be the announcement of adding A319/A320 to the fleet. This in YX's eyes will be the final dagger in this proposed merger.

This all while refusing to meet with Airtran and really performing a disservice to shareholders.

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RE: Midwest Air Group Outlines Strategy

Thu Jan 11, 2007 1:59 am

I love how they have this mega plan to generate another $350,000,000 (highest projected) in revenue in one year's time. Now all they need to do is fill every seat, every day and we'll be set.

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 8):
Same shitty CRJ-200's as everyone else. Nothing special, break your neck to look out the window, and be way too cramped for comfort.

HEHEHE..couldn't say it any better.  Silly At least they are underpowered above FL250, so that'll make up for everything. Personally I'm an ERJ/EMB person.

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 13):
"...within the first year."

the article says "after the first year" - so perhaps there is room for misinterpretation...

You have to remember that this program doesn't start until April so that'll give you the first 4 months of 2008 to add jets. Although we were told 25 jets by October/November.
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RE: Midwest Air Group Outlines Strategy

Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:01 am

Quoting Vivavegas (Reply 14):
Frankly I see the PR flurry coming from YX as desperate move to further distance themselves from Airtran. From the CRJ hook-up (I know as coming, but think was expedited to fend off Airtran) to this sudden surge in adding new cities (still waiting for someone to confirm to me how long it took to add that last 6 cities).

It has been in the works for a lot longer than you think.. at least since June 2006, that is when I was was privvy to the project (RJ and new cities) A project of this scope is not done overnight or in 3 months time.
 
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RE: Midwest Air Group Outlines Strategy

Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:05 am

Look how long it took for everyone to drag their feet and not look for investors so that they could buy their own bigger RJs. That took years! Big grin
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RE: Midwest Air Group Outlines Strategy

Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:27 am

Quoting BH (Reply 10):
I can see this argument for the 737, but FL continues to state that they can run a 717 more profitable than a 50 seater rj.

That doesn't mean a 50-seat RJ costs less to run than a 717. The truth behind AirTran's experience with 50-seat RJ's is that their pricing structure and traffic composition can't make money with 50-seat RJ's. That's a very different thing.

Larger aircraft are generally more efficient *per seat* but if too many of the seats are open, you'll still lose money.
 
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RE: Midwest Air Group Outlines Strategy

Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:31 am

I think DLH will be a good market for YX. Ever since AA pulled out of the market DLH has been served only by NW (and I think occasionally allegiant, but that doesn't really count) and fares have been sky high. Any word on whether DLH will be served with FRJ or CRJ?
 
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RE: Midwest Air Group Outlines Strategy

Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:32 am

Quoting N353SK (Reply 19):
DLH will be served with FRJ or CRJ?

FRJ.
 
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RE: Midwest Air Group Outlines Strategy

Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:38 am

Quoting Knope2001 (Reply 11):
AirTran's public proposal to quickly grow to 150-200 flights per day out of Milwaukee only.

Knope2001, I always find your thoughtful analyses very much worth reading, but IIRC, I believe that the proposal you are referring to is really the one that you speculated on based solely on the public quote by Joe that there is potential for that many flights through MKE.

To my knowledge, AirTran has offered no formal proposal--public or otherwise--of how precisely they intend to use MKE, so I'm not sure if it's exactly fair to use that as a fact. Yet.

For the while, what we know is this:

  • YX's growth plan is predicated on using 50-seat RJ's (15 confirmed, 5 in MKE & 10 in MCI) and the occasional added FRJ and MD88 with an anticipated future [replacement] fleet of 737s or 320s
  • FL's growth plan is predicated on using 717s and 737s (both rec'd and on order) and potentially a new order for 170s for thinner routes

The former suggests that MKE has very little growth potential, the latter suggests that MKE is underserved. The former is established with known O&D figures for a given premium price point, the latter is speculative based on how much traffic can be stimulated by lower fares.

IMHO, as a native Milwaukeean, while the locals are very loyal customers to YX, Midwesterners as a general rule tend to be very frugal. Their loyalty stems from a perceived value and a pride in the local business who provides it. Many have claimed that Milwaukee passengers demand the high quality product that YX offers...I think that's only part of the story. I believe that they are loyal to the YX brand for the perceived value of sitting in a first-class-like seat while paying a reasonable coach fare for it.

