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Where Does AF Send Its 744s?

Thu Jan 11, 2007 7:41 pm

More and more cities are now served by the 77Ws.I would like to know where AF still dends their 744s? How do they decide between a 744 and a 77W?
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RE: Where Does AF Send Its 744s?

Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:28 pm

Currently, the mainline B744s go to YUL, BOS, JFK, MIA, HAV, SDQ, CCS, GIG, DEL, BKK, SGN and HAN with YUL and DEL receiving the 2 remaining non reconfigured 3-class B744s this winter. A couple of B744s remain based at ORY for COI flights for another couple of weeks, but after that all B744s will operate from CDG, and the 2 remaining non reconfigured frames will be withdrawn from the passenger fleet.

Next summer, the B744s will be deployed between CDG and YUL, YYZ, BOS, JFK, ATL, SFO, MIA, MEX, HAV, SDQ, CCS and GIG. All 14 remaining B744s will then be operating in the traditional mainline 40C/393Y configuration.
 
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RE: Where Does AF Send Its 744s?

Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:30 pm

I heard that from 2008, CDG-MIA will be operated with a 77W.Is that true?
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RE: Where Does AF Send Its 744s?

Thu Jan 11, 2007 9:15 pm

Quoting LY777 (Reply 2):
I heard that from 2008, CDG-MIA will be operated with a 77W.Is that true?

Air France has announced a few months ago that more B773ER will be added to the fleet. Those B77W will receive a new configuation with J/Y class only to replace the B744 on certain routes like CDG ---> BKK/MIA/GIG/SFO etc ...

The B744 will then be used almost exclusively on existing Leisure/sun destinations (PUJ, SDQ, MRU etc ...) and to open new ones (NAS is rumored).
 
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RE: Where Does AF Send Its 744s?

Fri Jan 12, 2007 2:20 am

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 3):
Those B77W will receive a new configuation with J/Y class only to replace the B744 on certain routes like CDG ---> BKK/MIA/GIG/SFO

Very interesting information. So it means that GIG with shortly get AF B77W? Do you know what is the difference in total number of seats between the 2-class B747NEV and the 2-class B77W?

Do you know why some B747NEV have AVOD in Y and some dont?

Tks,
 
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RE: Where Does AF Send Its 744s?

Fri Jan 12, 2007 3:04 am

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 4):
So it means that GIG with shortly get AF B77W?

The replacement of the 2-class B744s with 2-class B77Ws is still in the planning stage, although it seems that it will eventually happen. I think that the addition of an extra daily A332 service next winter will be a serious boost, though.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 4):
Do you know why some B747NEV have AVOD in Y and some dont?

Only the last 3 delivered B744s have PTVs throughout Y. All NEV B744s have PTVs on the upperdeck where the C-class used to be.
 
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RE: Where Does AF Send Its 744s?

Fri Jan 12, 2007 5:00 am

No more 747 on CDG-LAX-PPT
 
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RE: Where Does AF Send Its 744s?

Fri Jan 12, 2007 1:49 pm

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 6):
No more 747 on CDG-LAX-PPT

LAX PPT is operated four times weekly (days 4, 5, 6, 7) by an A343, which is ferried in from CDG on day 4 and returns to CDG on day 1. The direct CDG PPT route with B744 has been given up since the beginning of the current winter schedule.
 
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RE: Where Does AF Send Its 744s?

Fri Jan 12, 2007 2:45 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 7):
LAX PPT is operated four times weekly (days 4, 5, 6, 7) by an A343, which is ferried in from CDG on day 4 and returns to CDG on day 1. The direct CDG PPT route with B744 has been given up since the beginning of the current winter schedule.

Wow! So AF basically basses an A340-300 at LAX? That is pretty cool. However, doesn't that mean that they loose out on PPT-CDG traffic? or does the A343 arrive in time to catch one of the 777 flights into CDG?
 
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RE: Where Does AF Send Its 744s?

Fri Jan 12, 2007 4:06 pm

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 8):
Wow! So AF basically basses an A340-300 at LAX? That is pretty cool. However, doesn't that mean that they loose out on PPT-CDG traffic? or does the A343 arrive in time to catch one of the 777 flights into CDG?

yes of sure, flights are connected at LAX. In fact, there is no change for PAX who needed to disembark and clear immigration at LAX even if they were just about to re-board the same A/C just after  banghead 
 
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RE: Where Does AF Send Its 744s?

Fri Jan 12, 2007 6:47 pm

Saw a AF 744 at MRU 18/12 not sure if it scheduled or a replacement.
 
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RE: Where Does AF Send Its 744s?

Fri Jan 12, 2007 6:56 pm

Quoting XXXX10 (Reply 10):
Saw a AF 744 at MRU 18/12 not sure if it scheduled or a replacement

That's a scheduled service, and AF's CDG MRU service will remain operated with the B744. AF also codeshares with MK on the route.
 
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RE: Where Does AF Send Its 744s?

Fri Jan 12, 2007 10:51 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 5):
Only the last 3 delivered B744s have PTVs throughout Y. All NEV B744s have PTVs on the upperdeck where the C-class used to be.



Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 5):
The replacement of the 2-class B744s with 2-class B77Ws is still in the planning stage, although it seems that it will eventually happen. I think that the addition of an extra daily A332 service next winter will be a serious boost, though.

Tks for the interesting information, while AF also considers another base in Northeast Brazil instead of expanding operations in GIG. AF will also have to factor in TAM's new operations GIG-CDG.

Rgs,
 
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RE: Where Does AF Send Its 744s?

Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:21 pm

777-300ER with no First Class for the non-leisure flight to Reunion, Point a Pitre and Fort de France. I hope its 9 abreast in coach and a generous 50 dseats for Busniess Class.
 
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RE: Where Does AF Send Its 744s?

Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:14 am

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 13):
777-300ER with no First Class for the non-leisure flight to Reunion, Point a Pitre and Fort de France. I hope its 9 abreast in coach and a generous 50 dseats for Busniess Class.

The config of AF 77W"leisure" is 10 abreast in economy class
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RE: Where Does AF Send Its 744s?

Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:23 am

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 13):
777-300ER with no First Class for the non-leisure flight to Reunion, Point a Pitre and Fort de France. I hope its 9 abreast in coach and a generous 50 dseats for Busniess Class.

Those future B77W will have a different configuration than those based at ORY.
As they are to be used on the non Leisure/Sun destinations, they will have the same "standards" that the "regular" B77W based at CDG and operated today on the regular long-haul network, except that they won't have any First Class, and will offer a Business Class reduced to 42 seats or so, against 67 on the "Classic" ones, so Y Class will be with a standard 3x3x3 seating.