thomasphoto60
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"Air India One Step Closer To Houston"...?

Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:03 am

Per the HAS website, via Jim @ the IAH Spotters Club.

http://www.fly2houston.com/0/93828/0/1906D1934/

Discuss....

Thomas
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RE: "Air India One Step Closer To Houston"...?

Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:22 am

Will it be BOM-IAH or DEL-IAH? IATA Winter '07 or Summer '08?
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RE: "Air India One Step Closer To Houston"...?

Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:35 am

Quoting BlrBird (Reply 1):
Will it be BOM-IAH or DEL-IAH? IATA Winter '07 or Summer '08?

Let's hope its a Chennai-Houston daily nonstop!!  wink 
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RE: "Air India One Step Closer To Houston"...?

Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:44 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 2):

Jay, you know thats not happening, and I see you picking up another row with our doctor friend. Why dont you pm him the link for this thread.

Let the fireworks begin Big grin

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RE: "Air India One Step Closer To Houston"...?

Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:01 am

Quoting BlrBird (Reply 1):
Will it be BOM-IAH or DEL-IAH? IATA Winter '07 or Summer '08?

Well I don't see a firm commitment on AI's part to start any of the listed cities, however I suspect they will. That said, being the 'negative nellie' that I am, I would say that IAH would be at the bottom of the list of proposed US gateways. Given that AI moves at glacial speeds, I would not look to see AI at IAH before '09'

Just my .02

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manny
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RE: "Air India One Step Closer To Houston"...?

Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:38 am

Based on news that AI was close to joining the STAR ALLIANCE there is a better chance that the first two new destinations would be IAD and SFO for obvious reasons. Since 9W intends to fly to SFO in the near future, the flight to IAD might start before the flight to SFO. IAH if it happens would come after that.

Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 4):
Given that AI moves at glacial speeds

AI does not move at glacial speeds, i think you are referring to the process of A/C acquistion which had a lot to do with how the Government of India functions in these cases.
 
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RE: "Air India One Step Closer To Houston"...?

Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:52 am

Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 4):
Given that AI moves at glacial speeds, I would not look to see AI at IAH before '09'

= Now now ... given global warming, we have seen that glaciers have picked up speed. AI cannot be far behind. I actually think AI has done well with its limited aircrafts.

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RE: "Air India One Step Closer To Houston"...?

Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:05 pm

Quoting BlrBird (Reply 1):
Will it be BOM-IAH or DEL-IAH? IATA Winter '07 or Summer '08?

Those would be -200LR routes for sure if they are going to start in '07/'08..I could also see them as potential 787 routes down the line....
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RE: "Air India One Step Closer To Houston"...?

Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:16 pm

Quoting Manny (Reply 5):
Based on news that AI was close to joining the STAR ALLIANCE there is a better chance that the first two new destinations would be IAD and SFO for obvious reasons.

So, because AI has not joined Star, that makes them more likely to start SFO and IAD before IAH? Could you please elaborate as it’s not obvious to me?

Quoting Manny (Reply 5):
IAH if it happens would come after that.

If it happens?
 
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RE: "Air India One Step Closer To Houston"...?

Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:38 pm

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 8):
So, because AI has not joined Star, that makes them more likely to start SFO and IAD before IAH? Could you please elaborate as it’s not obvious to me?

SFO & IAD are UA hubs. UA is a biggest STAR alliance carrier in US. Since AI is close to joining STAR Alliance it makes more sense they would fly to a STAR Alliance base where they have pretty good O&D demand as well as an oppurtunity to get a feeder traffic from UA. Hope that clarifies things.

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 8):
If it happens?

We will all know when AI makes an annoucement.
 
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RE: "Air India One Step Closer To Houston"...?

Sat Jan 13, 2007 7:04 pm

I would be shocked if AI shows up at IAH in 2007. I really don't even think they will show up in 2008. Down the road I could see AI or Jet starting service in the 2009 or 2010 timeframe. In fact, if an Indian carrier is not serving IAH and/or DFW by 2010 then CO will from IAH. AA will not have an aircraft capable of nonstop service to India from DFW by that time, but could conceivably start a one-stop thru flight via Europe. CO could start nonstop service from IAH with their 787's, and would be foolish not to if their is not an Indian carrier in the market by that time.
 