Therefore, this last point is most concerning: if Milwaukeeans perceive that the 50-seat RJ is not up to par with what they "know" is the YX brand and/or believe that the value isn't there, they may look elsewhere. The erosion of the Midwest brand is imbedded in this growth strategy, and thusly I fail to see where the value-added is for either FL to bump their offer or for Milwaukeeans to continue supporting them as their hometown airline.

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RE: Midwest Air Group Outlines Strategy

Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:48 am

Quoting Mikey711MN (Reply 21):
FL's growth plan is predicated on using 717s and 737s (both rec'd and on order) and potentially a new order for 170s for thinner routes

Where and when did you hear about FL possibly ordering E170s? This alone could be a whole new thread in and of itself.
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RE: Midwest Air Group Outlines Strategy

Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:54 am

Quoting Mikey711MN (Reply 21):
believe that the proposal you are referring to is really the one that you speculated on based solely on the public quote by Joe that there is potential for that many flights through MKE.

Yup, that's where it comes from. But given that they have 60 more 737 deliveries, are pretty much saturated in ATL and Florida, and have had almost zero success finding a home elsewhere in the past few years, I don't think he just made up the figure out of thin air. A serious number of 737's are bound for Milwaukee.

Quoting Mikey711MN (Reply 21):
If Milwaukeeans perceive that the 50-seat RJ is not up to par with what they "know" is the YX brand and/or believe that the value isn't there, they may look elsewhere.



Quoting Mikey711MN (Reply 21):
I believe that they are loyal to the YX brand for the perceived value of sitting in a first-class-like seat while paying a reasonable coach fare for it.

I see your point, however this is a similar argument made when the brought in the Beechcraft in 1989, and then again when the FRJ's came in 1999. Every plane that Midwest adds which is not premium seating reduces that part of their appeal, and the CRJ's are not particularly wonderful aircraft. However the premium seating alone isn't the only thing that makes people book Midwest. Frequent nonstop flights are just as important, and that's why the BE1 and FRJ didn't destroy Midwest's reputation, and the CRJ won't either. There will probably be a few 717's downgraded here and there to CRJ, but for the most part they will open up new nonstop city pairs or upgrade FRJ markets.

If they were to replace MKE-ATL and MKE-PHL and MKE-EWR with all-CRJ's, then I'd be more concerned. If it's just spotty replacement of 717 and FRJ in a few existing places and the rest of the CRJ fleet adds new nonstop destinations from Milwaukee like SAT and RDU, that's generally a net positive.
 
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RE: Midwest Air Group Outlines Strategy

Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:36 am

Quoting Mikey711MN (Reply 21):
To my knowledge, AirTran has offered no formal proposal--public or otherwise--of how precisely they intend to use MKE, so I'm not sure if it's exactly fair to use that as a fact. Yet.

The best they've done, outside of PRs about MKE "potential" is from Leonard's initial proposal letter:

"Most of the growth of the combined Midwest-AirTran occurs through 1) the expansion of the MKE hub, approximately 12 new nonstop markets and more than 40 additional mainline departures, 2) continue building the focus city in MCI with 11 new nonstop markets and about 20 more departures and 3) continued expansion of the ATL hub, both into markets served by Midwest and with the addition of new cities. "

They peg the current FL/YX operations at MKE to be 151 departures to 41 destinations. Their 2 year growth plan takes it up to 183 departures/55 destinations.

Same figures for MCI:

Currently: 32 departures/13 destinations
Two year projection: 50 departures/26 destinations
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RE: Midwest Air Group Outlines Strategy

Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:52 am

In my opinion in case anyone cares, the use of the CRJ-200 vs the EMB-145 is probably a big mistake. YX flyers are used to spacious seats and the CRJ-200 is Tuna Can city. Even if it is in all coach configuration the EMB-145 far surpasses the CRJ-200 in comfort.
I just dont understand the logic of airlines relying on these regional jets in markets when it is clear that a full sized airliners is needed.
Although I have not flown on the EMB 170 sized regional airliner, DC9-10/BAC One Eleven/Fokker F28 sized and configured aircraft is reall what is needed...The biggest problem is the Both Airbus and Boeing are too busy trying to "OutWideBody" each other to care about the smaller mainline airline needs. Its sort of like how no one in the USA bothered to build a suitable commuter turboprop airliner bigger than a 19 passenger Metro or Beech 1900...That was all left up to foreign aircraft manufacturers. The closest thing was the Fairchild F-27/FH-227 but production ened in late 1968.

