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2007 For Delta

Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:16 am

I saw a similar thread on SLC specific gave me the idea for this

What do you think 2007 will look like for DL?


my predictions:

-US dosnt get to steal DL (Delta remains my Delta)
-NWA airlines merger rumors/talks


-Increased expansion at SLC (even though out of gate room temporary) hopefully expansion of the airport
-continued expansion of ATL and JFK with international service
-make CVG even more RJ (if possible) or decrease of flights overall

-new SLC-CDG announced
-ATL-JNB will be announced as non stop in the future when aircraft available
-DL fails at appeals trying a second try for ATL-China
-DL announces service to Sydney via HNL or (ATL via a stop in LAX)



What will 2007 look like for Delta?????? Hopefully a good year!!!!!

[Edited 2007-01-12 03:18:01]
 
Iloveboeing
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RE: 2007 For Delta

Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:20 am

Quoting SlcDeltaRUmd11 (Thread starter):
-DL announces service to Sydney via HNL or (ATL via a stop in LAX)

I'm not sure the SYD service would work, because over the agreement between the US and Australian governments that only Qantas and United can fly between LAX and SYD. I wish they'd get rid of that agreement, though.
 
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RE: 2007 For Delta

Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:34 am

I say they will try MCO-CDG with a 763, or at least in my dreams.

US will most likely never take over DL. Not that I am against US, but I am more of a SkyTeam type of guy.
 
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RE: 2007 For Delta

Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:39 am

How about this one..

CMH/BDL/MCO/FLL/RDU/TPA-CUN on CR7/E70

190/788 order for mainline fleet with deliveries starting 2009/2012 respectively..

SLC/ATL-ANC
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RE: 2007 For Delta

Fri Jan 12, 2007 12:14 pm

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 3):
190/788 order for mainline fleet

No 170's for mainline pilots to fly, that's pretty much been said. The 737-700's are more than sufficient.

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RE: 2007 For Delta

Fri Jan 12, 2007 12:16 pm

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 4):
No 170's for mainline pilots to fly

Nah, I said 190.. which is in the scope clause and would be a mainline aircraft.. what's 170 got to do with 190.. unless it is a plane-for-plane clause?
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RE: 2007 For Delta

Fri Jan 12, 2007 1:13 pm

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 3):
SLC/ATL-ANC

They've offered both of those for awhile now (ATL is summer-only I believe).
 
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RE: 2007 For Delta

Fri Jan 12, 2007 2:13 pm

DL in 2007...

Rebuilding the LAX hub with international flights to Asia.
With more 767s going international, they can start using ER versions with trans-pac range to relaunch Japanese cities like KIX, NGO and FUK.

They can will also apply for ATL-PVG or LAX-PVG as part of the LAX rebuild.

Quoting Iloveboeing (Reply 1):
because over the agreement between the US and Australian governments that only Qantas and United can fly between LAX and SYD.

I didn't think this existed. I thought it was any US or Australian airline can fly between the US and Australia. Seems like a load of BS to me. (not your statement but the agreement). That would constitute a non-competative behavior wouldn't it? How...UnAmerican.

DL could do it via HNL and it would not violate anything.

DL will emerge from BK and order their own 787s and start a plan to removed the MD80s from the fleet.

DL/NW will talk and talk and talk and maybe something will happen, but I am hoping it doesn't. Keep NW my NW.
Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
 
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RE: 2007 For Delta

Fri Jan 12, 2007 2:33 pm

Not quite sure about 2007, but I'm positive that Delta will look into service to LED. Even though they just applied for code share with Aeroflot for SVO-LED flights, DL can definitely make money off LED with their own metal.

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RE: 2007 For Delta

Fri Jan 12, 2007 5:56 pm

Quoting SlcDeltaRUmd11 (Thread starter):
-DL announces service to Sydney via HNL or (ATL via a stop in LAX)

I have no knowledge of what they will do.. but Sydney service may not be all its cracked up to be for them.

1) Most australians will have no idea who Delta are, so they would have to spend some decent money on marketing and brand awareness to capture the local traffic

2) they will likely soon have competition from DJ and potentially even SQ if the private equity buyout relaxes the governments protectionist stance. Also competition from UA and QF that both offer 3 class service.

3) It requires multiple aircraft for a daily service

4) There is no skyteam carrier in Australia for onward connections and UA already have the relationship with DJ.

