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Delta Restarts JFK-PDX Nonstop April 2007

Thu Jan 11, 2007 6:58 am

After a few years' hiatus, DL will be returning to the JFK-PDX market starting April 19, 2007 with a daily 738 flight:

http://biz.yahoo.com/pz/070110/111695.html
 
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RE: Delta Restarts JFK-PDX Nonstop April 2007

Thu Jan 11, 2007 7:01 am

It's about time! I was wondering when DL was going to bring this route back. JFK now has Western service to: SEA, PDX, SFO, LAX, SAN, LAS, SLC, and PHX. Pretty good, now all we need back is JFK-DEN service (would the ERJ-170 be a good fit for this route?). Good luck to Delta! Only problem is the times. JFK-PDX connects with arriving European traffic but the PDX-JFK redeye doesn't, which could be a problem.

Jeremy

[Edited 2007-01-10 23:03:15]
 
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RE: Delta Restarts JFK-PDX Nonstop April 2007

Thu Jan 11, 2007 7:05 am

What sense does it make to make such a big deal about their JFK hub with connections to all of Europe, Africa, India etc... when the flight doesn't connect to any of those departures? If I was flying to Europe from PDX, I certainly wouldn't fly on a red eye to JFK, sit all day and then take another red eye to Europe!


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RE: Delta Restarts JFK-PDX Nonstop April 2007

Thu Jan 11, 2007 7:05 am

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 1):
Only problem is the times. JFK-PDX connects with arriving European traffic but the PDX-JFK redeye doesn't, which could be a problem.

Same situation as the JFK-SAN restart recently - probably an aircraft utilization issue. In the meantime, SAN-JFK has been switched from a redeye to a day flight that connects nicely with the European flights.
 
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RE: Delta Restarts JFK-PDX Nonstop April 2007

Thu Jan 11, 2007 7:07 am

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 1):
Pretty good, now all we need back is JFK-DEN service (would the ERJ-170 be a good fit for this route?). Good luck to Delta!

http://news.delta.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=10514

Quoting Delta.com News:
NEW YORK, Jan. 10, 2007 -- Delta Air Lines customers this spring will have one more reason to choose Delta's growing New York hub for transcontinental travel as the airline adds new nonstop service between New York's Kennedy Airport and Portland, Oregon, effective April 19, 2007. The daily round-trip flight complements Delta's existing transcontinental routes from JFK to San Francisco, Seattle, Las Vegas, San Diego, Los Angeles, Salt Lake City and Phoenix (starting Feb. 15).
"As part of Delta's continued expansion at our New York hub, we're offering customers the convenience of nonstop service to key transcontinental destinations, including Portland," said Bob Cortelyou, vice president -- Network Planning at Delta. "Additionally, our Oregon customers will be able to take advantage of our strong international connections from our hub at New York's JFK airport, including new nonstop service to Europe, Africa, India and the Caribbean."

I think if they brought back JFK-DEN, it would likewise be on a 738. It would be a competing route with UA, but as for now DEN passengers on DL can connect via CVG or ATL.
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RE: Delta Restarts JFK-PDX Nonstop April 2007

Thu Jan 11, 2007 7:09 am

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 4):
I think if they brought back JFK-DEN, it would likewise be on a 738. It would be a competing route with UA

How's that, UAL only serves Denver from EWR and LGA.
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RE: Delta Restarts JFK-PDX Nonstop April 2007

Thu Jan 11, 2007 7:10 am

Too bad it's a red-eye; PDX currently only has 1x daily flight to JFK, and it's a red-eye on B6. I think a daylight flight would be at an advantage, in addition to offering additional connecting options across the Atlantic. However, this may be an aircraft allocation issue as a daylight flight ties up a whole plane, while red-eyes can fly up and down the East Coast all day (or to the Caribbean) before going back west. That said, there will still be connecting opportunities in the Northeast, as well as additional options for folks coming back FROM Europe.

Either way, good news for PDX. They need more service to the East Coast. This route should have come back sooner.
 