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RE: "Air India One Step Closer To Houston"...?

Sun Jan 14, 2007 1:47 am

Quoting Pbb152 (Reply 10):
would be shocked if AI shows up at IAH in 2007. I really don't even think they will show up in 2008. Down the road I could see AI or Jet starting service in the 2009 or 2010 timeframe

Totally agree with you on this one mate---the indian carriers will have to solidify their holds on their current markets in JFK EWR ORD and reclaim lost ground on unestablished markets like LAX.

This will be done by putting brand new products and right aircraft capacity on the given route.

Like a 77W will be perfect for the markets of LAX and EWR and a combination of the 772LR along with the current one stop being operated by a 77W would work wonders for the markets of JFK and ORD.

And once these markets are strongholds priority will be given to the likes of SFO followed IAH

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RE: "Air India One Step Closer To Houston"...?

Sun Jan 14, 2007 2:36 am

I didn't see a definite commitment; all that's happening is Air India is buying some airplanes. With the number of South Asians buying homes in Houston, I'd expect it to happen, but until the actual announcement I would not guarantee anything.
 
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RE: "Air India One Step Closer To Houston"...?

Sun Jan 14, 2007 3:52 am

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 11):
Like a 77W will be perfect for the markets of LAX and EWR and a combination of the 772LR along with the current one stop being operated by a 77W would work wonders for the markets of JFK and ORD.

Did you mean 772LR for LAX and 773ER for EWR? Seems like LAX-BOM non-stop may be impossible with 773ER, and LAX-DEL may be difficult without significant payload penalty. I base this on the following analysis:

CO has not experienced any technical stops flying EWR-DEL--a distance of 7324 miles--with 772ER which has a stated range of 8937 miles. However, DL has already experienced technical stops on JFK-BOM-- a distance of 7799 miles--with 772ER. Seems like the EWR-DEL flight at 82% of 772ER's range works, while the JFK-BOM flight at 87% of 772ER range needs occasional technical stops.

LAX-DEL is 8013 miles, and LAX-BOM is 8709 miles. The stated range for 773ER is 9121 miles, which IMO makes BOM impossible at 95% of 773ER's range, and DEL a possibility at 88% of 773ER's range with occasional technical stops.

JFK-DEL is at 80%, and JFK-BOM at 86% of 773ER's range.
 
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RE: "Air India One Step Closer To Houston"...?

Sun Jan 14, 2007 4:00 am

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 13):
I base this on the following analysis:

Lets not forget that the CO 777s are GE90 powered and the DL 777s are RR Trent powered. That does make a difference.
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RE: "Air India One Step Closer To Houston"...?

Sun Jan 14, 2007 4:10 am

Quoting B747-437B (Reply 14):
Lets not forget that the CO 777s are GE90 powered and the DL 777s are RR Trent powered. That does make a difference.

Does that mean GE90s are better optimised for cruising?
 
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RE: "Air India One Step Closer To Houston"...?

Sun Jan 14, 2007 4:14 am

Quoting Pbb152 (Reply 10):
CO could start nonstop service from IAH with their 787's, and would be foolish not to if their is not an Indian carrier in the market by that time.

The 787-8 (that's the model CO ordered, correct me if I'm wrong) seems to be a perfect fit for the route. It's efficient, has the legs, and it's not a huge jet to fill.

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 11):
And once these markets are strongholds priority will be given to the likes of SFO followed IAH

I wouldn't be completely sure. Every time I fly Europe-Houston or the other way, generally half or more of the flight are people transiting from India to Houston. The airlines who don't want nonstop US-India services are AF, BA, LH, KLM, etc, as they will lose a lot of connecting passengers.
 
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RE: "Air India One Step Closer To Houston"...?

Sun Jan 14, 2007 6:33 am

Quoting Manny (Reply 9):
SFO & IAD are UA hubs. UA is a biggest STAR alliance carrier in US. Since AI is close to joining STAR Alliance it makes more sense they would fly to a STAR Alliance base where they have pretty good O&D demand as well as an oppurtunity to get a feeder traffic from UA. Hope that clarifies things.

