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The Most Likely A380 Routes, For All Airlines.

Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:26 am

This is a list I compiled of the routes which are most likely to have the A380. This was done by me, with no official airline information that they will do these routes (ie: it is basically my opinion.) I would like to refine this list: make changes, fill in the blanks, make it more realistic and probable.


Air France 10--- 5 routes
CDG-YUL, CDG-NRT, CDG-JFK, CDG-LAX, ?

China Southern 5---2 routes
CAN-LAX, CAN-CDG

Emirates 43---22 routes
DXB-LHR, and who knows...

Etihad Airways 4---2 routes
AUH-LHR, ?

Kingfisher Airlines 5---2 routes
BOM-LHR, BOM-SYD

Korean Air 5---2 routes
ICN-LAX, ICN-LHR

Lufthansa 15---7 routes
FRA-JFK, FRA-LAX, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?

Malaysia Airlines 6---3 routes
KUL-LHR, ?, ?

Qantas 20---10 routes
(2x)SYD-LHR, (2x)MEL-LHR, MEL-LAX, (2x) SYD-LAX, BNE-LAX, AKL-LAX, SYD-FRA

Qatar Airways 2---1 route
DOH-LHR

*Singapore Airlines 19---10 routes
SIN-NRT-LAX, SIN-HKG-SFO, (3x)SIN-SYD, (3x)SIN-LHR, SIN-FRA, SIN-FRA-JFK. **(1-1 long-haul 744 replacement)

Thai Airways 6---3 routes
?, ?, ?

Virgin Atlantic 6---3 routes
LHR-JFK, LHR-LAX, LHR-HKG-SYD


* with 19 aircraft only 9 routes are technically possible. However, SIN-SYD is not that long, so that is why I squeezed in 10 routes.
** 1-1 747 long-haul replacement except ZRH and CDG which get 777-300ERs.
 
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RE: The Most Likely A380 Routes, For All Airlines.

Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:29 am

Something tells me if you did a search, you might find 10-200 threads on this topic. Call it a hunch. And since the airlines proposing to fly the MegaJet haven't fundamentally changed in years nor have new carriers been added, I think those predictions are just as valid today as they were 2, 3, 6 or 12 months ago...  Wink
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RE: The Most Likely A380 Routes, For All Airlines.

Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:30 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Thread starter):
Kingfisher Airlines 5---2 routes
BOM-LHR, BOM-SYD

I know for a fact that Vijay Mallya (Owner of Kingfisher) wants to start non-stop service from BLR-SFO using one of his 380's. He might also start a non-stop service from BOM/DEL/BLR to NYC. Don't know for sure yet...
 
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RE: The Most Likely A380 Routes, For All Airlines.

Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:34 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
Something tells me if you did a search, you might find 10-200 threads on this topic. Call it a hunch. And since the airlines proposing to fly the MegaJet haven't fundamentally changed in years nor have new carriers been added, I think those predictions are just as valid today as they were 2, 3, 6 or 12 months ago...

I did no a search, and came up with not 200 threads, but a few. However, they are old and most of the airlines' intentions have changed: those are not all that valid anymore.

Quoting Buck3y3nut (Reply 2):
I know for a fact that Vijay Mallya (Owner of Kingfisher) wants to start non-stop service from BLR-SFO using one of his 380's. He might also start a non-stop service from BOM/DEL/BLR to NYC. Don't know for sure yet...

I thought those were A340-500 routes. They ordered 5 of those too I think.
 
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RE: The Most Likely A380 Routes, For All Airlines.

Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:51 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Thread starter):
Qantas 20---10 routes
(2x)SYD-LHR, (2x)MEL-LHR, MEL-LAX, (2x) SYD-LAX, BNE-LAX, AKL-LAX, SYD-FRA

Is BNE-LAX such a huge market? I really have no idea. I mean, I guess someday when all the 744s are retired, it has to be something else, but I would have guessed that market skewed on the smaller side as compared to the MEL and SYD routes.

Quoting Kaitak744 (Thread starter):
Emirates 43---22 routes
DXB-LHR, and who knows...

DXB-JFK is a pretty sure shot, too, but EK has so many on order that it's barely worth speculating . . . it would more of a process of elimination.
 
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RE: The Most Likely A380 Routes, For All Airlines.

Fri Jan 12, 2007 12:09 pm

Why do you think SQ would fly a WhaleJet FRA-JFK ... and leave it parked at JFK all day? Look for that to be a 777-300ER.
 