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RE: Delta Restarts JFK-PDX Nonstop April 2007

Thu Jan 11, 2007 7:20 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 5):
How's that, UAL only serves Denver from EWR and LGA.

 checkmark  You're correct, the only JFK service from DEN listed is via IAD. DL should look at this one sooner than later. Just a/c availability.
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RE: Delta Restarts JFK-PDX Nonstop April 2007

Thu Jan 11, 2007 7:25 am

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 7):

checkmark You're correct, the only JFK service from DEN listed is via IAD. DL should look at this one sooner than later. Just a/c availability.

jetBlue flies it. Not that that will stop Delta from entering it for the third time, but the market is not unserved.
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RE: Delta Restarts JFK-PDX Nonstop April 2007

Thu Jan 11, 2007 7:27 am

The NYC-PDX market is nicely served. A lot of people wondered why AS did not start PDX-EWR, now I think with DL adding to the mix of B6 and CO, AS won't be starting it anytime soon.
 
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RE: Delta Restarts JFK-PDX Nonstop April 2007

Thu Jan 11, 2007 7:35 am

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 1):
Pretty good, now all we need back is JFK-DEN service (would the ERJ-170 be a good fit for this route?).



Quoting STT757 (Reply 5):
How's that, UAL only serves Denver from EWR and LGA.

Correct. Only B6 operates 2 daily nonstop flights on the DEN-JFK route.
 
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RE: Delta Restarts JFK-PDX Nonstop April 2007

Thu Jan 11, 2007 7:35 am

Looks like 2007 is turning out to be good year for PDX!
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RE: Delta Restarts JFK-PDX Nonstop April 2007

Thu Jan 11, 2007 7:41 am

Anyone notice the times?

Flight Departs Arrives
------ ------------------------- -------------------------
697 New York-JFK at 6:50 p.m. Portland at 10:28 p.m.
------ ------------------------- -------------------------
696 Portland at 10:55 p.m. New York-JFK at 7:14 a.m.

A 27 minute turnaround? Or will another aircraft from someplace else operate the PDX-JFK leg?
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RE: Delta Restarts JFK-PDX Nonstop April 2007

Thu Jan 11, 2007 7:55 am

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 12):
A 27 minute turnaround? Or will another aircraft from someplace else operate the PDX-JFK leg?

Looks like the last SLC-PDX flight of the day is on a 738 and gets in at 9:50 pm, which is about normal turnaround time. They probably use that one.
 
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RE: Delta Restarts JFK-PDX Nonstop April 2007

Thu Jan 11, 2007 7:57 am

Quoting Panamair (Reply 3):
Same situation as the JFK-SAN restart recently - probably an aircraft utilization issue. In the meantime, SAN-JFK has been switched from a redeye to a day flight that connects nicely with the European flights.

You beat me to it, Panam; the only thing I will add for the Portland-folks is that it didn't take very long for DL to adjust the SAN flight to the perfect time it now is -- about 3 months (route restarted 6/8/06, new improved times started 9/6 and u/g to a 752 11/03!)

With B6 dumping all their resources into one route this Spring (that other West Coast city south of PDX) I would be surprised if they increase PDX service in response to this action...  Sad

Another big feather in PDX's cap!

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RE: Delta Restarts JFK-PDX Nonstop April 2007

Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:04 am

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 12):
A 27 minute turnaround?

Take that, Southwest!!!

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 12):
Or will another aircraft from someplace else operate the PDX-JFK leg?

Yes...
 
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RE: Delta Restarts JFK-PDX Nonstop April 2007

Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:11 am

Very interesting. The only bennifit to taking the red eye, would be the connection to east coast cities. It's nice to see so many options out of PDX, finally!!!

A big year indeed, for PDX. First AS announces BOS and MCO, now Delta announces JFK. I wonder what's next?
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RE: Delta Restarts JFK-PDX Nonstop April 2007

Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:24 am

Since exactly the same thing happened in SAN, it just occurred to me that perhaps DL likes to go in head-to-head with B6 (roundtrip) just to stir things up, then when things shake out a bit, they put the flight where it really should be (morning West Coast departure with a/c RON.)

Just a thought.

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RE: Delta Restarts JFK-PDX Nonstop April 2007

Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:35 am

Wow..What a great year for PDX! Congratulations Delta and Alaska for adding new service to PDX..................
 
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RE: Delta Restarts JFK-PDX Nonstop April 2007

Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:36 am

In its previous incarnation, the PDX-JFK service was timed to meet the bank of Asian flights ex-PDX. A morning departure from JFK, with an early afternoon departure out of PDX.