AI already flies 10x a week to ORD (now 7x due to fleet shortage)... Im assuming when AI joins Star, their frequencies will increase at ORD to something like 14x.
 
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RE: "Air India One Step Closer To Houston"...?

Sun Jan 14, 2007 7:11 am

Quoting Manny (Reply 5):
Based on news that AI was close to joining the STAR ALLIANCE there is a better chance that the first two new destinations would be IAD and SFO for obvious reasons.



Quoting CHI787ORD (Reply 17):
AI already flies 10x a week to ORD (now 7x due to fleet shortage)... Im assuming when AI joins Star, their frequencies will increase at ORD to something like 14x.

Ironically i remember mentioning this in another thread. They had 10 frequencies to ORD and now are down to 7x weekly. ( 4 via FRA, 3 via LHR).

But if you look at my previous reply i was talking about new destinations not existing ones.  sigh 
 
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RE: "Air India One Step Closer To Houston"...?

Sun Jan 14, 2007 7:18 am

I don't think AI ever flew 10x weekly to ORD.

They had a 3x weekly service via LHR. When FRA came online again a few years ago, they increased services to ORD to a daily run.
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RE: "Air India One Step Closer To Houston"...?

Sun Jan 14, 2007 7:33 am

Houston doesn't seem to be that important in Air India's wish list but since Pakistan flies there, there has to be something to Houston. With service to Newark, JFK, ORD and LAX the next US city for Air India should be Washington or Miami.
 
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RE: "Air India One Step Closer To Houston"...?

Sun Jan 14, 2007 8:03 am

To be truly competitive, AI needs to launch nonstop JFK-DEL or JFK-BOM flights or both, as soon as possible. The company should also look to update its tatty image and join an alliance. Makes more sense for AI to join Skyteam than Star. AI has through service via CDG more than any other Star hub apart from LHR and can also benefit from multiple connections to the USA via AMS on Sky carrier NW.

There is a significant Indian population in and around Houston, but I do not see a Houston-India market. The PIA flights operate via MAN.

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RE: "Air India One Step Closer To Houston"...?

Sun Jan 14, 2007 8:14 am

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 20):
the next US city for Air India should be Washington or Miami.

Miami?

AI to IAH is a matter of when not if. If you guys think Houston lacks the O&D then I suggest you take a stroll through the Texas medical center.
 
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RE: "Air India One Step Closer To Houston"...?

Sun Jan 14, 2007 8:29 am

Quoting ContinentalEWR (Reply 21):
AI has through service via CDG more than any other Star hub apart from LHR

AI flies from CDG to EWR.

AI flies from FRA to LAX and ORD.
AI flies from LHR to JFK and ORD.

Hmm....
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RE: "Air India One Step Closer To Houston"...?

Sun Jan 14, 2007 8:46 am

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 20):
Houston doesn't seem to be that important in Air India's wish list but since Pakistan flies there, there has to be something to Houston.

A lot of Indians and Pakistanis are moving to Houston, and then there are the visitors to the Texas Medical Center. They will support the trips. Supposedly, Houston has the largest concentration of South Asians in the United States outside of New York City.
 
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RE: "Air India One Step Closer To Houston"...?

Sun Jan 14, 2007 9:10 am

Quoting Toxtethogrady (Reply 24):
Houston has the largest concentration of South Asians in the United States outside of New York City.

Uh oh.....I think you just opened up a tin of worms there pal. Someone will likely challenge you assertions (probably A.Netters from the Chicago, D.C. and LA areas) with all sorts of useless out-of-date MSA stats, ethnic breakdowns from various US cities stating that Indo-Pakistani numbers from their respective metro area is far superior to those of lowly Houston.

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RE: "Air India One Step Closer To Houston"...?

Sun Jan 14, 2007 9:29 am

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 20):
Houston doesn't seem to be that important in Air India's wish list but since Pakistan flies there, there has to be something to Houston. With service to Newark, JFK, ORD and LAX the next US city for Air India should be Washington or Miami.

1)PK ended their IAH services-not because there wasn't enough traffic, but PK did such a piss-poor job in advertising, that not only did Pakistanis not know PK flew to IAH, but PK employees (and family) didn't know PK flew IAH.... spin 

2)Houston has a decent size Pakistani population (don't know about the Indian population though)

3)To a certain extent, the PK route was "politically" motivated...
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RE: "Air India One Step Closer To Houston"...?