5) Since SYD is not well served by skyteam carreirs, there are unlikely to be many freqent flyers in the region who want to fly on skyteam

6) The amount of business done between the southeast and Sydney remains to be seen
 
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RE: 2007 For Delta

Fri Jan 12, 2007 6:02 pm

Quoting Centrair (Reply 7):
I didn't think this existed. I thought it was any US or Australian airline can fly between the US and Australia. Seems like a load of BS to me. (not your statement but the agreement). That would constitute a non-competative behavior wouldn't it? How...UnAmerican.

As I understand it, any US or Australian airline can fly the route, but there are resrictions on freqencies for new carriers. From memory its 3x a week.
 
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RE: 2007 For Delta

Fri Jan 12, 2007 6:55 pm

Quoting Iloveboeing (Reply 1):
Quoting SlcDeltaRUmd11 (Thread starter):-DL announces service to Sydney via HNL or (ATL via a stop in LAX)
I'm not sure the SYD service would work, because over the agreement between the US and Australian governments that only Qantas and United can fly between LAX and SYD. I wish they'd get rid of that agreement, though.

The statement about the US-Oz ASA is complete rubbish! Any US carrier can fly between any US point and any Oz point and vv for Oz carriers. There ARE capacity restrictions, but they only apply to new entrents. At the moment DJ & JQ have applications before the US DOT for increased frequencies. If they are granted, any US carrier could expect the same from Oz authorities.

In regard to DL service to SYD forget it! See Scorpy in reply 9 for the basics. As well: 1) there is NOBODY to provide connecting service to Oz points beyond SYD. QF/JQ obviously wont, DJ won't because 1) They already cooperate with UA & 2) They are launching their own services to North America. There is NO one else. They would be limited to SYD-LAX?ATL? O&D traffic only.
2) DL could use the 2 B77L on more luctritive routes.
3) Its a very long and thin route, therefore expensive to operate.

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RE: 2007 For Delta

Fri Jan 12, 2007 7:50 pm

Quoting SlcDeltaRUmd11 (Thread starter):
-US dosnt get to steal DL (Delta remains my Delta)
-NWA airlines merger rumors/talks

Agreed on both points

Quoting SlcDeltaRUmd11 (Thread starter):
-Increased expansion at SLC (even though out of gate room temporary) hopefully expansion of the airport
-continued expansion of ATL and JFK with international service

Both things will happen, though with a better gate use, DL should have enough space for expansion at SLC, even without any rebuilding.

Quoting SlcDeltaRUmd11 (Thread starter):
-make CVG even more RJ (if possible) or decrease of flights overall

Most likely the latter.

Quoting SlcDeltaRUmd11 (Thread starter):
-new SLC-CDG announced

Hopefully, this'll happen soon.

Quoting SlcDeltaRUmd11 (Thread starter):
-ATL-JNB will be announced as non stop in the future when aircraft available
-DL fails at appeals trying a second try for ATL-China

Depends on each other. If DL can get China in 2008, they will put their first 2 77Ls on JFK-BOM and use those freed-up 772ERs for ATL-China (which I hope will happen but have my doubts). If DL doesn't get the China rights, either ATL-JNB will go nonstop, or DL could launch ATL-HKG with the 77L. IMHO, ATL-JNB won't go nonstop before 2009, unless yields and demand are that massive that DL wants to do it asap.

Quoting SlcDeltaRUmd11 (Thread starter):
-DL announces service to Sydney via HNL or (ATL via a stop in LAX)

Could well, happen, the DL trio (Grinstein/Whitehurst/Bastien) has repeatedly hinted at wanting to serve another continent from 2007 on.

And pending any merger developments in whatever way, I'd expect an additional order for 73Gs (10 more), and additional 70/76-seat RJs for both expansion and in place of 50-seaters.
 
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RE: 2007 For Delta

Fri Jan 12, 2007 8:53 pm

Any reason why there's no thread for UA for 2007, CO for 2007, AA for 2007 and NW for 2007 and US for 2007?
 
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RE: 2007 For Delta

Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:25 pm

If you feel the need for one, just start one  Yeah sure .
 
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RE: 2007 For Delta

Sat Jan 13, 2007 5:20 am

Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 13):
Any reason why there's no thread for UA for 2007, CO for 2007, AA for 2007 and NW for 2007 and US for 2007?


