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South African Coming To Buenos Aires EZE

Sat Jan 13, 2007 6:40 am

SAA will start to fly to Buenos Aires starting July 8, 2007, three times a week with A340-200s. I have not seen evidence of additional service to Sao Paulo, so apparently SAA is betting on starting EZE before increasing frequencies in Brazil. An EZE flight on SAA may be the nail in the coffin of Malaysia's presence there.
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RE: South African Coming To Buenos Aires EZE

Sat Jan 13, 2007 6:57 am

I believe the goal of SA is to eventually offer 14 weekly flights between GRU and South Africa. I am glad that SA is also going to be flying to EZE soon (CPT-EZE right?), but a bit sad because it will most likely kill MH's services. Please let us know the times and days of the week when that info becomes available!

It is great to see airlines like SA (and soon NZ) flying to EZE!
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RE: South African Coming To Buenos Aires EZE

Sat Jan 13, 2007 7:01 am

EZE really is growing a reputation within the Airline industry and it is great. However, I fear that MH might just ditch this route now however it is too my understanding that leader of Malaysia has land in Argentina but he was only allowed to buy it there if MH started flights there so maybe the route won't go.
 
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RE: South African Coming To Buenos Aires EZE

Sat Jan 13, 2007 7:13 am

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 2):
however it is too my understanding that leader of Malaysia has land in Argentina

It was the former leader. This kind of political interference IMO ruins MH's chance of making bigger profits
 
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RE: South African Coming To Buenos Aires EZE

Sat Jan 13, 2007 7:19 am

Quoting Incitatus (Thread starter):
SAA will start to fly to Buenos Aires starting July 8, 2007, three times a week with A340-200s. I have not seen evidence of additional service to Sao Paulo, so apparently SAA is betting on starting EZE before increasing frequencies in Brazil. An EZE flight on SAA may be the nail in the coffin of Malaysia's presence there.

Any chance of an extention to SCL?. 5th traffic rights could make it attractive.
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RE: South African Coming To Buenos Aires EZE

Sat Jan 13, 2007 7:21 am

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 1):
Please let us know the times and days of the week when that info becomes available!

Wednesdays, Fridays and Saturdays
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RE: South African Coming To Buenos Aires EZE

Sat Jan 13, 2007 7:33 am

Quoting Eastern023 (Reply 4):
Any chance of an extention to SCL?. 5th traffic rights could make it attractive.

SAA is timing the flight to match the departure and arrival times of the JNB-GRU-JNB flights. Passengers from/to Buenos Aires will have almost the same connection possibilities as those from/to Sao Paulo. If the flight is extended to Santiago, the schedule will be very different as it will add 4 hours of flying time and more than two hours on the ground to the roundtrip. So I think it's unlikely.
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RE: South African Coming To Buenos Aires EZE

Sat Jan 13, 2007 8:11 am

Quoting Eastern023 (Reply 4):
Any chance of an extention to SCL?. 5th traffic rights could make it attractive.

Maybe LAN will go to JNB or CPT?
 
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RE: South African Coming To Buenos Aires EZE

Sat Jan 13, 2007 8:17 am

Great news, and it will be even better if they keep the route for the world cup in 2010  Wink
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RE: South African Coming To Buenos Aires EZE

Sat Jan 13, 2007 9:54 am

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 3):
Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 2):
however it is too my understanding that leader of Malaysia has land in Argentina

It was the former leader. This kind of political interference IMO ruins MH's chance of making bigger profits

"political inteference" ? what do you mean by that - it appears that SA have decided there is a market for JBN-EZE - I fail to understand how that constitutes "political interference"
 
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RE: South African Coming To Buenos Aires EZE

Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:04 am

Quoting Incitatus (Thread starter):
I have not seen evidence of additional service to Sao Paulo, so apparently SAA is betting on starting EZE before increasing frequencies in Brazil.

No doubt Emirates and OceanAir are pushing SAA to reconsider all their growth perspective of flights between Brazil and South Africa.
So, except for GIG, there isn't more room in South America in the short term for SAA.
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RE: South African Coming To Buenos Aires EZE

Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:14 am

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 9):
"political inteference" ? what do you mean by that - it appears that SA have decided there is a market for JBN-EZE - I fail to understand how that constitutes "political interference"

Kiwiandrew, what Planemanofaz was referring to has nothing to do with South Africa. He meant the former leader of Malaysia, Dr Mahathir Mohd.

Malaysia Airlines has kept this loss making route KUL-JNB-CPT-EZE alive for this long because the government wants it. In this day and age of airline rationalisation, MH is still stuck in that realm of "prestige" and they proudly proclaim themselves as an airline that operates to ALL 6 continents of the world, while bleeding profusely. Although in recent times, MH has attempted to climb out of the doldrums with several turn-around business plans but the government interference never fails to resurface. I shall see if their present plan will pull them out this time.