It's certainly nice to see Delta resume some service to PDX (where they used to command a huge share of the market after the merger with Western and their Asian hub). The red-eye departure will certainly put them at a disadvantage, from both the competition against JetBlue and the lack of European connections on the outbound, but if it's simply an aircraft availability issue and they quickly realign it like the posters above indicate what happened with their new service at SAN, they certainly stand a good chance of success, in my opinion.

I find it surprising that we're getting new red-eye nonstops to the east (JFK and MCO), when AA just last month discontinued their long-standing red-eye to DFW, leaving only codeshares on AS to SFO or LAX if you want to travel past 3PM on AA.
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RE: Delta Restarts JFK-PDX Nonstop April 2007

Thu Jan 11, 2007 9:32 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 19):
...when AA just last month discontinued their long-standing red-eye to DFW...

Aero, if I may again draw from another SAN-similarity, altho AA has never (or at least not for a very long time) operated a DFW red-eye from Lindbergh, we have had an on-and-off ORD red-eye which is currently "on" again. They dropped an afternoon flt and replaced it with a 23:00 departure (which is right on top of a UA doing the same thing.) I don't know the PDX sked's enough to know if this is maybe what they did there (in reverse.) Did they drop a DFW-PDX also? (Looks like currently there are 4 r/t PDX-DFW.)

One last thought: I think part of the reason a SAN-DFW red-eye is not desirable is our airport's departure curfew (11:30 PM) which would require a departure at about 11, arriving in DFW sometime in the 3 AM hour. That's pretty early even for the early bank of connections. I know that isn't the case at PDX (no curfew, longer flight time) but maybe the timing prohibited some connection possibilities.

Just a couple of thoughts...

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RE: Delta Restarts JFK-PDX Nonstop April 2007

Thu Jan 11, 2007 10:07 am

Do the 738s have/are they getting the new seatback IFE?
 
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RE: Delta Restarts JFK-PDX Nonstop April 2007

Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:18 pm

Quoting SANFan (Reply 20):
I don't know the PDX sked's enough to know if this is maybe what they did there (in reverse.) Did they drop a DFW-PDX also? (Looks like currently there are 4 r/t PDX-DFW.)

Yes, we're down from 5 DFW flights previous to Dec 14th, but so far maintaining the 2 flights to ORD. The late DFW-PDX flight was also dropped, so the latest flight to PDX is at 6:10pm instead of 9:05pm, and our evening flight from ORD was retimed from 7:05pm to 8:20pm (making the meal in First a snack instead of the full dinner service). We haven't had a red-eye on AA to the northern midwest since 2002(?). TWA used to run a morning, noon and midnight service to STL, but we lost the last of our STL service sometime after the summer of 2003.

AA has really pulled back in PDX. They eliminated all the RenoAir and TWA routes we used to have, and who knows what they'll do with our remaining 6 flights.
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RE: Delta Restarts JFK-PDX Nonstop April 2007

Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:57 pm

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 16):
Very interesting. The only bennifit to taking the red eye, would be the connection to east coast cities. It's nice to see so many options out of PDX, finally!!!

It must be aimed at this as well as business travelers going direct from PDX to New York City (not losing a whole work-day by traveling during the day). Can't see too many people wanting leave on a redeye into JFK from PDX, sit around all day, and then redeye to Europe the following evening.
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RE: Delta Restarts JFK-PDX Nonstop April 2007

Thu Jan 11, 2007 5:14 pm

Quoting BosWashSprStar (Reply 21):
Do the 738s have/are they getting the new seatback IFE?

I'm not exactly sure of the retrofit status but some 738s will have the new seatback PTVs by the time these new transcons start - should have some ready by February since JFK-PHX starts.
 
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RE: Delta Restarts JFK-PDX Nonstop April 2007

Thu Jan 11, 2007 5:16 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 22):
AA has really pulled back in PDX. They eliminated all the RenoAir and TWA routes we used to have, and who knows what they'll do with our remaining 6 flights.

Their numbers month-to-date, and year-to-year show a slight increase in passengers, about 2,000 above NOV05, and 49,000 YTD 06 to 05.

But dig a little deeper, to 2004, and you will see that American carried 104,000 more passengers a year.

Port of Portland Statistics Archive

Other goodies from Portland.