Sun Jan 14, 2007 9:31 am

Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 25):
(probably A.Netters from the Chicago, D.C. and LA areas)

I live in DC; we have a lot of Indians, but IAH supposedly has more...says the Partnership.

SFO would be the most likely challenger, thanks to all those Silicon Valley techies.
 
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RE: "Air India One Step Closer To Houston"...?

Sun Jan 14, 2007 9:34 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 26):
1)PK ended their IAH services-not because there wasn't enough traffic

I hadn't heard they were officially out. I also heard that ther rights to operate in Europe were at risk of being yanked due to safety concerns...which would eliminate their stopover points.
 
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RE: "Air India One Step Closer To Houston"...?

Sun Jan 14, 2007 10:08 am

Quoting Toxtethogrady (Reply 28):

I hadn't heard they were officially out. I also heard that ther rights to operate in Europe were at risk of being yanked due to safety concerns...which would eliminate their stopover points.

They dont' fly to IAH right now, even though a few of the B747's which were in question are back online..not to mention the addition of the B773ER which they got last month (and the other B773ER which they will be getting next month)...

IAH was a money loser for PK..I hope they don't bring it back for a while...they need to start LAX services first...
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RE: "Air India One Step Closer To Houston"...?

Sun Jan 14, 2007 1:59 pm

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 19):
I don't think AI ever flew 10x weekly to ORD.

Yes they did.  Smile
 
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RE: "Air India One Step Closer To Houston"...?

Sun Jan 14, 2007 4:33 pm

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 13):
Did you mean 772LR for LAX and 773ER for EWR? Seems like LAX-BOM non-stop may be impossible with 773ER, and LAX-DEL may be difficult without significant payload penalty.

No mate if you read my post carefully i clearly mention that a 77W--[773ER] will be perfect for the markets of LAX and EWR and they should go double daily to the markets of JFK and ORD replacing the current 744s with 773ERs and further adding a non-stop flight to JFK and ORD from BOM and DEL respectively.

Hope this clears it out.

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 15):
Does that mean GE90s are better optimised for cruising?

Yes they are the most powerful ones offered in the 777 series.

Quoting CHI787ORD (Reply 17):
AI already flies 10x a week to ORD (now 7x due to fleet shortage)... Im assuming when AI joins Star, their frequencies will increase at ORD to something like 14x.

AI never flew 10x ever to ORD they started with 3x weekly via LHR and went 4x weekly via FRA when they restarted FRA operations.

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 20):
With service to Newark, JFK, ORD and LAX the next US city for Air India should be Washington or Miami.

Agree on IAD mate any reason why you mentioned MIA, also US destination possibilities are SFO and IAH.

Quoting ContinentalEWR (Reply 21):
To be truly competitive, AI needs to launch nonstop JFK-DEL or JFK-BOM flights or both, as soon as possible. The company should also look to update its tatty image and join an alliance.

That is absolutely correct.

Quoting ContinentalEWR (Reply 21):
Makes more sense for AI to join Skyteam than Star. AI has through service via CDG more than any other Star hub apart from LHR and can also benefit from multiple connections to the USA via AMS on Sky carrier NW.

Really?? they operate LHR-JFK [7x] and LHR-ORD [3x] in addition to the terminators and they operate FRA-LAX and FRA-ORD, and have only 7x weekly services to CDG so how does that make CDG a scissors hub in the future.

Quoting Manny (Reply 30):
Yes they did.

No mate they never operated 10x weekly to ORD and if you think they did can you provide a link or any proof.

Karan
 
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RE: "Air India One Step Closer To Houston"...?

Sun Jan 14, 2007 4:57 pm

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 31):
No mate they never operated 10x weekly to ORD and if you think they did can you provide a link or any proof.

I read it somewhere online sometime ago. I will google it, if i find the link i will post it. If not, its not the end of the world.  Smile
 
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RE: "Air India One Step Closer To Houston"...?