Since SA is now going to operate this route, instead if killing off MH, it would do good if the latter would come up with a code-share arrangement with the former and this would certainly solve a lot of woes. Since SA's plan is for a 14pw service, this would certainly up MH's pathetic present 3pw.
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RE: South African Coming To Buenos Aires EZE

Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:55 pm

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 1):
It is great to see airlines like SA (and soon NZ) flying to EZE!

Hello Eddie, I was just wondering where is there a link about NZ in EZE? Not that I am doubting you, just want to know more about their plans.  Smile
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RE: South African Coming To Buenos Aires EZE

Sat Jan 13, 2007 1:11 pm

Quoting Incitatus (Thread starter):
An EZE flight on SAA may be the nail in the coffin of Malaysia's presence there.



Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 2):
I fear that MH might just ditch this route now however it is too my understanding that leader of Malaysia has land in Argentina but he was only allowed to buy it there if MH started flights there so maybe the route won't go.

No, not going to happen. Commercial purposes are higher priority. "We fly to every continent of the planet".

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 7):
Maybe LAN will go to JNB or CPT?

Let them get their 6th A340-300 to make SYD go daily, that's their real priority. Plus, I don't really think there's a real market for them to start a route to South Africa.

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RE: South African Coming To Buenos Aires EZE

Sat Jan 13, 2007 1:27 pm

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 12):
Hello Eddie, I was just wondering where is there a link about NZ in EZE? Not that I am doubting you, just want to know more about their plans.



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*One new destination per year
*in process figuring out where to launch new route in October 2007....
*....Shanghai - London is consider....
*....or a city in Continental Europe....
...and the new cities are: Beijing, Buenos Aires, Chicago and Mumbai

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RE: South African Coming To Buenos Aires EZE

Sat Jan 13, 2007 7:36 pm

Good to see them expanding!

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 1):
It is great to see airlines like SA (and soon NZ) flying to EZE!

I'm not quite sure how soon NZ will be in EZE, it could be quite soon but it may also not happen for another few years.
 
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RE: South African Coming To Buenos Aires EZE

Sat Jan 13, 2007 8:30 pm

Great News!!!

I hope this new service will be feeded by traffic coming from other Latin American cities.

If I am not mistaking, MX flight from Mexico City arrives EZE early in the morning (arround 8 AM?), so there would be time for a perfect connection with the SA flight to JNB. Furthermore, as ex-"alliance colleagues" of Star Alliance, I hope they will think about talking to South African in order to build promos, and sell the service in Mexico. I think there would be no more direct way to reach South Africa from Mexico than this.

Congratulations to EZE!
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RE: South African Coming To Buenos Aires EZE

Sat Jan 13, 2007 8:50 pm

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 9):
"political inteference" ? what do you mean by that - it appears that SA have decided there is a market for JBN-EZE - I fail to understand how that constitutes "political interference"

I didn't mention anything about SA it was MH and Ryanair's post pretty much sums up the situation about the interference of the Malaysian Govt.
 
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RE: South African Coming To Buenos Aires EZE

Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:51 pm

Quoting BA0242 (Reply 16):
think there would be no more direct way to reach South Africa from Mexico than this.

Connections via, for example, IAD or AMS are still more convenient. In addition, GRU still offers better connection as well because as of June SA will fly JNB-GRU 10 x week.

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RE: South African Coming To Buenos Aires EZE

Sun Jan 14, 2007 12:29 am

Just curious. How are flights from South Africa routed to South America? do they go straight across the atlantic or do they go north then head south considering the jet streams?
 
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RE: South African Coming To Buenos Aires EZE

Sun Jan 14, 2007 12:36 am

I am surprised that SA doesn't offer some flights from CPT to GRU and EZE. I would think there would be demand for flights between CPT and this South American cities. I could be wrong, but I would guess that flights from JNB to EZE would overfly CPT. Perhaps, it would be profitable for some of these flights to stop in CPT to pick up or drop off passengers, rather than have them backtrack to JNB for flights to South America.

I also wonder if and when SA will start flight to GIG. GIG seems like the next logical expansion for SA in South America. Eventually, SA could extend GIG service to SCL.
 
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RE: South African Coming To Buenos Aires EZE

Sun Jan 14, 2007 1:58 am

Quoting Brasuca (Reply 10):
So, except for GIG, there isn't more room in South America in the short term for SAA.

If SA wants to fly to the U.S.A. via SSA or REC, yes there could be.

Quoting IAD380 (Reply 20):
I also wonder if and when SA will start flight to GIG. GIG seems like the next logical expansion for SA in South America. Eventually, SA could extend GIG service to SCL.

If SA wants to fly to SCL, they could codeshare with LA from GRU or EZE, or have their own narrowbody aircraft station in GRU to fly them between Chile and Brazil (like IB did in MIA with its Centralamerican flights).

