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Is Avianca Downgrading BOG-CCS-BOG?

Sun Jan 14, 2007 9:56 am

I just checked some dates for a CCS-BOG run and noticed that Avianca has on the most days no 767 on the CCS-BOG runs, just the MD-83 and 757... would be a downgrading of the route.

can not understand the move as Avianca is moving a lot of cargo on the 767 flights specially inbound CCS.... or is it a sight that they finally will restart all-cargo aircraft operations.... ? heard this rumor locally here in CCS using a wet-leased aircraft....

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RE: Is Avianca Downgrading BOG-CCS-BOG?

Sun Jan 14, 2007 10:05 am

The concept of Avinca downgrading Caracas from a 767 to a 757 is ridiculous. Who needs a 767 on a 90 minute flight. What AV really needs to do is up gauge the BAQ to Miami flight. An MD-83 with no AA on the route and no more Aero Condor is really sticking it to the passengers. BAQ needs a bigger airplane, a 757 would do nicely.
 
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RE: Is Avianca Downgrading BOG-CCS-BOG?

Sun Jan 14, 2007 10:10 am

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 1):
Who needs a 767 on a 90 minute flight.

the cargo that has to be moved..... need it.


I am asking me for what other shorter route they will use the free 767 ? As I understand the 767 that was used is mostly the same aircraft that runs BOG-JFK-BOG and the time-frame for the BOG-CCS-BOG run is perfect ...
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RE: Is Avianca Downgrading BOG-CCS-BOG?

Sun Jan 14, 2007 10:35 am

Quoting Avianca (Thread starter):
can not understand the move as Avianca is moving a lot of cargo on the 767 flights specially inbound CCS

Maybe AV doesn't have a 767 to spare (in maintenance) and that is why they send the 757 instead. But what you say is totally true. They have sent the 767's to CCS because good cargo move and also nice loads.
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RE: Is Avianca Downgrading BOG-CCS-BOG?

Sun Jan 14, 2007 1:28 pm

Quoting Erikgnoha (Reply 3):
They have sent the 767's to CCS because good cargo

yes the inbound flights were they used the 767 into CCS were always full with cargo, lot of cargo from Colombia but also a lot of cargo (from all over america) transiting in BOG.
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RE: Is Avianca Downgrading BOG-CCS-BOG?

Sun Jan 14, 2007 11:45 pm

VLN has been upgraded to MD80. It used to be F100. I guess this is just a maintenance issue. The 767 they send to CCS would else sit idle at BOG so I can't understand why they would stop sending it.

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RE: Is Avianca Downgrading BOG-CCS-BOG?

Mon Jan 15, 2007 1:43 am

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 5):
VLN has been upgraded to MD80. It used to be F100. I guess this is just a maintenance issue.

or the flights are doing very well.....

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 5):
The 767 they send to CCS would else sit idle at BOG so I can't understand why they would stop sending it.

maybe they are sending it to PTY ? Looks like I have to check a little bit more about it, as I can not understand that AV will take away the 767 on mostly of the days on the CCS run.
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RE: Is Avianca Downgrading BOG-CCS-BOG?

Mon Jan 15, 2007 3:24 am

Quoting Avianca (Thread starter):
can not understand the move as Avianca is moving a lot of cargo on the 767 flights specially inbound CCS.... or is it a sight that they finally will restart all-cargo aircraft operations.... ?

I would think maintenance is the issue. Now that we are approaching a slow season (Ferbruary, most of March and April) they might be in line for a new interior fit, or the installation of the new IFE.

So if it arrives from JFK and doesn´t go to CCS and stays in BOG for 10 hours, some of this could be done.

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 1):
Who needs a 767 on a 90 minute flight. What AV really needs to do is up gauge the BAQ to Miami flight. An MD-83 with no AA on the route and no more Aero Condor is really sticking it to the passengers. BAQ needs a bigger airplane, a 757 would do nicely.

AV needs a 767 on a 90 minute flight, as it is full of cargo and the loads are good. We all know BAQ needs a bigger plane but there are better places where the resources can be used. Plus, at the second AA or P5 enter the market (im just naming copetitors who could fly the route, as there are not even romours aobut it), AV would have to downgrade to MD again.

Quoting Avianca (Reply 6):
maybe they are sending it to PTY ?

Indeed, that could be another possiblity. PTY also sees strong loads, though these are extremely seasonal. In solwer months the two daily MDs are fine.

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 5):
VLN has been upgraded to MD80. It used to be F100

If it´s b/c of the myaviation.net pic, that was just a sub. VLN is still F100, the only upgrade is has gotten is a 5th weekly frequency. I checked avianca.com for January, March and May, and none show MD-83.
 
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RE: Is Avianca Downgrading BOG-CCS-BOG?

Mon Jan 15, 2007 3:44 am

I have checked avianca.com and i have come to the conclusion that CCS is a turnaround destination. Whenever an aircraft has a long ground.time in BOG it is sent to CCS.

Some days, CCS sees two 757s, the 763 and an MD-83. Other days it´s the normal two MDs, one 757 and the 763. Other days it gets three MD-83s and a 757, days in which it gets a 762 instead of an MD...and so on.

So i think AV is flyig quite a bunch of seats on the route and uses the 763 almost every day, but there are times in which the plane needs maintenance, so a 762 or a 757 is used.

Nothing to worry about. I think you´ll keep seeing the 763 in CCS until it´s retired.

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