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RE: The Most Likely A380 Routes, For All Airlines.

Fri Jan 12, 2007 12:15 pm

Quoting Kaitak744 (Thread starter):
Lufthansa 15---7 routes
FRA-JFK, FRA-LAX, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?

I would not be surprised if one route is FRA-NRT.

Quoting Kaitak744 (Thread starter):
Emirates 43---22 routes
DXB-LHR, and who knows...

They will try for an NRT slot in 2008. There will be limited slots available and the best EK will get is one daily.

Quoting Kaitak744 (Thread starter):
Korean Air 5---2 routes
ICN-LAX, ICN-LHR

That leaves one plane free... running back and forth to NRT or to HKG.
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RE: The Most Likely A380 Routes, For All Airlines.

Fri Jan 12, 2007 12:15 pm

When it comes to the A380, no matter the airline, the usual suspects always come to mind:

LHR, FRA, CDG, LAX, SFO, JFK, NRT, SYD.
 
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RE: The Most Likely A380 Routes, For All Airlines.

Fri Jan 12, 2007 12:21 pm

Always an interesting topic. Good job so far. Here's what I think you can add...

Quoting Kaitak744 (Thread starter):
Korean Air 5---2 routes
ICN-LAX, ICN-LHR

CDG is the number one European destination for Korean tourists. It is also the home of leading Skyteam partner Air France. I expect CDG to see KE's A380s before LHR.

Quoting Kaitak744 (Thread starter):
Lufthansa 15---7 routes
FRA-JFK, FRA-LAX, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?

Expect a lot more than 7 routes with 15 A380s for LH. Many of their longhaul routes (US East Coast, Indian sub continent) require only 1 aircraft for a daily return. Same goes for Air France and Virgin.

To add to your list.. FRA-BOM, FRA-DEL, FRA-BKK, FRA-HKG, FRA-ORD

Quoting Kaitak744 (Thread starter):
Thai Airways 6---3 routes
?, ?, ?

BKK-FRA (possibly twice a day on some days), BKK-LHR (also possibly twice a day on some days)

Quoting Kaitak744 (Thread starter):
Malaysia Airlines 6---3 routes
KUL-LHR, ?, ?

KUL-AMS AMS only realistic chance, at the moment, to see A380 service. Perhaps some service to the Indian sub continent aswell.

Quoting Kaitak744 (Thread starter):
Qatar Airways 2---1 route
DOH-LHR

twice a day or an additional destination such as CDG or BOM.


Future A380 destinations (based on current A380 orderbook) for more than one airline IMO.

European carriers that ordered the A380 will most likely send them to India, HKG, NRT, JFK, SFO, LAX and BKK.
Asian airlines to LHR, CDG, FRA, SYD, SFO and LAX.
Gulf carriers to LHR, CDG, FRA, India, BKK, NRT, HKG and SYD
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RE: The Most Likely A380 Routes, For All Airlines.

Fri Jan 12, 2007 12:25 pm

::Update::

Air France 10--- 5 routes
CDG-YUL, CDG-NRT, CDG-JFK, CDG-LAX, ?

China Southern 5---2 routes
CAN-LAX, CAN-CDG

Emirates 43---22 routes
DXB-LHR, DXB-NRT, DXB-JFK, DXB-SYD, ?, ?, ......

Etihad Airways 4---2 routes
AUH-LHR, ?

Kingfisher Airlines 5---2 routes
BOM-LHR, BOM-SYD

Korean Air 5---2 routes
ICN-LAX, ICN-LHR

Lufthansa 15---7 routes
FRA-JFK, FRA-LAX, FRA-NRT, ?, ?, ?, ?

Malaysia Airlines 6---3 routes
KUL-LHR, ?, ?

Qantas 20---10 routes
(2x)SYD-LHR, (2x)MEL-LHR, MEL-LAX, (2x) SYD-LAX, BNE-LAX, AKL-LAX, SYD-FRA

Qatar Airways 2---1 route
DOH-LHR

Singapore Airlines 19---9 routes
SIN-NRT-LAX, SIN-HKG-SFO, (3x)SIN-SYD, (3x)SIN-LHR, SIN-FRA. **(1-1 long-haul 744 replacement)

Thai Airways 6---3 routes
BKK-LHR, ?, ?