I could guess that there could be some interests in both South Africa and The Caribbean to have airline services between them, I really doubt that it would be profitable for SA to fly to KIN, POS, BGI, GEO. The best SA could do, if there's a demand would be to fly from GRU to those destinations in smaller aircraft. EZE is too far south for such an hypothetical airline service venture.
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RE: South African Coming To Buenos Aires EZE

Sun Jan 14, 2007 4:37 am

Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 11):
Malaysia Airlines has kept this loss making route KUL-JNB-CPT-EZE alive for this long because the government wants it. In this day and age of airline rationalisation, MH is still stuck in that realm of "prestige" and they proudly proclaim themselves as an airline that operates to ALL 6 continents of the world, while bleeding profusely.

RG use to keep the same idea of business, we saw the results....

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 18):
Connections via, for example, IAD or AMS are still more convenient. In addition, GRU still offers better connection as well because as of June SA will fly JNB-GRU 10 x week

Hardi, they probably will review their plans because of the Ocean Air daily flight to JNB, i doubt there is so much market for 17 weekly flights as of July.

Quoting IAD380 (Reply 20):
I also wonder if and when SA will start flight to GIG. GIG seems like the next logical expansion for SA in South America. Eventually, SA could extend GIG service to SCL.

GIG-JNB is SA plans for 2008, but we could see changes due to the new Ocean Air flight GRU-JNB. Although GRU is the main business market, GIG could become an advantage for SA against Ocean Air IMO. Not to forget the main investors in Africa (from Brazil) are respectively Petrobras and Vale do Rio Doce and SA all the times promote parties and events in Rio for their two largest Brazilian corporate customers.

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RE: South African Coming To Buenos Aires EZE

Sun Jan 14, 2007 5:06 am

Quoting Incitatus (Thread starter):
An EZE flight on SAA may be the nail in the coffin of Malaysia's presence there.



Quoting EddieDude (Reply 1):
but a bit sad because it will most likely kill MH's services.



Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 2):
However, I fear that MH might just ditch this route now however it is too my understanding that leader of Malaysia has land in Argentina but he was only allowed to buy it there if MH started flights there so maybe the route won't go.



Quoting VHVXB (Reply 3):
This kind of political interference IMO ruins MH's chance of making bigger profits



Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 9):
"political inteference" ? what do you mean by that - it appears that SA have decided there is a market for JBN-EZE - I fail to understand how that constitutes "political interference"



Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 11):
Kiwiandrew, what Planemanofaz was referring to has nothing to do with South Africa. He meant the former leader of Malaysia, Dr Mahathir Mohd.

Malaysia Airlines has kept this loss making route KUL-JNB-CPT-EZE alive for this long because the government wants it. In this day and age of airline rationalisation, MH is still stuck in that realm of "prestige" and they proudly proclaim themselves as an airline that operates to ALL 6 continents of the world, while bleeding profusely. Although in recent times, MH has attempted to climb out of the doldrums with several turn-around business plans but the government interference never fails to resurface. I shall see if their present plan will pull them out this time.

Since SA is now going to operate this route, instead if killing off MH, it would do good if the latter would come up with a code-share arrangement with the former and this would certainly solve a lot of woes. Since SA's plan is for a 14pw service, this would certainly up MH's pathetic present 3pw.



Quoting VHVXB (Reply 17):
it was MH and Ryanair's post pretty much sums up the situation about the interference of the Malaysian Govt.

How can we discuss EZE without associating it with MH, isn't it? I bet MH was the "best" thing that ever happened to EZEBig grin

MH has announced in a lot of news articles that they are currently in talks with SA for a join code operation. I am really hoping that the deal will be signed and MH will finally withdrawn (their equipment) from EZE for good. This is very crucial considering MH's present financial state.

Tun Dr. Mahathir Mohamad is no longer the premier and the current top political figures seemed not too interested in interfering with MH's affairs. Although there are still some interferences being "organised" every now and then, it was mostly done by non prominent political figures. I hope this will give ways to CEO Idris Jala to finally dropped EZE. MH has came out with some business strategies which in my opinion can defend them from any political interference. Their latest 16 tier price structure for instance, will eliminate all attempts by these political figures on MH's high fares. I hope they will someday come out with a strategy so that they finally can say "NO" to a government's order to operate to certain routes (ARN and EWR for example).

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RE: South African Coming To Buenos Aires EZE

Sun Jan 14, 2007 8:47 am

Quoting BA0242 (Reply 16):
think there would be no more direct way to reach South Africa from Mexico than this.

I agree that flying MEX-GRU-JNB or MEX-EZE-JNB would be much more direct than flying via Europe or via ATL. If RG is back to MEX before the 2010 World Cup, I am sure they are going to be getting a lot of business... if not, then MX should seriously consider codesharing with SA for the EZE-JNB flights.
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