LOL what a strange question. It's a forum, if you feel like there should be a discussion like this for another airline, post one. Simple as that.

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RE: 2007 For Delta

Sat Jan 13, 2007 7:52 am

Quoting SlcDeltaRUmd11 (Thread starter):
-DL announces service to Sydney via HNL or (ATL via a stop in LAX)

I'd like to see CVG-HNL-AKL and ATL-HNL-SYD on the 764 on DL, and bring all SkyTeam carriers on these routes.

That's my dream for 2007!
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RE: 2007 For Delta

Sat Jan 13, 2007 8:21 am

There was a much larger thread about this already. I will repost the same thing though. AMA-SLC has to come via OO or DL.  Smile
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RE: 2007 For Delta

Sat Jan 13, 2007 8:28 am

Anyone who doesn't believe that DL will be bought is living in fantasy land I'm afraid. It's nothing to do with aircraft types or who is "better" at running an airline or anything else emotional like that, the fact is that DL is in CH11 (meaning many of the decisions are out of their hands) and the process that US are going through, possibly even with the current bid, will result in the sale of DL. You can keep Delta whoever's Delta, but the airline is going to get bought!
 
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RE: 2007 For Delta

Sat Jan 13, 2007 9:08 am

I humbly predict more Africa routes since they are currently the only US carrier to fly there.
Maybe: JFK-DKR-NBO(Nairobi) timed to connect in DKR with ATL-DKR-JNB.
JFK-CAI
For South America Weren't there rumors about a new Brazil route ATL-SSA, or were those just rumors. I can also see some JFK South America.
Maybe: JFK-LIM
JFK-BOG
 
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RE: 2007 For Delta

Sat Jan 13, 2007 9:18 am

Those African Routes are really comming handy! That NBO should be just awsome, not in a daily basis of course, perhaps JFK/ATL-CDG-NBO or even CPT. The NYC are has already a lot of South and Central American Market, I believe and hope they focus on Their African routes! BOG and LIM theres already competitive Market out of the NYC area and to Brazil or Argentina.
 
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RE: 2007 For Delta

Sat Jan 13, 2007 9:33 am

Quoting SlcDeltaRUmd11 (Thread starter):
my predictions:

-US dosnt get to steal DL (Delta remains my Delta)

Somehow spending over $10B USD doesn't sound like "stealing" to me. Either way, your "prediction" sounds like wishful thinking only. Odds are that this deal does end up going through - the creditors simply have more of a sure thing under the US proposal, and in the end the creditors won't give a rip about DL's history, culture, etc - it'll be about the best return on their investments.
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RE: 2007 For Delta

Sat Jan 13, 2007 9:39 am

Quoting B4real (Reply 16):
I'd like to see CVG-HNL-AKL and ATL-HNL-SYD on the 764 on DL, and bring all SkyTeam carriers on these routes.

That's my dream for 2007!

Dream on, son dream on! See replies 9, 10 & 11

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RE: 2007 For Delta

Sat Jan 13, 2007 9:45 am

Quoting B4real (Reply 16):
I'd like to see CVG-HNL-AKL and ATL-HNL-SYD

Sorry but business travellers just don't want to fly through HNL.. its really a simple as that. HNL-SYD has poor enough yields that QF are relegating it to JQ 'cattle car' flights. through LAX would be better but exposed to the issues that have been raised earier and through ATL would be a waste of a 772LR.

the most realistic route for DL would be if they could fly direct to JFK but even then i just can't see it.
 
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RE: 2007 For Delta

Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:20 am

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 21):
Somehow spending over $10B USD doesn't sound like "stealing" to me. Either way, your "prediction" sounds like wishful thinking only. Odds are that this deal does end up going through - the creditors simply have more of a sure thing under the US proposal, and in the end the creditors won't give a rip about DL's history, culture, etc - it'll be about the best return on their investments

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RE: 2007 For Delta

Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:52 am

who are all of DL creditors (secure)

Even if the creditors go with the 10 bill there is no way the government will let this happen.
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RE: 2007 For Delta

Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:56 am

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 25):
who are all of DL creditors (secure)

Even if the creditors go with the 10 bill there is no way the government will let this happen.

Why should the government care? At worst all they'll do is ask them to divest certain assets that the deem as anti-competitive. For example part of the shuttle operation.

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