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737-200 Crash Lands - No Injuries

Sat Jan 13, 2007 5:15 pm

A 737 cargo aircraft from Kuala Lumpur crash-landed at Kuching International Airport here early Saturday, causing the airport runway to be closed for six hours

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp...3/nation/20070113110057&sec=nation
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RE: 737-200 Crash Lands - No Injuries

Sat Jan 13, 2007 5:52 pm

Likely to be one of these two old girls. A search of the operator's fleet said average fleet age is 35 years


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I am still trying to tarce the origins of these two planes, but likely come from these operators. I would imagine she will be a write off


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RE: 737-200 Crash Lands - No Injuries

Sat Jan 13, 2007 6:03 pm

I found 3 737-200's listed for the pricipla operator RPX

http://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-b737-20943.htm
http://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-b737-20256.htm
as above

plus
http://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-b737-20944.htm

It turns out that RPX is yet another Indonesian operator although their website talks of on 2 aircraft
http://www.rpxholding.com/about.php
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RE: 737-200 Crash Lands - No Injuries

Sat Jan 13, 2007 6:06 pm

Quoting Jetfuel (Reply 2):
I found 3 737-200's listed for the pricipla operator RPX

These are pretty old birds! PK-RPH has had a rather long list of operators.

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RE: 737-200 Crash Lands - No Injuries

Sat Jan 13, 2007 8:31 pm

It is confirmed to be PK-RPX.

A local spotter took some pictures a few hours after the accident. You can see them here: http://www.malaysianwings.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=4638
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RE: 737-200 Crash Lands - No Injuries

Sat Jan 13, 2007 8:48 pm

Quoting Paparadzi (Reply 4):
It is confirmed to be PK-RPX

Thankyou for that. So its a 1969 build aircraft originally with Lufthansa


Quick link to a couple of the photos of her today after the accident

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v504/del332/RPX1359.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v504/del332/RPX1363.jpg

Confirmed, another Indonesian 737 to add to the write off list
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RE: 737-200 Crash Lands - No Injuries

Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:20 pm

Let me guess, the standard of maintenance is reflected by its cared for outward appearance?  Wink

I´ve never seen a dirtier plane in service.

According to aviation-safety-net database this is the 102nd 737-200 lost.
 
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RE: 737-200 Crash Lands - No Injuries

Sun Jan 14, 2007 12:37 am

Aftermath photo is in the database.


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RE: 737-200 Crash Lands - No Injuries

Sun Jan 14, 2007 12:59 am

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RE: 737-200 Crash Lands - No Injuries

Sun Jan 14, 2007 4:56 am

Quoting NA (Reply 6):
According to aviation-safety-net database this is the 102nd 737-200 lost.

About 10 737 (all series) losses happened while being under Indonesian registration up to now. This is worse the statistics of Nigeria, as for that country i was able to figure out 6 737 losses.
 
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RE: 737-200 Crash Lands - No Injuries

Sun Jan 14, 2007 5:27 am

Just goes to show what tough old birds the 737's are though!
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RE: 737-200 Crash Lands - No Injuries

Sun Jan 14, 2007 6:12 am

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 10):
Just goes to show what tough old birds the 737's are though!

What are you referring to, the apalling loss rate of the 732, almost 10% of the production?  Wink
 
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RE: 737-200 Crash Lands - No Injuries

Sun Jan 14, 2007 6:16 am

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 10):
Just goes to show what tough old birds the 737's are though!

Except when being flown by people that DONT HAVE have proper flight training and fly in environments where pilots have to guess where to land and take off.....

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RE: 737-200 Crash Lands - No Injuries

Sun Jan 14, 2007 7:18 am

I believe this makes the magic 100th 732 to be written off. Not exactly a record to be envied, but it's something I guess. I read in a thread a few months ago from someone that they were expecting the 100th loss soon. If this a/c is written off, she will receive the dubious honor.
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RE: 737-200 Crash Lands - No Injuries

Sun Jan 14, 2007 7:41 am

Quoting NA (Reply 11):

Here we go again....

NA you must look at the big picture, the causes and circumstances around the accidents.

it's not just the aircraft, there is a whole lot more to take into consideration.
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RE: 737-200 Crash Lands - No Injuries

Sun Jan 14, 2007 8:08 am

fortunately doesn't look to bad
 
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RE: 737-200 Crash Lands - No Injuries

Sun Jan 14, 2007 8:43 am

Its interesting how the engines are sheared off. Never seen a engine sheared off so clean, I know that is how it is designed,just never seen it.

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RE: 737-200 Crash Lands - No Injuries

Sun Jan 14, 2007 9:12 am

What was the reason for the "crash" landing? Was it an emergency or what?
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RE: 737-200 Crash Lands - No Injuries

Sun Jan 14, 2007 10:51 am

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 10):
Just goes to show what tough old birds the 737's are though!

Yeah, all crash landings should be this neat and clean. Engines and gear sheered off, slides to a stop, and no fire.

Quoting NA (Reply 11):
What are you referring to, the appalling loss rate of the 732, almost 10% of the production?  

Well, there are a lot of variables to consider...

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 12):
Except when being flown by people that DONT HAVE have proper flight training and fly in environments where pilots have to guess where to land and take off.....