Guess who carries the most freight of all the Passenger Airlines in Portland?

United?
Delta?
Alaska?
Horizon?
Southwest?

Nope.

Lufthansa!
A hair more than Northwest.
And they send out of Portland, more than they bring in....where at Northwest it is reversed, they bring into Portland, more than they send out.

Interesting stuph!

Southwest has overtaken Horizon in total passengers NOV05 to NOV06, but I think we all saw that coming.....maybe this latest round of expansion on part of AAG is a response to this, and, will we see a change come NOV07?
I think so.
Southwest has been quiet in Portland...while AAG is growing.

The big loser in Portland is Delta...down 22% from the same time in 2005, but on the flipside of that coin, Skywest is up 33%, or around 100,000 pax.

Big Winners in Portland are jetBlue (+66.6%), US Airways (+28.9%), Mexicana (+26.2%), Continental (+11.7%), and even Big Sky (45.7%)!

Overall the Rose City ended November with 12,965,992, or 1.3% over 2005.

Looks like they'll end out the year right at 14 million. No thanks to Delta or American....other airlines will be more than happy to pick up the passengers you don't want!
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RE: Delta Restarts JFK-PDX Nonstop April 2007

Thu Jan 11, 2007 6:49 pm

Quoting BosWashSprStar (Reply 21):
Do the 738s have/are they getting the new seatback IFE?

Yes, they are getting the new IFE, like all of the transcons out of JFK.

As an FYI, remember when DL officially announced those new SONG-itized interiors? They had three neat route maps for ATL, SLC and JFK, showing the markets which will get those re-equipped planes. Back then, Portland was already shown as a market served from PDX. A mistake? Perhaps. Premature placement? Might as well be.
 
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RE: Delta Restarts JFK-PDX Nonstop April 2007

Fri Jan 12, 2007 6:09 am

Quoting Azjubilee (Reply 2):
What sense does it make to make such a big deal about their JFK hub with connections to all of Europe, Africa, India etc... when the flight doesn't connect to any of those departures?

DL is out of gates in the evening for JFK. I also think PHX is poorly timed for European connections
 
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RE: Delta Restarts JFK-PDX Nonstop April 2007

Fri Jan 12, 2007 2:02 pm

Is there anything else brewing up for PDX in 2007? A record 14.000,000 passengers a year seem to be our magic number for new services........
 
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RE: Delta Restarts JFK-PDX Nonstop April 2007

Fri Jan 12, 2007 2:49 pm

Quoting LHPDX (Reply 28):
Is there anything else brewing up for PDX in 2007? A record 14.000,000 passengers a year seem to be our magic number for new services........

I don't know if it is on the "Official" radar, but I'd LOVE to see:
AMS,
YYZ,
LGW,
CDG,
YYC,
KIX,
SEL,
HKG, in that order.
14 million O/D passengers would certainly make that an easier sell to the airline route planners.
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RE: Delta Restarts JFK-PDX Nonstop April 2007

Fri Jan 12, 2007 3:52 pm

Quoting Stirling (Reply 29):
I'd LOVE to see

My needs are small. I'd like to see:

Domestic:
-LAX nonstop on WN (let's stop all these ridiculous one-stop and connection deals)
-JFK (as in the real AM nonstop DL should have scheduled)
-SFO (return mainline jets to all flights)
-DFW red-eye (we used to have DL and AA, now we have none)
-STL (at least give us the chance to connect at something other than a bloated hub occasionally)

International:
-TPE (connections to cities throughout Asia seem cheaper through there)
-YYC (for Canadian and European connections)
-LGW (even a one-stop service via SEA would be fine)
-AMS or CDG (to connect to the Skyteam hubs)
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RE: Delta Restarts JFK-PDX Nonstop April 2007

Sat Jan 13, 2007 3:50 am

I'd like to see PDX get maybe some more Canada flights, if the demand is there. It seems under served out of PDX. AC would be a welcome sight to PDX!

AMS or CDG. It'd be cool to see AF if CDG were to start up. Another NW heavy would be cool, too.

AS start up IAD, or MIA out of PDX. Since JetBlue isn't doing it, why not AS? A 73G could do the flight easy. MIA would likely require a 738.

That's all I'd really like to see. Toronto would seem like a good flight out of PDX.
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