Sun Jan 14, 2007 5:38 pm

AI's intentions of starting either a one-stop or a non-stop India-Texas flight are quite clear - and a priority for AI - just below starting SFO. BNoth the Houston and Dallas metro areas have significant amounts of (very rich) diaspora - thus IAH and DFW have been competing for the AI flight. I won't be surprised if AI chooses IAH, which will make 9W go to DFW. Anywhich way, I'm very certain that both large Texas airports will see service from Indian carriers.
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RE: "Air India One Step Closer To Houston"...?

Sun Jan 14, 2007 6:43 pm

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 31):

AI never flew 10x ever to ORD they started with 3x weekly via LHR and went 4x weekly via FRA when they restarted FRA operations.

Not quite correct.

AI started 2x weekly ORD service in 1996 via FRA. They increased that to 3x weekly in 1997. They moved the stop from FRA to LHR in 1998, then for a while operated 3x weekly via each LHR and FRA until 1999 when FRA was discontinued. When FRA was reintroduced as a destination in December 2002, it was initially operated as a terminator and then FRA-ORD was reintrouduced in December 2003. The 4th weekly FRA-ORD flight was then added in March 2005.

At no point has ORD service ever exceeded daily.
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RE: "Air India One Step Closer To Houston"...?

Sun Jan 14, 2007 11:50 pm

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 22):
AI to IAH is a matter of when not if. If you guys think Houston lacks the O&D then I suggest you take a stroll through the Texas medical center.



Quoting Toxtethogrady (Reply 24):
A lot of Indians and Pakistanis are moving to Houston, and then there are the visitors to the Texas Medical Center. They will support the trips. Supposedly, Houston has the largest concentration of South Asians in the United States outside of New York City.



Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 25):
Uh oh.....I think you just opened up a tin of worms there pal. Someone will likely challenge you assertions (probably A.Netters from the Chicago, D.C. and LA areas) with all sorts of useless out-of-date MSA stats, ethnic breakdowns from various US cities stating that Indo-Pakistani numbers from their respective metro area is far superior to those of lowly Houston.

Thomas

Medical Centres, IT companies of every mid-to-large city in North America are filled with South Asians. There are over a billion of us...remember?  Wink

It's not a question of dumping on Houston but rather the argument used.
The oldest argument on a.net since the beginning of time...
"There is a huge population of xyz people in my city so the national airline of xyz should have service." That's just not how airlines do business I'm afraid.

IMHO IAH, SFO and even YVR will happen but only after AI beefs up their presence at ORD, JFK, LAX, YYZ.

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RE: "Air India One Step Closer To Houston"...?

Tue Jan 23, 2007 8:33 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 26):
2)Houston has a decent size Pakistani population (don't know about the Indian population though)

Step 1: Make a rough estimate of the size of the Pakistani population

Step 2: Multiply that number by a factor of 4

The number you get is the lower bound of the size of the Indian population.

Hope that helps  Smile
 
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RE: "Air India One Step Closer To Houston"...?

Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:10 pm

Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 36):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 26):
2)Houston has a decent size Pakistani population (don't know about the Indian population though)

Step 1: Make a rough estimate of the size of the Pakistani population

Step 2: Multiply that number by a factor of 4

The number you get is the lower bound of the size of the Indian population.

Hope that helps  Smile

That's a good way of "guesstimating" the local Indian population...... Smile

However, here in the Bay Area, I think its a factor of 6... Smile
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RE: "Air India One Step Closer To Houston"...?

Sun Feb 04, 2007 5:31 pm

And per the author Abraham Verghese, the best way to estimate the Indian population in a community is to count the number of Patels in the telephone directory and multiply by 100!
 
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RE: "Air India One Step Closer To Houston"...?

Mon Feb 05, 2007 4:33 am

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 31):
Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 15):
Does that mean GE90s are better optimised for cruising?

Yes they are the most powerful ones offered in the 777 series.

Sure, but that has nothing to do with the situation in question.

Basically... the Trent892-17s that DL (currently) ops are significantly lighter than the GE90-94B1s* that CO employs; but when juxtaposed against their SFC, their performance is such that they are optimized for slightly shorter cruise lengths than their GE-equipped counterparts.




* yes, I'm aware that CO's website still lists them as -90Bs; and yes that info is obsolete
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