Not mention what kind of maintenance do these A/C in certain 3rd world countries get? And what type of weather services and weather radar, glideslope, windshear warning etc. services are offered by these airports? And how many other A/C types are still operating after 35 years and have this many hours on them? Also, these A/C do many more cycles than larger planes.

Interesting trivia: I believe at one point many years ago, MD finally had to officially announce re: the DC-3: "We are no longer responsible for any DC-3's/Dakota's still flying..." Is that correct?
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RE: 737-200 Crash Lands - No Injuries

Sun Jan 14, 2007 11:08 am

Quoting NA (Reply 11):
What are you referring to, the apalling loss rate of the 732, almost 10% of the production?

I was referring to the fact that it really didn't wheels to land.

As has been mentioned, this didn't die because the a/c is rubbish from new. It, and many other old a/c crashed because they last long nough to end up being flown by some pretty shonky operations, can you imagine QF flying a crate in that state?
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RE: 737-200 Crash Lands - No Injuries

Sun Jan 14, 2007 11:35 am

Quoting Diesel1 (Reply 14):
it's not just the aircraft, there is a whole lot more to take into consideration.

Exactly. Many of the 732s now find themselves with companies that really have no business operating any airplane. Its a good airframe--not as good as the modern 737 obviously--but still very safe when properly maintained and flown.
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RE: 737-200 Crash Lands - No Injuries

Sun Jan 14, 2007 3:59 pm

Quoting Dw747400 (Reply 20):
Exactly. Many of the 732s now find themselves with companies that really have no business operating any airplane. Its a good airframe--not as good as the modern 737 obviously--but still very safe when properly maintained and flown.

No business even looking at aircraft, IMO.
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RE: 737-200 Crash Lands - No Injuries

Sun Jan 14, 2007 8:33 pm

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 12):
Except when being flown by people that DONT HAVE have proper flight training and fly in environments where pilots have to guess where to land and take off.....



Quoting SSTsomeday (Reply 18):
Not mention what kind of maintenance do these A/C in certain 3rd world countries get? And what type of weather services and weather radar, glideslope, windshear warning etc. services are offered by these airports? And how many other A/C types are still operating after 35 years and have this many hours on them? Also, these A/C do many more cycles than larger planes.

I know people who fly that aircraft, one I know well, and he doesn't mess around, nor does he allow his crew to mess around when he's flying... and he has proper flight training... and KCH isn't exactly an outpost or a dirt strip either ! "3rd world operators" fly 732/3/4, 744, 777s, A332/333 out of the airport...

As for 3rd world operators skidding off at KCH... does one mean when SQ skidded off one of it's A310s some years ago SQ is also a 3rd world operator? *puzzled*

The accident happened in Malaysia... with relatively good ATCS, nice weather service, calibrated Navaids, and good emergency equipment (KCH is anyways). Normally there's full ILS, but not on that day. No fire happened, so one can safely guess the fire trucks were there muy pronto!

The aircraft maintenance however, needs a look into. And the question remains whether the aircraft and/or the crew were prepared for the approach or not.

Quoting Boeing767mech (Reply 16):
Its interesting how the engines are sheared off. Never seen a engine sheared off so clean, I know that is how it is designed,just never seen it.

Current info indicates that it was a localizer approach only, glideslope unserviceable. The airport is known to cause unstable approaches if not cautious... especially when low clouds are in of various sorts. Waiting info regarding heavy rains (need confirmation).

A/C reported landed short, then went on to the runway before veering to the right of the runway where the right engine and main landing gear detached (and rested on the grass). Aircraft ended facing almost 180degs the approach direction.
Left engine detached and remained under fuselage when it came to rest, damaging left inboad flaps (Well, detaching it almost). Right outboard flaps badly damaged due to strain of scraping the grass backwards.

Seen the pics prior to removal but not allowed for dissemmination pending accident investigation... unfortunately...

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RE: 737-200 Crash Lands - No Injuries

Mon Jan 15, 2007 10:35 pm

Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 22):
Current info indicates that it was a localizer approach only, glideslope unserviceable.

I wonder if the GS is really out this time. Sometimes KCH ATC will gives you LOC only approach even though the GS is working fine because........ the approach light is out! Currently there is no approach light into KCH as the lights has been removed due to runway extension works.

Also, KCH is well known among the locals for early morning fog and low clouds, and heavy thunderstorm in the afternoon. High surrounding terrain necessitates a tricky go-around procedures as well. Runway length is just over 8000 ft and shouldn't be a problem for B737s and A320s.
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RE: 737-200 Crash Lands - No Injuries

Tue Jan 16, 2007 2:59 am

Quoting SSTsomeday (Reply 18):
And how many other A/C types are still operating after 35 years and have this many hours on them?

That can pretty much be summed up in one word : "DC9"

There are other old aircraft types still flying - DC3's, 707s, DC8s, etc.

But other than the original 737s, the DC9 is pretty much the sole type from that era that still flies regular commercial service in large numbers.

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RE: 737-200 Crash Lands - No Injuries

Tue Jan 16, 2007 3:56 am

Quoting SSTsomeday (Reply 18):
Not mention what kind of maintenance do these A/C in certain 3rd world countries get?

It obviously hasen't been washed in a while. I wounder what else has been neglected on that plane?
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RE: 737-200 Crash Lands - No Injuries

Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:59 am

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