CYatUK
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BA CityFlyer - What About GB Airways?

Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:05 pm

FI reports that BA will resurrect the name CityFlyer for its London City based services that will remain after BA Connect is sold.

In this case, what will happen to the GB Airways services operating under the BA Connect brand?

Are these moving back to "normal" BA service?

[Edited 2007-01-13 14:07:18]
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RE: BA CityFlyer - What About GB Airways?

Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:16 pm

Quoting CYatUK (Thread starter):
Are these moving back to "normal" BA service?

I hope so though GB Airways has even further cut the frills out of LGW. I have flown TUN-LGW-TUN (2h50 flights) with only a small cold sandwich, no newspapers or flight entertainment.

Does anyone know what services would be launched out of LCY and EDI as all Avros will be based at EDI?
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RE: BA CityFlyer - What About GB Airways?

Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:24 pm

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 1):
as all Avros will be based at EDI?

Not all of them. The majority of them will op from LCY, but nightstop at Euro destinations I believe.
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RE: BA CityFlyer - What About GB Airways?

Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:04 pm

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 1):
has even further cut the frills out of LGW

I think services out of MAN are even worse when it comes to service as you have to purchase both food and drinks.
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RE: BA CityFlyer - What About GB Airways?

Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:09 pm

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 1):
Does anyone know what services would be launched out of LCY and EDI as all Avros will be based at EDI?

Why have they decided to keep BA services from EDI? How did they decide which airport?

Will the titles on the aircraft change back to 'British Airways' instead of BA Connect?
 
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RE: BA CityFlyer - What About GB Airways?

Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:25 pm

Quoting CYatUK (Reply 3):
think services out of MAN are even worse when it comes to service as you have to purchase both food and drinks

That would be because they are BA Connect  Yeah sure

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 4):
Why have they decided to keep BA services from EDI? How did they decide which airport?

Will the titles on the aircraft change back to 'British Airways' instead of BA Connect?

The a/c are at EDIand as Gkirk mentioned, will stay at Euro overnight, I assume simply because there isnt room to base them at LCY, and maybe a few new routes will be served out of EDI, AFAIK, but I doubt they will happen

As for the titles, these will go back to British Airways unless the Cityflyer brand is re adopted, in which case expect some sort of slogan and branding on these a/c.

The LCY runs will all be Avro/RJs post takeover from flyBe, all the other fleet is part of the deal

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 1):
Does anyone know what services would be launched out of LCY and EDI as all Avros will be based at EDI?

LCY services will be resumed as usual, but expect some new routes, new routes at EDI seem unlikely, but it wouldnt surprise me if these are incredibly minimal.

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 2):
Not all of them. The majority of them will op from LCY, but nightstop at Euro destinations I believe

I hadnt heard this, but I also assume this will happen.
 
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RE: BA CityFlyer - What About GB Airways?

Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:29 pm

Quoting BA787 (Reply 5):
will stay at Euro overnight

Could you explain the 'Euro' part please?

Quoting BA787 (Reply 5):
AFAIK

What does this mean? Do not mean to sound ignorant....

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RE: BA CityFlyer - What About GB Airways?

Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:31 pm

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 6):
Could you explain the 'Euro' part please

He means that the aircraft will night stop at destinations in Europe instead of returning to their base. The first flight of the aircraft will be from Europe back to LCY.
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RE: BA CityFlyer - What About GB Airways?

Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:35 pm

Quoting BMED (Reply 7):
He means that the aircraft will night stop at destinations in Europe instead of returning to their base. The first flight of the aircraft will be from Europe back to LCY.

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RE: BA CityFlyer - What About GB Airways?

Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:41 pm

As mentioned, the crew and aircraft will be EDI based with the Avros nightstopping at various European outstations. BA CityFlyer head office will be at the current BA Connect/cBA location at Didsbury, Manchester. The flights will be branded as British Airways, offering the Club Europe and Euro Traveller cabins, or Domestic depending on the route. As far as I'm aware there will not be any additional routes from EDI.

The question regarding GB Airways' regional services is a very good one - I can't imagine they will retain the BA Connect brand for long after the sale to flybe. There has been a lot of speculation regarding changes to GB's position as a BA franchise - both the regional and LGW/LHR operations. Perhaps there are some larger changes on the way.
 
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RE: BA CityFlyer - What About GB Airways?

Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:46 pm

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 4):
Why have they decided to keep BA services from EDI? How did they decide which airport?

It is clear that BA need a base for their Avro RJ100 fleet that will continue to operate out of LCY. This is not just for routine maintenance but for parking aircraft (recognising the very limited ramp space at LCY) particularly at weekends when services from LCY are very limited.

If you look at the various airline's (including BA) timetables for LCY you will see that in the early morning a significant majority are inbound. This probably partially reflects the time zones (with early morning LCY departures to continental Europe not arriving at airports that are remote from the local financial centre until mid morning). The early morning arrivals at LCY with few balancing departures further restricts night stopping.

Conversely the majority of evening to late evening movements are departures.

In terms of the number of services operated, EDI is BA's densest route from LCY. For example on Monday's there are departures on the LCY-EDI route at 0840 (BA8702), 1040 (BA8704), 1500 (BA8716), 1600 (BA8706), 1800 (BA8708), 1920 (BA8714) and 2015 (BA8710). These seven flights compare with three on BA's second most dense LCY route, LCY-FRA. (Departures for FRA are one in the morning, one in the early afternoon and one in the evening (that overnights in FRA).)

Regardless of its political location EDI is therefore the most appropriate base for BA's RJ100 fleet. It also happens to be a British airport.

Clearly BA could operate all its current LCY services with around eight aircraft. It therefore seems likely that we will see more services from LCY when the summer timetable starts. Whether these will be an expansion of existing services (like BA8716 and BA8714 that are relatively recent additions to the EDI services) or new destinations . . .

So the ansewer to the question as to why they are keeping their EDI services is demand and current frequency. The answer as to why they are going to base the aircraft at EDI is that services from LCY (which has limited parking and no facility for routine maintenance) to EDI are more than twice as dense as any other BA route from LCY.

Another yet unanswered question is what will BA do with its fleet of RJ100s over the weekend when the number of LCY flights is very low.
 
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RE: BA CityFlyer - What About GB Airways?

Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:52 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 10):

All you say is very true, but the a/c, as someone pointed out, will not all be ERDI based, some will be overnight at Euro airports Big grin
 
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RE: BA CityFlyer - What About GB Airways?

Sun Jan 14, 2007 12:54 am

Quoting BA787 (Reply 11):
All you say is very true, but the a/c, as someone pointed out, will not all be ERDI based, some will be overnight at Euro airports

According to the BA press release the BA Avro RJ100 Fleet will operate out of LCY from the start of the summer timetable but will, according to that press release, be based at EDI.

By the way some aircraft belonging to the BA Main Fleet Heathrow and the BA EuroGatwick Fleet overnight away from their base. So, for example, an A319 from both the LHR and LGW fleets overnights at MAN.
 
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RE: BA CityFlyer - What About GB Airways?

Sun Jan 14, 2007 3:01 am

Quoting VV701 (Reply 10):
Another yet unanswered question is what will BA do with its fleet of RJ100s over the weekend when the number of LCY flights is very low.

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RE: BA CityFlyer - What About GB Airways?

Sun Jan 14, 2007 3:55 am

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 4):
Why have they decided to keep BA services from EDI? How did they decide which airport?

In addition to VV701's post, all existing BA connect flights at LCY are operated by EDI based crew - no point in moving them to a different airport
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