Virgin Atlantic 6---3 routes
LHR-JFK, LHR-LAX, LHR-HKG-SYD
 
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RE: The Most Likely A380 Routes, For All Airlines.

Fri Jan 12, 2007 4:47 pm

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 9):
Qantas 20---10 routes
(2x)SYD-LHR, (2x)MEL-LHR, MEL-LAX, (2x) SYD-LAX, BNE-LAX, AKL-LAX, SYD-FRA

I am sure we have done this before!
QF:
MEL-LAX(2); SYD-LAX(2) <-- announced 4 airframes
2nd daily SYD-LAX (2); MEL-AKL-LAX (2) <-- Guess 1; 4 airframes Total = 8
SYD-BKK-LHR (3); SYD-SIN-LHR (3); MEL-HKG-LHR (3); MEL-SIN-LHR (3) <--Guess 2 12 airframes Total =20 Number on order = 20!

Oz -LHR takes MORE than 2 airframes. The route is 23.5 hours ONE WAY, that is 47 hours return, NOT counting ANY time spent at LHR. Min turn around time at LHR for QF is 6 hours due to slot times. So min return time SYD/MEL-LHR return is 53 hours for two flights, the other two spend about 14 hours at LHR, again due to slot times, giving a min return time of 61 hours.

To operate any other route would require the conversion of the 4 options/more orders.

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RE: The Most Likely A380 Routes, For All Airlines.

Fri Jan 12, 2007 4:56 pm

Quoting Buck3y3nut (Reply 2):
I know for a fact that Vijay Mallya (Owner of Kingfisher) wants to start non-stop service from BLR-SFO using one of his 380's. He might also start a non-stop service from BOM/DEL/BLR to NYC. Don't know for sure yet...

Given on Airbus own website that the A380 could do 15,000km and BLR-SFO is 14,000km (still air), its going to be quite interseting to see what Mr. Mallya will do if he decides to use the A380 on this particular route (configuration, etc)....he's already complaining of losses due to too much competition.. spin 

IIRC, there were reports (comments actually) where SQ was concerned about Airbus doing HKG-SIN (and one of the reasons as to why CX is hesitating on ordering the A380)..and that's only 11,200km.....

Also, I believe Mallya stated that the A345 would be used for BLR-SFO...
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RE: The Most Likely A380 Routes, For All Airlines.

Fri Jan 12, 2007 5:56 pm

Quoting Juventus (Reply 7):
When it comes to the A380, no matter the airline, the usual suspects always come to mind:

LHR, FRA, CDG, LAX, SFO, JFK, NRT, SYD.

 checkmark 

And SIN, ORD, MIA, BKK, JNB, DBX, HKG, PVG, PEK, ICN
every place you see loads of 747's

A consideration made by many low costs airlines is that they don't want flights longer then e.g. 1.5 hour because they can make less flights per day, decreasing fleet utilization.

For the A380 this could mean you try to avoid flights longer then say 10-10.5 hours to increase utilization. However many other network considerations of course..
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RE: The Most Likely A380 Routes, For All Airlines.

Fri Jan 12, 2007 6:08 pm

Quoting Keesje (Reply 12):
Quoting Juventus (Reply 7):
When it comes to the A380, no matter the airline, the usual suspects always come to mind:

LHR, FRA, CDG, LAX, SFO, JFK, NRT, SYD.

checkmark

And SIN, ORD, MIA, BKK, JNB, DBX, HKG, PVG, PEK, ICN
every place you see loads of 747's

1)SFO and ORD will barely see any A380's (I agree with most of the usual suspects)
2) I'm sure you meant DXB and not DBX... Wink
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RE: The Most Likely A380 Routes, For All Airlines.

Fri Jan 12, 2007 6:20 pm

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 9):
Malaysia Airlines 6---3 routes
KUL-LHR, ?, ?

The initial plan is for KUL-LHR, KUL-SYD and KUL-MEL.

But since then, MH was involved in a financial mishap, which may seen them reviewing their plan to purchase the equipments.

The above routes as well have been experiencing some changes since MH announced their Business Turnaround Plan. KUL-LHR is now served by MH only twice a day from 18x weekly. KUL-MEL will no longer be served by 744s soon and KUL-SYD will be extended to KUL-SYD-BNE. Nevertheless, it is highly likely that MH (or its parent PMB) will proceed with the purchase given the fact that the A380 related upgrading works are currently being undertaken at KUL, costing some MYR 135 million.
 