The CRJ would make an ideal Bizjet and when configured with big plush "Captains Chairs" and Couches...thats great, but sticking 50 seats in one was a big mistake.......unless airlines in all honesty are transporting 50 5th grader size people......IM a big person, and I saw that most of the Normal sized people even having trouble sitting in the CRJ-200 on one of my latest flights. Pair that with YX's reputation for having spacious seats and well, duh need I say more???

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RE: Midwest Air Group Outlines Strategy

Thu Jan 11, 2007 5:36 am

I wonder if a crj200 configured 2x1 with wide seats would be economical? Probably not, but the comfort factor would improve.
 
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RE: Midwest Air Group Outlines Strategy

Thu Jan 11, 2007 5:37 am

Quoting Knope2001 (Reply 23):
If they were to replace MKE-ATL and MKE-PHL and MKE-EWR with all-CRJ's, then I'd be more concerned.

Get concerned, then. MKE-PHL will most likely see at least some CRJs on the route. It probably won't go all CRJ but either certain flights will be on skywest every day or it may go seasonally between mainline/connect service.
 
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RE: Midwest Air Group Outlines Strategy

Thu Jan 11, 2007 6:05 am

For those of you interested in where the CRJs are coming from i found this interesting:

http://www.skywest.com/media/fleet_sched.php

looking at the nummbers it looks like they will be more new aircraft, and they are only showing all 15 in service by October.
 
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RE: Midwest Air Group Outlines Strategy

Thu Jan 11, 2007 6:14 am

Quoting N353SK (Reply 27):
Quoting Knope2001 (Reply 23):
If they were to replace MKE-ATL and MKE-PHL and MKE-EWR with all-CRJ's, then I'd be more concerned.

Get concerned, then. MKE-PHL will most likely see at least some CRJs on the route. It probably won't go all CRJ but either certain flights will be on skywest every day or it may go seasonally between mainline/connect service.

They key word was *all*. All three of these markets have varied between 2 and 4 717's in the past few years, depending on season, although EWR and PHL have not been lower than 2 717 + 1 FRJ.

I don't see anything particularly wrong with supplementing 717's with CRJ's in thinner markets. Newark, for example, is one where the 717's are fairly light in the off season so they cut back flights, but Continental Express runs 4x ERJ nearly year round, giving them an advantage. Instead, Midwest could use a mix of 717's and CRJ to offer 4 flights year round, perhaps even 5 in peak season, and that would be a good thing.

In the past they have used FRJ to supplement mainline flying to Newark, Philadelphia and Washington at off-peak times or off-peak seasons. I'd be surprised if there wasn't a little of this with the CRJ's. The 717's are not going anywhere in general, and if they replace MKE-OMA with CRJ (for example) they 717 will be used to squeeze in a new flight elsewhere.

BTW, it does sound like the CRJ's will have buy-onboard meals, so at least that is one less step down from the 717's.
 
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RE: Midwest Air Group Outlines Strategy

Thu Jan 11, 2007 6:32 am

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 22):
Where and when did you hear about FL possibly ordering E170s? This alone could be a whole new thread in and of itself.

Perusing through some of the articles of threads past, this assertion of larger regional jets comes from this article.

Quoting the article:

AirTran (AAI) said it would not only retain Midwest Airlines' (MEH) regional feeder service provided by wholly owned subsidiary Skyways, it would expand the Midwest Connect operation, jettisoning plans for 50 seaters in favor of larger regional jets. The statement was made by AirTran Airways Chair and CEO Joe Leonard...

(emphasis added)

I'm sorry that I can't find the specific article that mentions the Embraer product specifically, so you may strike the E170 claim I made above. That is, until I can find the article where I believe that I read it.  angel 

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RE: Midwest Air Group Outlines Strategy

Thu Jan 11, 2007 6:59 am

I am certain that some mainline cities will get a mix of CRJ/717. Especially on "odd" times when there is demand, but not for a 717. (mid afternoon, early morning, besides Mondays).
 
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RE: Midwest Air Group Outlines Strategy

Thu Jan 11, 2007 7:28 am

Quoting N917ME (Reply 9):
Maybe because we will be using a regional jet instead of a 717 or 737. Also, YX is usually slower at expanding than say, Airtran. YX takes it time and researches the market, where say an AirTran want to just add another city on their map. YX has selected "duds" that have not worked well, adn have admitted to it.

like how FL went into PIT in 2000 and launched service to 3 US strongholds: New York (LGA), PHL, Chicago (MDW, although US uses ORD) on top of its remaining ATL and MCO and... well FLL (Sat only service). Ummm... need I explain what happened there.