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RE: The Most Likely A380 Routes, For All Airlines.

Fri Jan 12, 2007 6:28 pm

Quoting 9MMAR (Reply 14):
The initial plan is for KUL-LHR, KUL-SYD and KUL-MEL.

Wasn't KUL-AMS planned as well?

I also remember reading somewhere that China Southern was planning to deploy an A380 to Amsterdam, but I can't remember where, so I realize that I'm not making a very well funded statement right now.
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RE: The Most Likely A380 Routes, For All Airlines.

Fri Jan 12, 2007 6:30 pm

Quoting Juventus (Reply 7):
When it comes to the A380, no matter the airline, the usual suspects always come to mind:

LHR, FRA, CDG, LAX, SFO, JFK, NRT, SYD.

Why does MEL always get forgetten? MEL-LAX is announced as QFs first A380 route!

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RE: The Most Likely A380 Routes, For All Airlines.

Fri Jan 12, 2007 6:43 pm

Quoting MaartenV (Reply 15):
I also remember reading somewhere that China Southern was planning to deploy an A380 to Amsterdam, but I can't remember where, so I realize that I'm not making a very well funded statement right now.

It's more or less logical to sent the 380 first to AMS i.s.o. CDG (as mentioned before) as AMS is already served daily from CAN via PEK and CDG get's only 2 weekly services next to 3x AF with A343.

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RE: The Most Likely A380 Routes, For All Airlines.

Fri Jan 12, 2007 9:35 pm

Quoting Kaitak744 (Thread starter):
Emirates 43---22 routes
DXB-LHR, and who knows...

What about DXB-DUS? Would the runway in DUS be long enough for the DUS-DXB flight?
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RE: The Most Likely A380 Routes, For All Airlines.

Fri Jan 12, 2007 10:04 pm

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 9):
Air France 10--- 5 routes
CDG-YUL, CDG-NRT, CDG-JFK, CDG-LAX, ?

CDG-PEK (probably before CDG-LAX). CDG-SIN is also now rumored.
 
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RE: The Most Likely A380 Routes, For All Airlines.

Fri Jan 12, 2007 10:28 pm

From Europe more into Asia, even Peking, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Singapore, Taipeh, Bangkok, Bombay. Less into the US.

FRA, LHR are limited in slots, and growth is in the East Asia market.
 
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RE: The Most Likely A380 Routes, For All Airlines.

Fri Jan 12, 2007 10:55 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 13):
SFO and ORD will barely see any A380's

I agree about ORD barely seeing any A380s, that's why I didn't mention it. As far as SFO, I disagree with you. Chances are most Asian airlines that will operate the aircraft will send it to SFO eventually, along with a couple European carriers. Yes, LAX and JFK will get the most in the U.S, but SFO will get its fair share.
 
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RE: The Most Likely A380 Routes, For All Airlines.

Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:12 pm

Lufthansa and Air France will send their A380's to Tokyo or Bust. Hong Kong will also be an early route for the two European airlines. For AF, Montreal and JFK will be amog the first routes since an airplane can do a round trip. Lufthansa will do teh UA hubs and JFK.
 
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RE: The Most Likely A380 Routes, For All Airlines.

Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:28 pm

Quoting Kaitak744 (Thread starter):
Emirates 43---22 routes
DXB-LHR, and who knows...

DXB-LHR--2 flights 2 aircrafts
DXB-SYD--1 flight 2 aircrafts
DXB-MEL--1 flight 2 aircrafts
DXB-JFK---1 flight 2 aircrafts
DXB-MNL---1 flight 1 aircraft
DXB-SIN---1 aircraft
DXB-BKK--2 aircrafts--2 flights
DXB-PER--1 aircraft.

5 aircraft for short range medium density routes like BOM/DEL/KHI and HAJ operations.

So thats about 18 aircraft f.... knows where they are gonna put the remaining.

Quoting Kaitak744 (Thread starter):
Kingfisher Airlines 5---2 routes
BOM-LHR, BOM-SYD

BOM-LHR will definitly not utilise that much cpacity given the amount of capacity on it already---BOM-SYD
QF dont fill a 333 3x weekly i doubt an A380 will be filled

VJM did say in the airbus press release that he would want to use it on the BOM-JFK sector with 496 seats ---honestly i do not see him using it anywhere but since he has got to put it some where.

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RE: The Most Likely A380 Routes, For All Airlines.

Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:46 pm

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 23):
So thats about 18 aircraft f.... knows where they are gonna put the remaining.

Lease them to other airlines.....?
 
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RE: The Most Likely A380 Routes, For All Airlines.

Sat Jan 13, 2007 1:23 am

Quoting Juventus (Reply 21):
As far as SFO, I disagree with you.

Hey, living in the Bay Area, I personally wouldn't mind seeing a few of the Big Beasts landing on to the 28's..or even the 19's like this QF below... Smile


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..that being said, I'm not as sanguine as you......SQ might be one carrier and if CX purchase the A380, might be the other carrier, but that's about it for now...
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RE: The Most Likely A380 Routes, For All Airlines.

Sat Jan 13, 2007 1:55 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 25):
Quoting Juventus (Reply 21):
As far as SFO, I disagree with you.

Hey, living in the Bay Area, I personally wouldn't mind seeing a few of the Big Beasts landing on to the 28's..or even the 19's like this QF below... Smile


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..that being said, I'm not as sanguine as you......SQ might be one carrier and if CX purchase the A380, might be the other carrier, but that's about it for now...

I suspect if more than a couple 380s show up each day at SFO, they will quickly wear out their welcome. The problem is SFO's runways and taxiways are just a little too close together for the A380, so when landing or takeing off or even moving around on the ground, the nearby taxiways and runway will have to be closed. Since this is about a 15 minute period, it wouldn't be too painful if fairly infrequent. Just what the threshold of pain is, well we will have to wait and see.
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RE: The Most Likely A380 Routes, For All Airlines.

Sat Jan 13, 2007 3:22 am

in a germany aviation magazine the ceo of korean air reported that he will use the a380 to fra --> after beeing ask for routes of the a380 , he told that in the high competition market of icn - fra they have to use the best airplane - but i guess he just tried to be polite and LAX / CDG will be on top of the list
 
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RE: The Most Likely A380 Routes, For All Airlines.

Sat Jan 13, 2007 3:45 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 9):
Singapore Airlines 19---9 routes
SIN-NRT-LAX, SIN-HKG-SFO, (3x)SIN-SYD, (3x)SIN-LHR, SIN-FRA. **(1-1 long-haul 744 replacement)

Just a thought.. Anyone seeing SIN-EWR route?

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 11):
For the A380 this could mean you try to avoid flights longer then say 10-10.5 hours to increase utilization. However many other network considerations of course..

...or rather not - for the reasons above?
This flight is 18hrs+ but it's usually packed so I guess SQ might want to expand the capacity. Technically, 2 units could serve a route, I guess.
 
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RE: The Most Likely A380 Routes, For All Airlines.

Sat Jan 13, 2007 3:50 am

Quoting ForgotMyNick (Reply 28):
Just a thought.. Anyone seeing SIN-EWR route?

The WhaleJet doesn't have the range to serve SIN-EWR.
 
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RE: The Most Likely A380 Routes, For All Airlines.

Sat Jan 13, 2007 4:08 am

The one destination everyone seems to be forgetting is JNB. ORTIA is currently building a new international pier that is capable of handling at least two A380's, and will be complete this year still. I wouldnt be surprised to see CDG-JNB with AF, FRA-JNB with LH, or LHR-JNB with VS operating the A380. Anyone who has tried to get a ticket on these routes recently will tell you a. how difficult it is, b. how full the flights are, and c. how expensive it is!
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RE: The Most Likely A380 Routes, For All Airlines.

Sat Jan 13, 2007 4:12 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Thread starter):
Air France 10--- 5 routes
CDG-YUL, CDG-NRT, CDG-JFK, CDG-LAX, ?

Can't see YUL in this as the traffic between Paris and Montreal is not that big AF is flying with a 60% load last summer and that was with a much smaller aircraft
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RE: The Most Likely A380 Routes, For All Airlines.

Sat Jan 13, 2007 4:21 am

Quoting PanAmOldDC8 (Reply 31):
Can't see YUL in this as the traffic between Paris and Montreal is not that big AF is flying with a 60% load last summer and that was with a much smaller aircraft

 wideeyed 

Where did you get that ?
AF has 3 x Daily flights on CDG-YUL-CDG during the summer. Next summer 2007 : 2 x Daily B744 + 1 x Daily A332/A343.