I like YX's approach to how they expand and with what aircraft. I think they are getting ready to take on more aircraft; they need it. This stuff about them being on the verge of bk, I don't buy that at all. I think they would be closeer to bk if they took similar, if not the same, business approaches that FL has...
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RE: Midwest Air Group Outlines Strategy

Thu Jan 11, 2007 7:39 am

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 32):
like how FL went into PIT in 2000 and launched service to 3 US strongholds: New York (LGA), PHL, Chicago (MDW, although US uses ORD) on top of its remaining ATL and MCO and... well FLL (Sat only service). Ummm... need I explain what happened there.

That's a lot better than AirTran coming into RDU (as well as other destiantions) and launching service to ATL and ATL and ATL and.. well ATL.. don't knock the variety, even if it didn't last.. Needless to say, AirTran did not live up to the routes ValuJet had at RDU.. but, I digress...
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RE: Midwest Air Group Outlines Strategy

Thu Jan 11, 2007 7:39 am

[quote=Steeler83,reply=32]like how FL went into PIT in 2000 and launched service to 3 US strongholds: New York (LGA), PHL, Chicago (MDW, although US uses ORD) on top of its remaining ATL and MCO and... well FLL (Sat only service). Ummm... need I explain what happened there.

I like YX's approach to how they expand and with what aircraft. I think they are getting ready to take on more aircraft; they need it. This stuff about them being on the verge of bk, I don't buy that at all. I think they would be closeer to bk if they took similar, if not the same, business approaches that FL has...


Agreed!!!!!!!!! Slow steady expansion. Look at B6, fast and furious expansion, a lot of new deliveries, and now they are starting to experience growing pains, deferring aircraft, slowing expansion, cutting "perks" to employees. YX has done a great job at slowly expanding.

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RE: Midwest Air Group Outlines Strategy

Thu Jan 11, 2007 7:41 am

Quoting N917ME (Reply 3):
Look at some existing YX cities that offer NS service MKE but not MCI to be some of the new routes.

Or, how about "some existing YX cities that offer NS service to MCI but not MKE to be some of the new routes", like, oh, SAN-MKE? (FAREMEASURE shows 158/day O&D pax in the market which would be in addition to connecting customers... Kinda thin but I think doable.)

I also wonder if SAN will see the second MCI flight return this summer?

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RE: Midwest Air Group Outlines Strategy

Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:04 am

Maybe they could serve places like EGE, SLC, or JAC from MCI or MKE.
 
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RE: Midwest Air Group Outlines Strategy

Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:13 am

Quoting N917ME (Reply 34):
Agreed!!!!!!!!! Slow steady expansion. Look at B6, fast and furious expansion, a lot of new deliveries, and now they are starting to experience growing pains, deferring aircraft, slowing expansion, cutting "perks" to employees. YX has done a great job at slowly expanding.

Overexpansion was the death of many, many upstart airlines including some who were formerly successful. Look at People Express. They were highly profitable industry darlings in the early 80's and were on the brink of utter collapse when Continental bailed them out in a buyout just a couple years later.
 
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RE: Midwest Air Group Outlines Strategy

Thu Jan 11, 2007 10:17 am

Do you think there is any thing in the future plans concerning OMA? I know they used to fly from there to multiple places but now its only MKE & DCA. Any chance OMA will get atleast another route or some kinda of upgrade?
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RE: Midwest Air Group Outlines Strategy

Thu Jan 11, 2007 10:27 am

Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 38):
Do you think there is any thing in the future plans concerning OMA? I know they used to fly from there to multiple places but now its only MKE & DCA. Any chance OMA will get atleast another route or some kinda of upgrade?

I doubt Omaha will see anything except possible OMA-MCI RJ flights at this time. I do think it's also possible that OMA-MKE will go all-RJ, but that's not a given.

There *may* be a couple of point-to-point markets that could justify some RJ flights out of Omaha, but even if there are I doubt Midwest will add any, at least in this first round of RJ's. The RJ lift is spoken for in Milwaukee and Kansas City, and building market share further in those two cities is priority.
 
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RE: Midwest Air Group Outlines Strategy

Thu Jan 11, 2007 10:30 am

Quoting Idaboy (Reply 28):
For those of you interested in where the CRJs are coming from i found this interesting:
They can't even spell Midwest correctly...geez..and heck it should be midwest connect as that's the name they'll be under. Also if you zoom in on the little CRJ-200s you'll notice that they are nothing more than a modified 717.

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