A 4th DAILY flight should be added for the summer 2008.

If there is a typical line that desserve the A380, CDG-YUL is the one !

And AF has announced already a longtime ago that the A380 will be launched on CDG-YUL, maybe even before CDG-JFK.
 
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Sat Jan 13, 2007 4:23 am

It's more or less logical to sent the 380 first to AMS i.s.o. CDG (as mentioned before) as AMS is already served daily from CAN via PEK and CDG get's only 2 weekly services next to 3x AF with A343.

As far as I know Schiphol is not set up for the A380 and, at this time, has no plans to do so.
 
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RE: The Most Likely A380 Routes, For All Airlines.

Sat Jan 13, 2007 4:49 am

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 32):
Where did you get that ?

From an Air France employee in YUL
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RE: The Most Likely A380 Routes, For All Airlines.

Sat Jan 13, 2007 5:01 am

If my memory serves me right I believe that AF is planning on flying the plane to Mexico City as well as Miami. Lufthansa was going to fly it to Mexico City and India, and Emirates will have 3 configurations of the A380 and will use the high density configuration to fly to India.
 
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RE: The Most Likely A380 Routes, For All Airlines.

Sat Jan 13, 2007 5:10 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 9):
Lufthansa 15---7 routes
FRA-JFK, FRA-LAX, FRA-NRT, ?, ?, ?, ?

Here i would add FRA-BKK, FRA-JNB, FRA-DEL, FRA-MIA, FRA-HKG, FRA-SIN, FRA-ORD

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RE: The Most Likely A380 Routes, For All Airlines.

Sat Jan 13, 2007 5:13 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Thread starter):
Lufthansa 15---7 routes
FRA-JFK, FRA-LAX, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?

FRA :-NRT , -HKG , -PDG,-DFW,-MIA,-JNB,-GRU,-EZE,-PEK,-SIN,...
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RE: The Most Likely A380 Routes, For All Airlines.

Sat Jan 13, 2007 5:16 am

Quoting Desediez (Reply 36):
Here i would add FRA-BKK, FRA-JNB, FRA-DEL, FRA-MIA, FRA-HKG, FRA-SIN, FRA-ORD



Quoting Desediez (Reply 36):
FRA :-NRT , -HKG , -PDG,-DFW,-MIA,-JNB,-GRU,-EZE,-PEK,-SIN,...

Thats too much for 15 planes.

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 23):

Quoting Kaitak744 (Thread starter):
Kingfisher Airlines 5---2 routes
BOM-LHR, BOM-SYD

BOM-LHR will definitly not utilise that much cpacity given the amount of capacity on it already---BOM-SYD
QF dont fill a 333 3x weekly i doubt an A380 will be filled

I was thinking about Kingfisher serving the kangaroo route.

::Update::

Air France 10--- 5 routes
CDG-YUL, CDG-NRT, CDG-JFK, CDG-LAX, CDG-PEK

China Southern 5---2 routes
CAN-LAX, CAN-CDG

Emirates 43---22 routes
(2x)DXB-LHR, DXB-NRT, DXB-JFK, DXB-SYD, DXB-MEL, DXB-SIN, DXB-BKK, DXB-MNL, DXB-PER, DXB-BOM, DXB-DEL, ?......

Etihad Airways 4---2 routes
AUH-LHR, ?

Kingfisher Airlines 5---2 routes
BOM-LHR, BOM-SYD

Korean Air 5---2 routes
ICN-LAX, ICN-LHR

Lufthansa 15---7 routes
FRA-JFK, FRA-LAX, FRA-NRT, FRA-HKG, FRA-JNB, FRA-DEL, FRA-MIA

Malaysia Airlines 6---3 routes
KUL-LHR, KUL-SYD, KUL-MEL

Qantas 20---10 routes
MEL-LAX, (2x)SYD-LAX, MEL-AKL-LAX, SYD-SIN-LHR, SYD-HKG-LHR, MEL-SIN-LHR, MEL-HKG-LHR.

Qatar Airways 2---1 route
DOH-LHR

Singapore Airlines 19---9 routes
SIN-NRT-LAX, SIN-HKG-SFO, (3x)SIN-SYD, (3x)SIN-LHR, SIN-FRA. **(1-1 long-haul 744 replacement)

Thai Airways 6---3 routes
BKK-LHR, ?, ?

Virgin Atlantic 6---3 routes
LHR-JFK, LHR-LAX, LHR-HKG-SYD
 
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RE: The Most Likely A380 Routes, For All Airlines.

Sat Jan 13, 2007 5:53 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Thread starter):
the routes which are most likely to have the A380

You are forgetting the busiest route so far, TLS-XFW  Smile (ok not airline)
 
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RE: The Most Likely A380 Routes, For All Airlines.

Sat Jan 13, 2007 6:38 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 38):
Korean Air 5---2 routes
ICN-LAX, ICN-LHR

CDG or FRA will probably get the A380 before LHR. LHR wasn't even daily with KE a couple of years ago, and during Winter 2005/2006 it even got downgraded to a 772.

Quoting Centrair (Reply 6):
That leaves one plane free... running back and forth to NRT or to HKG.

While I fully agree on HKG, I think NRT would have been more likely if GMP-HND was never introduced.
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RE: The Most Likely A380 Routes, For All Airlines.

Sat Jan 13, 2007 6:49 am

Quoting Desediez (Reply 36):
FRA-SIN,

I fly this route frequently. My preference (and evidently that of many others) is SQ over LH. On the late SQ FRA-SIN flight that flies wingtips with the LH flight, I always have to waitlist for a seat. Normally, my PPS status is enough to clear the waitlist and I get a seat on SQ, but there is always the waitlist. There is, in my experience (always in C or F), always a seat available on the LH flight.
 
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RE: The Most Likely A380 Routes, For All Airlines.

Sat Jan 13, 2007 7:14 am

Hi all

I'll add an intresting thought EK DXB-MAN or DXB-MAN-US I heard thats why the 3rd MAN service will happen to use 5th freedom rights to the US starting originally on the 332 or 772 and building up to the 77W then the 388

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RE: The Most Likely A380 Routes, For All Airlines.

Sat Jan 13, 2007 7:18 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Thread starter):
Lufthansa 15---7 routes
FRA-JFK, FRA-LAX, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?

add ORD to that list. Probably the only carrier that has said they will fly the beast to ORD.
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RE: The Most Likely A380 Routes, For All Airlines.

Sat Jan 13, 2007 7:41 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 11):

Sorry for the mis-information and thank you for the correction. I forgot that the also ordered the A345's  Smile
 
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RE: The Most Likely A380 Routes, For All Airlines.

Sat Jan 13, 2007 8:00 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Thread starter):
Emirates 43---22 routes
DXB-LHR, and who knows...



Quoting Kaitak744 (Thread starter):
Korean Air 5---2 routes
ICN-LAX, ICN-LHR

I'd add JFK, definitely, to those..

Quoting Kaitak744 (Thread starter):
Thai Airways 6---3 routes
?, ?, ?

I'd assume the 380 for Thai would be used on LAX routes..
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RE: The Most Likely A380 Routes, For All Airlines.

Sat Jan 13, 2007 8:05 am

Quoting ORDRyan28 (Reply 45):
Quoting Kaitak744 (Thread starter):
Thai Airways 6---3 routes
?, ?, ?

I'd assume the 380 for Thai would be used on LAX routes..

Having the largest Thai population outside Thailand, one would assume Los Angeles to be Thai Airways' busiest route. But they only have a daily A340-500/A340-600 on the route.
 
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RE: The Most Likely A380 Routes, For All Airlines.

Sat Jan 13, 2007 8:23 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 46):

Having the largest Thai population outside Thailand, one would assume Los Angeles to be Thai Airways' busiest route. But they only have a daily A340-500/A340-600 on the route.

that's true. It really makes me wonder. well, if they can significantly fill an A346, I'd assume (on occasion) the 380 would be suitable.
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RE: The Most Likely A380 Routes, For All Airlines.

Sat Jan 13, 2007 8:24 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 11):
IIRC, there were reports (comments actually) where SQ was concerned about Airbus doing HKG-SIN (and one of the reasons as to why CX is hesitating on ordering the A380)..and that's only 11,200km.....

= What!!! HKG-SIN is 11,200kms? For a small sum, I am sure I can find you a shorter route.

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RE: The Most Likely A380 Routes, For All Airlines.

Sat Jan 13, 2007 8:46 am

Quoting ORDRyan28 (Reply 45):
I'd assume the 380 for Thai would be used on LAX routes..

The WhaleJet doesn't have the range to operate LAX-BKK nonstop. It's not even close.